So far, I think its pointing towards her and Jiang Cheng's mini love plot. Well Jiang Cheng's unrequited love…
Hahaha yes! ;) I actually look forward to how the relationship between JC and her will go :D We never got to see JC take an interest in anyone because of his 'high standards' in the novel XDD But Goodnight to you too! :D
Anyone want to answer, How does Jiang Cheng feel about Wuxian...I mean as family? Like is he sincere.Because,…
Jiang Cheng has always grown up with an inferiority complex due to his misunderstanding that his father doted more on Wuxian. In response, his elevated desire for attention and care from the ones he loves, reveals his deep-seated desperation which come through the surface when the situation pushes him into a corner. Much like a immature child that grew up with conflicting emotions with dysfunctional parents, it's very easy to develop a victim mentality, become possessive and feel entitled to all the happiness he 'should' deserve; the lack of empathy for anything else otherwise, distances him from any sufferings in the rest of the world.
For example, when WWX struggles to protect the weak during the Wen clan oppression, JC is adamant in steering clear of anything that may harm his home/Yunmeng clan. From the very start when he leaves Yunmeng to study at Gusu, he keeps worrying about how WWX's actions will affect Yunmeng's reputation.
The irony is that he feels inadequate and unable to live up the motto that Yunmeng clan teaches; be free and true to your heart and guide your actions accordingly - the very model that young WWX impersonates. JC unknowingly restrains himself by living in WWC's shadow, as the complete opposite to everything he can only ever hope to achieve, and this only serves to deepen JC's suspicions that WWX is more deserving of his father's favour and his position of the heir. It doesn't help that his beloved mother, the only person who dares to protest on his behalf to his father and vocalises all the visceral feelings of frustration towards the unfairness he rationally keeps suppressed within his heart, bluntly expresses her intolerance of his weaknesses by constantly comparing him to WWX.
The problem here is that, he cares for WWX as a brother just as much as he loves the rest of his family.
After being thoroughly humiliated, WWX promises him that no matter what happens, he will be his brother, his second-hand man just like how it was between their fathers. Now remember his childhood experiences mentioned above, exposes his vulnerability to resort to extreme perceptions and actions than people with healthy relationships would behave - JC is not just comforted by the fact that their promise adds on to what little support system he has, but has engraved into his mind, the perception WWX as a constant in his life forever, an unconditional anchor or entity that will provide him with the willpower to push on in life, so long as WWX is there for him. Just like all of us, we all need someone like that in our lives to trust ourselves with, whether it be our family or someone else. Here, it is embedded so intrinsically into his sense of identity. And precisely because JC has entrusted himself to WWX by completely believing in that promise, he has inadvertently permitted WWX to have a hold on JC's vulnerable side.
THAT IS WHY, in accumulation to the deaths of his family WWX has accidentally caused, (it's not really his fault though I think) JC twists events that allows him to immediately project blame, internalised anger and unendurable pain, onto WWX. Then JC falls deeper into the victim mentality that gives him the sense of betrayal that would be so great, he can only kill WWX to get past the grief rather than be beholden to a broken piece of himself and become weak.
Although at first it is easy to side with JC and blame WWX for not holding to his word, especially when he knows how important he is to JC, and not being responsible with that trust JC has given him by blatantly doing whatever WWX wants to do to fulfil his own moral needs, including potentially dragging his family into the war. BUT that was narrow-minded of me to think that way. I eventually came to the conclusion that while it is okay to entrust yourself and your happiness to someone important in your life, you should learn to be responsible and aware of it yourself - WWX's mother teaches that "we should try to remember what others did for us, not what we did for others, in order to have a free and happy heart". This is sort of similar to the teachings of Yumeng clan I personally think.
