I don’t really know what to say, his character in the first 19 episodes is pretty pointless.He doesn’t do…
That's why I mentioned they met, but it wasn't memorable. Their encounter was brief, lasting only a few minutes without them expressing their feelings. It was a silent exchange, and the chapter of their past was closed. The empress he chose was physically very close to Chu Qiao, but he never loved her. She fulfilled her purpose.. He ended up alone in his palace, surrounded by hundreds of people, concubines, and others, yet feeling lonely, mixing a complexity of regrets and no regrets of his choices.
In dramas, typically only one couple is shown. In the novel, Chu Qiao loved Yan Xun, her first love, but he betrayed…
This is visual and must have a strong immediate impact. That's why they select the most dramatic scenes from novels and craft the story around them. SML are used as accessories for scenes, including romantic ones. For some reason, audiences often enjoy seeing SML jealous, humiliated, and villains. Rarely are they portrayed as good, decent people in costume dramas—if they start out? They usually turn villain after the main couple's feelings are exchanged.
I am not a fan of rebirth stories. In Princess Agents, for example, the SML was very lovable for most of the drama. He only turned villain when his family was slaughtered, witnessing his mother’s suicide and having his family’s heads cut off. The sweet, kind boy became obsessive about regaining Yan Bei for his family. Chu Qiao was the only person who helped him stay sane and alive. She became his only anchor, and he fell deeply in love with her, placing her on a pedestal. When they were separated, he betrayed her out of jealousy and insecurity. He lost her, but no other woman ever replaced her. Sadly, rebirth stories don’t capture the depth of this relationship. They put him on a boring label, the madman killing everyone. He became an ordinary character that everyone will forget from this series.
A similar pattern appears in many dramas. They tend to stereotype the SML, which I believe is a major mistake. However, as you mentioned, some dramas break this norm and are very successful. I also think the role of the SML depends heavily on casting and script quality. I guess it is a matter of luck and the magic of chemistry: right casting, right script, right directors. Princess Agents had all of that even if it deviated a lot from the novel. Rebirth focused too much on unnecessary secondary characters.
I tend to prefer most SML characters over the ML (main lead). Princess Agents is a perfect example. I have a few others, each featuring complex yet lovable SML characters. They did not try to make the SML in Rebirth lovable, and from my perspective, it was a major mistake.
I haven't watched Princess Agents since I heard that one is unfinished. Should I watch that one before this? Is…
Princess Agents is season 1, and Rebirth is the sequel. If you want to avoid confusion, it's best to watch Princess Agents first. The downside is that Princess Agents is so excellent that you'll inevitably compare it to Rebirth. The initial episodes of Rebirth are average, but the series improves as you continue watching. (Some may jump to the conclusion that it is excellent... their opinion is as valid as mine... tastes differ.)
The rating for the TV series 冰湖重生 / Bing Hu Chong Sheng / Rebirth has been downgraded from A+ to A. I…
I read that season 1 significantly boosted Tencent charts (top 20?) and it was quite exceptional after 8 years.
I think this partly explains why the ratings are lower than expected. The major mistake with "Rebirth" was summarizing S1 in one episode and forgot to show the deep love the FL had for both ML, which confused the audience. If you check various forums, the common question is: do I need to watch S1 to understand "Rebirth"? That's a big issue. If viewers haven't watched S1 and decide to watch "Rebirth," comparisons are inevitable, especially since "Rebirth" is vastly different from S1.
Additionally, I believe the age gap (17 vs 29) plays a significant role. Even before "Rebirth" aired, half the audience was discussing their dislike of it, suggesting it wasn't well-received.
Personal choices regarding casting and the script, as well as a lack of chemistry, also impact the reception. The magic just isn’t there for many of us.
Yan Xun was obsessed in the novel as well but not like the way in Rebirth ,i dont know why nowadays adaptation…
In dramas, typically only one couple is shown. In the novel, Chu Qiao loved Yan Xun, her first love, but he betrayed her and lost her affection. Her love for Zhuge Yue was that of a woman no longer in her first love phase. I have noticed your point many times, and I believe it is also due to censorship. Loving two men openly as per CPP China isn't allowed. You will never see the SML kissing the FL; instead, they often play the role of the obsessed, rejected boyfriend.
After watching Episode 1 and reading comments about the Chu Qiao needing help constantly, I don't think I will…
I understand your perspective. This series mainly revolves around palace power struggles, with little romance, focusing mostly on fights and battles. Many events from the novel were altered, but that's common—novels serve as inspiration, while scripts are tailored to highlight visually engaging main events. They also gave the empress and princess significantly more screen time than needed. Personally, I don't like this drama for several reasons, including the casting of the female lead and the script. Individually, they are probably okay, but as a group, it feels flat. However, I acknowledge it was challenging to create a sequel to Season 1. It's not a bad show, but the ratings—both here and on other Chinese platforms—speak for themselves. I personally blame the lack of chemistry between the actors/actresses as a whole (not especially the age gap). Something was seriously missing for me. (I insist on "FOR ME")
I don’t really know what to say, his character in the first 19 episodes is pretty pointless.He doesn’t do…
After deciding to "kill" Zhuge Yue, his only remaining task was to eliminate nearly all of his enemies with his army. As @anitfa observed, his role was essentially finished after the Lake incident. In the novel, he meets her only once more (several years later), and that encounter is uneventful. However, Yan Xun loved only her throughout his life. Despite having hundreds of concubines who resembled her, he never loved anyone else. She remained his first and only love. In the novel, he never pursued her after the Lake incident, nor was he as obsessed as in the drama, but his heart was forever torn between power (being emperor of Yan Bei) and his love and jealousy for her.
