I agree with all of these! Except, unfortunately, I can attest to evil, manipulative second female leads. They do exist in RL. I have encountered many. >_<
Yeah. In all honesty, I was so conflicted at the time, because if I felt that, technical wise, the drama was full of flaws. I had watched the original, Scarlet Heart, and LOVED it. (Btw, if you can get over the manchu hair, that version is freaking flawless, though it starts slow, but it builds.) Technical wise, the original is better. I was torn on whether I wanted to rate Moon Lovers a 10 because of LJG or whether it really was a 10 and whether I felt it was deserving to take my #1 fave spot. In the end, after much deliberation, I chose 10 and the #1 spot because I was just so emotionally more involved and invested. I watched it while it aired and it added to that emotional hype, but yeah, had I rated strictly on technicacalities, it would have probably been an 8.5.
I also rewatched it later, but the Director's Cut, which was on DF before they shut down. It was a better version than what aired, but there were still issues.
At the end! The way they did that was not executed properly. You just saw her sick and wasting away then suddenly she had the baby. She died soon after.
I really liked this article! I do have to correct you about something, though, @Jeana . In Moon Lovers , she did not die of heartache. She died of complications of pregnancy and birth. It was not shown very well, I admit. :p
what makes me slightly uncomfortable is the fact that even a watered down version of this could never air on S.K…
That, too. The women are starting to come forward a lot more there, though. They have a #metoo movement too now. After these huge K Pop scandals, I have a feeling at least some things will change. Sad thing is, if they do, it is only because it was publicized and the whole world found out.
Why I felt strange about the article, though. I was just a bit concerned because it was written pretty graphically. It is definitely for other mature adults, as is The Handmaiden's Tale. I know the database has adult and mature themed dramas and films, but they are tagged, at least. Maybe I am turning into an old fogie, but with so many young people, many from more conservitive places if the world, the bit describing the punishments was a little much, I thought. It is a great article and I agree with the message, I just have issue with that one part.
Dang. I am turning into my grandma, aren't I? >_< lol
what makes me slightly uncomfortable is the fact that even a watered down version of this could never air on S.K…
Same. I never read the book or saw the show, but I saw the movie a long ass time ago. It's too graphic and sexual for Asian culture in general. Unfortunately, Asian society tends to be way more conservitive than many other places. Although....a watered down version might could pass in Japan. I am not dissing it or anything, or the author. She wrote very well. I am just super surprised at it.
Also super surprised the word 'clitoris' has made it on here. I am unsure whether to be wooting for making the body part less stigmitized or concerned about members from more consertive countries getting shocked and offended. :p
Some articles are saying she hung herself. Others say she drowned in her bathtub. Whatever the case, it seems to be ruled a suicide. :(
I know it looked like I was veing rude in my discussion below, but I was not meaning to. This subject is very personal for me, as I also stated about my high school friend. It is so important to acknowledge and face depression and suicide. The more we push it away and make excuses, blame other things, the worse it is for those who are thinking about it. That is why I pushed the issue. Also because every article and report specifically say 'suicide'. So far, there are none that say heart failure or that she even had a health problem, save depression.
It is so very heartbreaking, because she was such a beloved actress. :(
They are pretty sure it was suicide. She had been battling depression. Why would you even speculate that it was…
I understand, but you have absolutely no basis for a heart condition. I mean, you just kind of threw it out there with no reason whatsoever. That is why I said what I did.
She was found hanging. There has been NO word about any heart condition. I am just asking you to please not speculate about things with no reason or basis. It is suicide. I am confused by your reluctance to accept that. Like I said before, though suicide is terrible, it is extremely important not to ignore it when it happens or sweep it away, or call it something else. I also apologize if I come across as harsh or anything. It isn't my intention at all. It is just a very important issue with me and I am truly baffled by your inability to accept this and your baseless claim of heart problems.
They are pretty sure it was suicide. She had been battling depression. Why would you even speculate that it was…
I am on the autism spectrum so sometimes I come across as too blunt or harsh in my wording when I don't intend to. I just hope that people refrain from ignoring the facts reported in order to draw their own conclusions. Suicide is especially heartbreaking, but when it happens, it is so important not to ignore it or brush it aside. It can be uncomfortable. To many people, it is a sin and taboo. Still, it is important that it is faced and talked about/confronted. Too many people keep their depression hidden for fear of judgement, ridiculed or ignored.