JC is the opposite, he doesn't pay attention to any potential sufferings WWX might have gone through and how that has forced him onto the demonic path in order to have the power to protect the innocent and weak. JC only cares about how much he had to suffer and "righteously" blames WWX for breaking his promise for causing all that, when JC really should be placing WWX's happiness above any consideration for himself- that's the right thing to do as family, much like how their sister doesn't blame and only wished WWX to step off the wrong path even in her dying breath.
Here JC is emotionally blackmailing WWX, whether JC knows it or not.
If that promise, no matter how important it is to you, is preventing someone else, especially someone you care about, from following their heart and doing the right thing, then you should learn to let go of that promise.
Also glaring parallels can be drawn between the choices JC and WWX makes and how that moulds their character and guides them into the person they grew up to be, despite both suffering from loss. WWX chooses to be magnanimous, kind and courageous in being shown unconditional love from his adopted family after knowing life as a loveless, homeless orphan. He accepts them as his source of strength and moral anchor, enabling him to stand up for the weak just much as a reflection of standing up for himself in his most vulnerable moments from his past.
Anyone want to answer, How does Jiang Cheng feel about Wuxian...I mean as family? Like is he sincere.Because,…
This is just what I think and I also put this reply up ahead on the comments, by itself to start a thread because it's interesting to see how others also see this, whether JC is more guilty than WWX or vice versa. :) Ultimately I agree with you, in how Ah Xian is more tragic than Ah Cheng :(
This is in reply to @Tkcjt in the relationship between JiangCheng and WeiWuxian "How does Jiang Cheng feel about…
Jiang Cheng has always grown up with an inferiority complex due to his misunderstanding that his father doted more on Wuxian. In response, his elevated desire for attention and care from the ones he loves, reveals his deep-seated desperation which come through the surface when the situation pushes him into a corner. Much like a immature child that grew up with conflicting emotions with dysfunctional parents, it's very easy to develop a victim mentality, become possessive and feel entitled to all the happiness he 'should' deserve; the lack of empathy for anything else otherwise, distances him from any sufferings in the rest of the world.
For example, when WWX struggles to protect the weak during the Wen clan oppression, JC is adamant in steering clear of anything that may harm his home/Yunmeng clan. From the very start when he leaves Yunmeng to study at Gusu, he keeps worrying about how WWX's actions will affect Yunmeng's reputation.
The irony is that he feels inadequate and unable to live up the motto that Yunmeng clan teaches; be free and true to your heart and guide your actions accordingly - the very model that young WWX impersonates. JC unknowingly restrains himself by living in WWC's shadow, as the complete opposite to everything he can only ever hope to achieve, and this only serves to deepen JC's suspicions that WWX is more deserving of his father's favour and his position of the heir. It doesn't help that his beloved mother, the only person who dares to protest on his behalf to his father and vocalises all the visceral feelings of frustration towards the unfairness he rationally keeps suppressed within his heart, bluntly expresses her intolerance of his weaknesses by constantly comparing him to WWX.
The problem here is that, he cares for WWX as a brother just as much as he loves the rest of his family.
After being thoroughly humiliated, WWX promises him that no matter what happens, he will be his brother, his second-hand man just like how it was between their fathers. Now remember his childhood experiences mentioned above, exposes his vulnerability to resort to extreme perceptions and actions than people with healthy relationships would behave - JC is not just comforted by the fact that their promise adds on to what little support system he has, but has engraved into his mind, the perception WWX as a constant in his life forever, an unconditional anchor or entity that will provide him with the willpower to push on in life, so long as WWX is there for him. Just like all of us, we all need someone like that in our lives to trust ourselves with, whether it be our family or someone else. Here, it is embedded so intrinsically into his sense of identity. And precisely because JC has entrusted himself to WWX by completely believing in that promise, he has inadvertently permitted WWX to have a hold on JC's vulnerable side.
THAT IS WHY, in accumulation to the deaths of his family WWX has accidentally caused, (it's not really his fault though I think) JC twists events that allows him to immediately project blame, internalised anger and unendurable pain, onto WWX. Then JC falls deeper into the victim mentality that gives him the sense of betrayal that would be so great, he can only kill WWX to get past the grief rather than be beholden to a broken piece of himself and become weak.