you can really see the inexperience of FL's acting. She's really struggling to pull off complex emotions in a…
Agreed.
It's amusing that the novel's author chose to have Chu Qiao transmigrate into the body of a 7-8-year-old girl (not an already young adult). From there, she spent 2 years serving Zhuge Yue and 8 years (not 4 as in S1) secluded in a mansion with Yan Xun. By around age 18, she had become similar to a general with her own army. Perhaps this is why they decided to make her the female lead? Casting is also a political and monetary process that involves much more than simply being skilled at it.
I saw a recent interview with her in which the age difference (17 vs. 29) was discussed. She said she was initially concerned but, after reading the script, felt comfortable—especially since there were no kissing scenes or physical proximity.
They should have dozens of bodyguards and police. If those sasaengs were taken to jail in large numbers, maybe they would be more respectful. To arrest one crazy is not enough.
Little bit disappointed, i don't mean its bad but i just had higher expectation , the opening felt boring and…
In my view, the first episode was a disaster. It attempted to resume Season 1 in one episode with fragments/flashbacks and overlooked the emotional chemistry between the FL and the two MLs, making it feel flat.
When similar ratings appear across different platforms, it indicates something—good or bad. 'Pursuit of Jade' is on the top charts, but 'Rebirth' is not, though both are costume dramas, likely appealing to the same audience.
Ohh this is a sequel. That explains why I felt like we were just blitzing through incredibly important context…
For those in the audience who did not watch Season 1 or read the novel, the storyline can be confusing. Personally, I don't think we can fully understand Chu Qiao's love for the two main male characters. In the novel, she loves both of them, albeit in different ways. However, in Season 1, her feelings for Yan Xun are portrayed ambiguously (in the novel, they actually kiss).
When Season 1 ended with no Season 2 in sight, the audience became extremely frustrated because it left without any closure. This led to an explosion of negative reactions, including accusations of plagiarism, which were primarily related to the novel rather than the drama itself.
It's like comparing apples and oranges—both have their merits, but some people prefer one over the other; it ultimately comes down to personal choice. There will always be hardcore fans who cannot accept differing opinions about their favorite shows or actors/actresses.
I believe that watching "Season 1" first allows viewers to better understand why Chu Qiao loved both Yan Xun and Zhuge Yue, even though her feelings for them differ as depicted in the novel. The motivations behind her choices are much clearer in the original story. However, once viewers become attached to the characters, comparisons are inevitable, (apples vs oranges). Many naysayers point out the age gap between the characters (FL 17 when she filmed), while yaysayers tend to overlook it. A few individuals focus on judging the overall quality of the script, as well as the chemistry and acting (I raise my hand here, lol).
Personally, I think they should have redone Season 1 with the same cast, removing the unnecessary empress and princess storylines. In my opinion (again), they should have cast seasoned lead actors. While the current actors are talented individually, they may not have been the best fit for this particular drama (I personally find a lack of chemistry altogether). Again, that’s just my opinion.
NOVEL ONLY: In the novel, during the lake event, Chu Qiao was 20, Yan Xun was 26, and Zhuge Yue was 27. Chu Qiao spent 2 years as a slave with Zhuge Yue, 8 years confined with Yan Xun, and 2 years in YanBei, mostly separated from Yan Xun. This gives perspective on why she was so loyal to Yan Xun. Yan Xun was her first love, but Zhuge Yue was her true love. However, the novel NOT a romance. It is mainly a story of palace and empire struggles, with many battles. After the lake event, Chu Qiao met Yan Xun only once. All main characters survived, and most secondary characters died. *** I am curious how the "rebirth" script will be written. 🤔🙃
1
I am not a fan of rebirth stories. In Princess Agents, for example, the SML was very lovable for most of the drama. He only turned villain when his family was slaughtered, witnessing his mother’s suicide and having his family’s heads cut off. The sweet, kind boy became obsessive about regaining Yan Bei for his family. Chu Qiao was the only person who helped him stay sane and alive. She became his only anchor, and he fell deeply in love with her, placing her on a pedestal. When they were separated, he betrayed her out of jealousy and insecurity. He lost her, but no other woman ever replaced her. Sadly, rebirth stories don’t capture the depth of this relationship. They put him on a boring label, the madman killing everyone. He became an ordinary character that everyone will forget from this series.