They are pretty sure it was suicide. She had been battling depression. Why would you even speculate that it was…
I did not mean any rudeness to Ugly Duckling. I am a blunt person and that is how I talk. :)
That being said, her agency asked people not to spread rumors or speculate, which is what I meant. I don't think it is right to just throw out stuff that is unconfirmed. I know it is shocking, especially since she was so well known. We should all accept what the authorities are reporting right now, out of respect. Yes, suicide is awful, but that is what happened unfortunately. :(
I literally clutched whatever was next to me and flung backwards and let out a sound of pain as if I was physically…
That was a beautiful post. I lost my high school friend/ex boyfriend last year to suicide. He had been severely depressed for years. The saddest and most heart wrenching part about it? For months he had been trying to reach out to many of us high school friends, wanting to talk or just hang out. None of us really got it and always said the usual 'Sure. One of these days when I get the time.' In the end, we were not there for him when he needed us the most. We didn't realize he was crying out to us. We just thought he was saying the usual things people say on FB when they haven't spoken to you for a while. I still feel guilt and I am still angry at myself, even though I know I could not have known. Still, all it might have taken is to just make the time to talk to him. The others in my old friends group from back then all feel the same and carry the same guilt. We might always.
I also have suffered from major depression myself. There were times I wished I could die, but I never tried to end my life. I was in a very dark place for a while, though. Funny enough, it was Asian dramas that helped me get out of that dark place. Watching them gave me something to occupy my mind, instead of dwelling on unhappy, depressing thoughts. I have been out of depression for 7+ years now.
Anyway. What I want to say is, don't ignore or put off a friend or family member that comes to you, wanting to spend time with you. They came to you for a reason. Whether it be just to enjoy your company or needing to talk to someone.
I don't think it was suicide....I mean she was in the hotel because she was shooting some Tv show I think?I personally…
They are pretty sure it was suicide. She had been battling depression. Why would you even speculate that it was heart failure when that was not even mentioned at all? As far as what is being reported, she had no other health problems. You might have liked the actress, but saying it is not what it is doesn't make it true.
I also rewatched it later, but the Director's Cut, which was on DF before they shut down. It was a better version than what aired, but there were still issues.
Why I felt strange about the article, though. I was just a bit concerned because it was written pretty graphically. It is definitely for other mature adults, as is The Handmaiden's Tale. I know the database has adult and mature themed dramas and films, but they are tagged, at least. Maybe I am turning into an old fogie, but with so many young people, many from more conservitive places if the world, the bit describing the punishments was a little much, I thought. It is a great article and I agree with the message, I just have issue with that one part.
Dang. I am turning into my grandma, aren't I? >_< lol
Also super surprised the word 'clitoris' has made it on here. I am unsure whether to be wooting for making the body part less stigmitized or concerned about members from more consertive countries getting shocked and offended. :p
I know it looked like I was veing rude in my discussion below, but I was not meaning to. This subject is very personal for me, as I also stated about my high school friend. It is so important to acknowledge and face depression and suicide. The more we push it away and make excuses, blame other things, the worse it is for those who are thinking about it. That is why I pushed the issue. Also because every article and report specifically say 'suicide'. So far, there are none that say heart failure or that she even had a health problem, save depression.
It is so very heartbreaking, because she was such a beloved actress. :(
She was found hanging. There has been NO word about any heart condition. I am just asking you to please not speculate about things with no reason or basis. It is suicide. I am confused by your reluctance to accept that. Like I said before, though suicide is terrible, it is extremely important not to ignore it when it happens or sweep it away, or call it something else. I also apologize if I come across as harsh or anything. It isn't my intention at all. It is just a very important issue with me and I am truly baffled by your inability to accept this and your baseless claim of heart problems.
That being said, her agency asked people not to spread rumors or speculate, which is what I meant. I don't think it is right to just throw out stuff that is unconfirmed. I know it is shocking, especially since she was so well known. We should all accept what the authorities are reporting right now, out of respect. Yes, suicide is awful, but that is what happened unfortunately. :(
I also have suffered from major depression myself. There were times I wished I could die, but I never tried to end my life. I was in a very dark place for a while, though. Funny enough, it was Asian dramas that helped me get out of that dark place. Watching them gave me something to occupy my mind, instead of dwelling on unhappy, depressing thoughts. I have been out of depression for 7+ years now.
Anyway. What I want to say is, don't ignore or put off a friend or family member that comes to you, wanting to spend time with you. They came to you for a reason. Whether it be just to enjoy your company or needing to talk to someone.