Although at first it is easy to side with JC and blame WWX for not holding to his word, especially when he knows how important he is to JC, and not being responsible with that trust JC has given him by blatantly doing whatever WWX wants to do to fulfil his own moral needs, including potentially dragging his family into the war. BUT that was narrow-minded of me to think that way. I eventually came to the conclusion that while it is okay to entrust yourself and your happiness to someone important in your life, you should learn to be responsible and aware of it yourself - WWX's mother teaches that "we should try to remember what others did for us, not what we did for others, in order to have a free and happy heart". This is sort of similar to the teachings of Yumeng clan I personally think.
JC is the opposite, he doesn't pay attention to any potential sufferings WWX might have gone through and how that has forced him onto the demonic path in order to have the power to protect the innocent and weak. JC only cares about how much he had to suffer and "righteously" blames WWX for breaking his promise for causing all that, when JC really should be placing WWX's happiness above any consideration for himself- that's the right thing to do as family, much like how their sister doesn't blame and only wished WWX to step off the wrong path even in her dying breath.
Here JC is emotionally blackmailing WWX, whether JC knows it or not.
If that promise, no matter how important it is to you, is preventing someone else, especially someone you care about, from following their heart and doing the right thing, then you should learn to let go of that promise.
Also glaring parallels can be drawn between the choices JC and WWX makes and how that moulds their character and guides them into the person they grew up to be, despite both suffering from loss. WWX chooses to be magnanimous, kind and courageous in being shown unconditional love from his adopted family after knowing life as a loveless, homeless orphan. He accepts them as his source of strength and moral anchor, enabling him to stand up for the weak just much as a reflection of standing up for himself in his most vulnerable moments from his past.
This is in reply to @Tkcjt in the relationship between JiangCheng and WeiWuxian "How does Jiang Cheng feel about Wuxian", "if he really loved his brother, would he have killed him based on a misunderstanding?".
But I really want to get a discussion going on this topic and am excited to see how the rest of you guys see this relationship or ANY OTHER character relationships :DDDD Can't really do this as a review, more like a thread. YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS COMMENT OF COURSE. :) Sorry if I have offended anyone with what I have written.
(And also because I couldn't stop thinking about and have been so bothered by Jiang Cheng, especially whether it was right or not for him to feel the way he feels. I just wanted to vent it out and get it off my chest. XD)
THIS IS JUST FOR THOSE WHO KNOWS HOW THE STORY ENDS ;) SPOILERS UNDERNEATH ;)
GUYS this is to the point where I still can't believe how they got this through censorship! :O It's a straight up romance *smacks forehead* and they don't even try to be vague about the gayness here *gapes*. It's honestly reckless with how gay it's portrayed when they're up against such a scary government that tries to oppress homosexuality in the media (If anyone is interested, there is literally an explicit PAGE OF GAY PORN shown in a scene. For real, I'm not kidding. 0_0 ). I really don't know how this got through when you just have to look at how careful the drama Zhen hun or Guardian was about hinting, if any, potential romance. Even then it was still taken down after airing and revised for being "against regulations". BUT GOSH I'M GUSHING WITH HAPPINESS, (and I actually like how the romance is shown here than in the novel because it's obvious from the start that WX fancies LZ).
As @Itinerant mentioned below here before, I also agree that the character casting for nearly all of the main characters exceeded my expectations as well. The acting is spot on!:D I thought because this is a BL-based drama, it might be a cheap looking drama, but I was astonished by the quality here!