A similar pattern appears in many dramas. They tend to stereotype the SML, which I believe is a major mistake. However, as you mentioned, some dramas break this norm and are very successful. I also think the role of the SML depends heavily on casting and script quality. I guess it is a matter of luck and the magic of chemistry: right casting, right script, right directors. Princess Agents had all of that even if it deviated a lot from the novel. Rebirth focused too much on unnecessary secondary characters.
I tend to prefer most SML characters over the ML (main lead). Princess Agents is a perfect example. I have a few others, each featuring complex yet lovable SML characters. They did not try to make the SML in Rebirth lovable, and from my perspective, it was a major mistake.
I think this partly explains why the ratings are lower than expected. The major mistake with "Rebirth" was summarizing S1 in one episode and forgot to show the deep love the FL had for both ML, which confused the audience. If you check various forums, the common question is: do I need to watch S1 to understand "Rebirth"? That's a big issue. If viewers haven't watched S1 and decide to watch "Rebirth," comparisons are inevitable, especially since "Rebirth" is vastly different from S1.
Additionally, I believe the age gap (17 vs 29) plays a significant role. Even before "Rebirth" aired, half the audience was discussing their dislike of it, suggesting it wasn't well-received.
Personal choices regarding casting and the script, as well as a lack of chemistry, also impact the reception. The magic just isn’t there for many of us.
Therefore, the ratings are not surprising.
It's amusing that the novel's author chose to have Chu Qiao transmigrate into the body of a 7-8-year-old girl (not an already young adult). From there, she spent 2 years serving Zhuge Yue and 8 years (not 4 as in S1) secluded in a mansion with Yan Xun. By around age 18, she had become similar to a general with her own army. Perhaps this is why they decided to make her the female lead? Casting is also a political and monetary process that involves much more than simply being skilled at it.
I saw a recent interview with her in which the age difference (17 vs. 29) was discussed. She said she was initially concerned but, after reading the script, felt comfortable—especially since there were no kissing scenes or physical proximity.
#Karma #Monsters #Murderers #Demons#Assassins #Rapists #BOYCOTT
#NEVERForgetYuMenglong12yearsOfAssaults
#NEVERForgetYuMenglongAssassins
#JusticeForYuMenglong
#JusticeForBianCe
#JusticeForQuioRenliang
#JusticeForRenJiao
#JusticeForBenZi
#JusticeForShangYubo
#JusticeForXingZhongping (Qiu Feng)
#JusticeForSilencedAbusedAssaultedActorsActresses
#NeverForgiveandForget17CriminalNames
#NeverForgiveCNElitePerverts
#VideosStillExistAboutYuDeath
#PackOfLiesNotASuicide
#RefuseToWatchSongYirenShows
#BoycottEEMedia (perverts CEO)
#BoycottTianyuMedia (Yu agency… MURDERERS)
#BoycottMangoExcellentMedia (perverts CEO)
#BoycottHunanTV (perverts CEO)
#BoycottBulgaryHotel
#BoycottAndDestroyHumanBodyPartsExibition798cube
#InternationalPetitionForIndependantInvestigation https://shorturl.at/FXymJ
When Season 1 ended with no Season 2 in sight, the audience became extremely frustrated because it left without any closure. This led to an explosion of negative reactions, including accusations of plagiarism, which were primarily related to the novel rather than the drama itself.
It's like comparing apples and oranges—both have their merits, but some people prefer one over the other; it ultimately comes down to personal choice. There will always be hardcore fans who cannot accept differing opinions about their favorite shows or actors/actresses.
I believe that watching "Season 1" first allows viewers to better understand why Chu Qiao loved both Yan Xun and Zhuge Yue, even though her feelings for them differ as depicted in the novel. The motivations behind her choices are much clearer in the original story. However, once viewers become attached to the characters, comparisons are inevitable, (apples vs oranges). Many naysayers point out the age gap between the characters (FL 17 when she filmed), while yaysayers tend to overlook it. A few individuals focus on judging the overall quality of the script, as well as the chemistry and acting (I raise my hand here, lol).
Personally, I think they should have redone Season 1 with the same cast, removing the unnecessary empress and princess storylines. In my opinion (again), they should have cast seasoned lead actors. While the current actors are talented individually, they may not have been the best fit for this particular drama (I personally find a lack of chemistry altogether). Again, that’s just my opinion.
NOVEL ONLY: In the novel, during the lake event, Chu Qiao was 20, Yan Xun was 26, and Zhuge Yue was 27. Chu Qiao spent 2 years as a slave with Zhuge Yue, 8 years confined with Yan Xun, and 2 years in YanBei, mostly separated from Yan Xun. This gives perspective on why she was so loyal to Yan Xun. Yan Xun was her first love, but Zhuge Yue was her true love. However, the novel NOT a romance. It is mainly a story of palace and empire struggles, with many battles. After the lake event, Chu Qiao met Yan Xun only once. All main characters survived, and most secondary characters died. *** I am curious how the "rebirth" script will be written. 🤔🙃