Sort-of-spoilers: The drama adds in new romantic scenes between WWX and LZ that aren't from the novel... and loads of sexual tension throughout a few scenes... ;)
In one of the last chapters from the novel, WWX tells LZ to call him "gege" or else he won't kiss him and "do much more", and even though we weren't able to see LZ call him that because they got interrupted by a kid screaming, in the drama we were treated to LZ calling him "Wei gege"... There's no doubt the team of scriptwriters or WHOEVER who involved in the script/directing process, is a big WWX-LZ fan who's thoroughly read through the novel. Heheheheh ;)
I'm up to the latest raw episode btw, ep14. The next few eps are going to be excruciating to go through >_<
The ED is called WangXian *wink wink* and is sung by both the WWX and LZ actors! If anyone is interested in another interpretation of the WangXian song after the previous two versions (one from the audio drama and the humming version from the donghua) *Wangxian official OST mv (engsub included): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKSQTDDv0A
Guys seriously you have to watch the background production video behind this drama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTGbDJ-nALg (NO SPOILERS) The clothing pieces are all handcrafted and the sets are too! :O They put so much effort into this production, and with that in mind, maybe you'll go into this drama with a greater level of appreciation. So please watch it, it's got english subtitles as well :P
For example, when WWX struggles to protect the weak during the Wen clan oppression, JC is adamant in steering clear of anything that may harm his home/Yunmeng clan. From the very start when he leaves Yunmeng to study at Gusu, he keeps worrying about how WWX's actions will affect Yunmeng's reputation.
The irony is that he feels inadequate and unable to live up the motto that Yunmeng clan teaches; be free and true to your heart and guide your actions accordingly - the very model that young WWX impersonates. JC unknowingly restrains himself by living in WWC's shadow, as the complete opposite to everything he can only ever hope to achieve, and this only serves to deepen JC's suspicions that WWX is more deserving of his father's favour and his position of the heir. It doesn't help that his beloved mother, the only person who dares to protest on his behalf to his father and vocalises all the visceral feelings of frustration towards the unfairness he rationally keeps suppressed within his heart, bluntly expresses her intolerance of his weaknesses by constantly comparing him to WWX.
The problem here is that, he cares for WWX as a brother just as much as he loves the rest of his family.
After being thoroughly humiliated, WWX promises him that no matter what happens, he will be his brother, his second-hand man just like how it was between their fathers. Now remember his childhood experiences mentioned above, exposes his vulnerability to resort to extreme perceptions and actions than people with healthy relationships would behave - JC is not just comforted by the fact that their promise adds on to what little support system he has, but has engraved into his mind, the perception WWX as a constant in his life forever, an unconditional anchor or entity that will provide him with the willpower to push on in life, so long as WWX is there for him. Just like all of us, we all need someone like that in our lives to trust ourselves with, whether it be our family or someone else. Here, it is embedded so intrinsically into his sense of identity. And precisely because JC has entrusted himself to WWX by completely believing in that promise, he has inadvertently permitted WWX to have a hold on JC's vulnerable side.
THAT IS WHY, in accumulation to the deaths of his family WWX has accidentally caused, (it's not really his fault though I think) JC twists events that allows him to immediately project blame, internalised anger and unendurable pain, onto WWX. Then JC falls deeper into the victim mentality that gives him the sense of betrayal that would be so great, he can only kill WWX to get past the grief rather than be beholden to a broken piece of himself and become weak.
Although at first it is easy to side with JC and blame WWX for not holding to his word, especially when he knows how important he is to JC, and not being responsible with that trust JC has given him by blatantly doing whatever WWX wants to do to fulfil his own moral needs, including potentially dragging his family into the war. BUT that was narrow-minded of me to think that way. I eventually came to the conclusion that while it is okay to entrust yourself and your happiness to someone important in your life, you should learn to be responsible and aware of it yourself - WWX's mother teaches that "we should try to remember what others did for us, not what we did for others, in order to have a free and happy heart". This is sort of similar to the teachings of Yumeng clan I personally think.
JC is the opposite, he doesn't pay attention to any potential sufferings WWX might have gone through and how that has forced him onto the demonic path in order to have the power to protect the innocent and weak. JC only cares about how much he had to suffer and "righteously" blames WWX for breaking his promise for causing all that, when JC really should be placing WWX's happiness above any consideration for himself- that's the right thing to do as family, much like how their sister doesn't blame and only wished WWX to step off the wrong path even in her dying breath.
Here JC is emotionally blackmailing WWX, whether JC knows it or not.
If that promise, no matter how important it is to you, is preventing someone else, especially someone you care about, from following their heart and doing the right thing, then you should learn to let go of that promise.
Also glaring parallels can be drawn between the choices JC and WWX makes and how that moulds their character and guides them into the person they grew up to be, despite both suffering from loss. WWX chooses to be magnanimous, kind and courageous in being shown unconditional love from his adopted family after knowing life as a loveless, homeless orphan. He accepts them as his source of strength and moral anchor, enabling him to stand up for the weak just much as a reflection of standing up for himself in his most vulnerable moments from his past.
For example, when WWX struggles to protect the weak during the Wen clan oppression, JC is adamant in steering clear of anything that may harm his home/Yunmeng clan. From the very start when he leaves Yunmeng to study at Gusu, he keeps worrying about how WWX's actions will affect Yunmeng's reputation.
The irony is that he feels inadequate and unable to live up the motto that Yunmeng clan teaches; be free and true to your heart and guide your actions accordingly - the very model that young WWX impersonates. JC unknowingly restrains himself by living in WWC's shadow, as the complete opposite to everything he can only ever hope to achieve, and this only serves to deepen JC's suspicions that WWX is more deserving of his father's favour and his position of the heir. It doesn't help that his beloved mother, the only person who dares to protest on his behalf to his father and vocalises all the visceral feelings of frustration towards the unfairness he rationally keeps suppressed within his heart, bluntly expresses her intolerance of his weaknesses by constantly comparing him to WWX.
The problem here is that, he cares for WWX as a brother just as much as he loves the rest of his family.
After being thoroughly humiliated, WWX promises him that no matter what happens, he will be his brother, his second-hand man just like how it was between their fathers. Now remember his childhood experiences mentioned above, exposes his vulnerability to resort to extreme perceptions and actions than people with healthy relationships would behave - JC is not just comforted by the fact that their promise adds on to what little support system he has, but has engraved into his mind, the perception WWX as a constant in his life forever, an unconditional anchor or entity that will provide him with the willpower to push on in life, so long as WWX is there for him. Just like all of us, we all need someone like that in our lives to trust ourselves with, whether it be our family or someone else. Here, it is embedded so intrinsically into his sense of identity. And precisely because JC has entrusted himself to WWX by completely believing in that promise, he has inadvertently permitted WWX to have a hold on JC's vulnerable side.
THAT IS WHY, in accumulation to the deaths of his family WWX has accidentally caused, (it's not really his fault though I think) JC twists events that allows him to immediately project blame, internalised anger and unendurable pain, onto WWX. Then JC falls deeper into the victim mentality that gives him the sense of betrayal that would be so great, he can only kill WWX to get past the grief rather than be beholden to a broken piece of himself and become weak.
Although at first it is easy to side with JC and blame WWX for not holding to his word, especially when he knows how important he is to JC, and not being responsible with that trust JC has given him by blatantly doing whatever WWX wants to do to fulfil his own moral needs, including potentially dragging his family into the war. BUT that was narrow-minded of me to think that way. I eventually came to the conclusion that while it is okay to entrust yourself and your happiness to someone important in your life, you should learn to be responsible and aware of it yourself - WWX's mother teaches that "we should try to remember what others did for us, not what we did for others, in order to have a free and happy heart". This is sort of similar to the teachings of Yumeng clan I personally think.
JC is the opposite, he doesn't pay attention to any potential sufferings WWX might have gone through and how that has forced him onto the demonic path in order to have the power to protect the innocent and weak. JC only cares about how much he had to suffer and "righteously" blames WWX for breaking his promise for causing all that, when JC really should be placing WWX's happiness above any consideration for himself- that's the right thing to do as family, much like how their sister doesn't blame and only wished WWX to step off the wrong path even in her dying breath.
Here JC is emotionally blackmailing WWX, whether JC knows it or not.
If that promise, no matter how important it is to you, is preventing someone else, especially someone you care about, from following their heart and doing the right thing, then you should learn to let go of that promise.
Also glaring parallels can be drawn between the choices JC and WWX makes and how that moulds their character and guides them into the person they grew up to be, despite both suffering from loss. WWX chooses to be magnanimous, kind and courageous in being shown unconditional love from his adopted family after knowing life as a loveless, homeless orphan. He accepts them as his source of strength and moral anchor, enabling him to stand up for the weak just much as a reflection of standing up for himself in his most vulnerable moments from his past.
But I really want to get a discussion going on this topic and am excited to see how the rest of you guys see this relationship or ANY OTHER character relationships :DDDD Can't really do this as a review, more like a thread. YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS COMMENT OF COURSE. :) Sorry if I have offended anyone with what I have written.
(And also because I couldn't stop thinking about and have been so bothered by Jiang Cheng, especially whether it was right or not for him to feel the way he feels. I just wanted to vent it out and get it off my chest. XD)
THIS IS JUST FOR THOSE WHO KNOWS HOW THE STORY ENDS ;) SPOILERS UNDERNEATH ;)
Also the Wangxian official OST mv (engsub included)is so beautiful *cries* Check it out :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKSQTDDv0A
Have fun! :D
Official english translated episodes are already up on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMX26aiIvX5pYn98zge18X88sfeYbnhTr
GUYS this is to the point where I still can't believe how they got this through censorship! :O It's a straight up romance *smacks forehead* and they don't even try to be vague about the gayness here *gapes*. It's honestly reckless with how gay it's portrayed when they're up against such a scary government that tries to oppress homosexuality in the media (If anyone is interested, there is literally an explicit PAGE OF GAY PORN shown in a scene. For real, I'm not kidding. 0_0 ). I really don't know how this got through when you just have to look at how careful the drama Zhen hun or Guardian was about hinting, if any, potential romance. Even then it was still taken down after airing and revised for being "against regulations". BUT GOSH I'M GUSHING WITH HAPPINESS, (and I actually like how the romance is shown here than in the novel because it's obvious from the start that WX fancies LZ).
As @Itinerant mentioned below here before, I also agree that the character casting for nearly all of the main characters exceeded my expectations as well. The acting is spot on!:D I thought because this is a BL-based drama, it might be a cheap looking drama, but I was astonished by the quality here!
Sort-of-spoilers:
The drama adds in new romantic scenes between WWX and LZ that aren't from the novel... and loads of sexual tension throughout a few scenes... ;)
In one of the last chapters from the novel, WWX tells LZ to call him "gege" or else he won't kiss him and "do much more", and even though we weren't able to see LZ call him that because they got interrupted by a kid screaming, in the drama we were treated to LZ calling him "Wei gege"... There's no doubt the team of scriptwriters or WHOEVER who involved in the script/directing process, is a big WWX-LZ fan who's thoroughly read through the novel. Heheheheh ;)
I'm up to the latest raw episode btw, ep14. The next few eps are going to be excruciating to go through >_<
The ED is called WangXian *wink wink* and is sung by both the WWX and LZ actors! If anyone is interested in another interpretation of the WangXian song after the previous two versions (one from the audio drama and the humming version from the donghua) *Wangxian official OST mv (engsub included): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKSQTDDv0A
The clothing pieces are all handcrafted and the sets are too! :O They put so much effort into this production, and with that in mind, maybe you'll go into this drama with a greater level of appreciation. So please watch it, it's got english subtitles as well :P