Of course to get to the specific scenes in the episodes so mentioned there was a lot of slow burn, a lot, and still. But those moments were great.
I’m seriously wondering what in the world the plot’s going to do with Zhuo Ying’s twin, or Ji Chang. I’m not even mad because it really subverted my expectations the way the plot is going but hell why did you reveal them so early then, I’m just laughing honestly.
Apart from the second lead couple’s questionable moral representation of a relationship, I like how most of the characters here have been pretty well developed and you can see how the leads have their flaws, but not pointless and childish ones. Not to mention how glad I am and surprised that Hai Shi isn’t afraid to speak her mind and is direct, but not in the way that gets her into trouble, because she’s very caring about those around her and observant to details. Super new characterisation for a female lead in these type of bloody romances, as usually there are just so many misunderstandings and you know, whatever the plot is.
Certain scenes are great and I love some of the build up, but again pacing is this show’s worst flaw. I will say I’m hooked enough to keep going and check on it daily though.
Reading the comments, fans are so eager to see Haishi becomes the empress. Guys, chill. It's from a short novel…
Haha Female Prime Minister is one of the better historicals I’ve seen related to the female lead’s growth from an underdog to powerful leader, I think. I still remember the white pottery line. I agree though, basically every single show where the female lead becomes the empress only comes up last episode, and usually less than half of the episode left because there isn’t much plot to go over now they end it. I never saw the empress line as something major to look forward to lol.
I just finished 19* not 20 Quick thoughts on the last few episodes: Episode 12 still stands as my favourite episode.
I actually did not like the 'sweeter' scenes as much later on because the vibe changed from the moodier sadness of unreciprocated or inability to love in comparison to this kind of lighter vibe that is halfway unexplained/just about rationalized.
This brings me to: I can see why Haishi likes Fang Zhu, but not so much on this site Ironically they're my favourite pairing, but I think the scenes that show their relationship most are through their actions with other people. For example, when Haishi was caught and Fang Zhu was in Huang Quan Guan, about to send the wedding presents, he basically tells the others not to underestimate her intelligence. He also says this when he talks to Zhuo Ying. In the earlier episodes, Haishi does act cutesy/etc etc etc but you can see that when she's outside and dealing with other things she's completely serious. I assume from all of the above that when she isn't acting out her true colours in Ji Feng Guan she's smart, able to stand on her own, and seems quite intimidating, and if I assume from all the years Fang Zhu has known her for then he has that base admiration for her capabilities when she isn't around him and Zhuo Ying.
But as for now, I wish they'd show a direct scene of Fang Zhu in admiration of her certain ability. He definitely already appreciates her, and I know that some scenes later on simply show that at some point he regards her as a woman instead of someone close to him. I understand that process, but there needs to be some direct feedback.
Going onto the second pairing, gosh the atmosphere is tense and I am constantly worried about Tilan. It's stressful but not in a good way; from the conversations at the emperor rarely has with other people about Zizan, the boy needs therapy.
It's like: you're gonna tell the guy who accidentally killed her, and her sister, who is in an unstable undefined relationship with you, about this- obviously, there are no better choices and that's why it's just-I'm worried he'll reach a tipping point at any moment. As a history of course the best option for people back then is to move on by finding someone, but this guy has not gotten over his love for a decade.
The third pairing is really said and I sometimes feel for them in certain scenes, but there's not that much progress atm. I'm super interested in the twin, though.
Additionally, I do like Su Ming a lot and I hope the transition of villains to the fourth prince side doesn't happen too quickly. Atm the plot needs a stronger backbone/clear direction as well, regardless of whether I know certain things will happen.
I love this show though, but these are just things I've picked on. Usually shows seem to start great and go downhill but I feel like this one's been plateauing, faltering with slight spikes so far and it's only gonna start it's an exponential ride in a few episodes. Because obviously, the mermaid stuff isn't really a big/explained thing yet, so no connection to the start, but also the female lead does not have a purpose, other than the relationship. If the relationship is the draw-in item, we need to be able to see the direction, but it's a very unclear stage rn. I know people have said it's boring and I generally understand that, but I love Yang Mi's historicals, and I guess slower pacing is fine for me after I've watched too many fast-paced, stressful dramas. Depending on when I watched this, I figure I might actually be the one disliking the drama or unable to see its good sides. Yet it's pretty good, though could be better, and I want it to be better too.
THIS ONE ANNOYS ME. this is not this drama . All chinese drama. if a girl put the hair back we have to assume…
Subversion of expectations, but that only goes so far in understanding. Basically it's just an unspoken law of C-Dramas, so it requires suspension of belief. Obviously this trope is well liked as women didn't have much power or ability to do traditionally male work (fighting wars, going to school, etc) so it shows the female lead being able to be strong within the same environment without being treated differently. I accept it, but I can't say I disagree with it. I'm taken aback by how irritated you are, but I guess I'm just used to it. Of course, many actresses themselves don't look like they could look like a male no matter how you dress them up. I think the issue is that the audience wants to se the male and female lead falling in love but also think the female looks like a woman. Sets should probably work on this styling more if they want to continue working on this trope; too many 'disguises' have been laughed at completely by netizens.
The Rise of Phoenixes has a pretty good one; I know there's a smaller-budget costume drama that has one too, and people say that one is good but I'm not sure.
Other than other elements like eyebrows and shoulders and these physical elements, it has to do with the posture, voice, tone, and mannerisms, which is the actor's job. I feel like because this trope is so widely accepted it doesn't even really cross my mind when I see a bad disguise, I'm so used to it. But actors definitely overall have not put enough work into acting like a male either.
In summary, it's stupid, and they have to work on it. The trope comes from an easy way to give a female lead the ability to fit in while still appealing to audiences as a female within a historical setting.
But I've actually seen you comment some other things before and I'm confused, why are you ranting angrily on this page, or is it just the Caps Locks giving the impression.
...? Interesting I guess, don't know if it'll work, too many foreign elements together whether the background+genre or the two actors. But we'll see. Pay day sure will be great for LMH though. Also wow, this show is expensive if that's true
Baixi is not a person, it's a role. It means that Fang Zhu's life is intertwined with the Emperor's because of basically magic which causes all the pain and injuries the emperor would have experienced to go to Fang Zhu instead.
I saw some clips in Twitter..But no subs..So didn't understand anything..
No worries, they were mostly reading out fan comments on across the screens selected by their teams and they had horrible internet connection as both were in hotels lol
I kind of get why the c-netizens are so incensed about the casting - Haishi is 20 years younger than Fang Jianming…
Right, but I'm glad it was changed to 7 years or so. Not matter what, casting someone that looked so younger would have been so uncomfortable and I wouldn't be able to see them as an acceptable couple. Psychologically it's just not possible for them to have a balanced relationship. I loved that they showed they had a simply platonic relationship with the young female lead actress and that attraction did not start until further along Yang Mi's bout. Plus, ages differences are less concerning as people age because people become more balanced with their faith and experiences (as the gained and changing insight plateaus slowly at middle age). So honestly, I really prefer the new set up.
Speaking of which, this is why there's a bit of contention with me when dramas start with the innocent female lead set-up. It's always the final female lead form as a smart, strong and mature character that people like, but at the same time people love seeing contrast and to a certain extent seeing youthfulness and carefreeness. However, that always begs the question: What, then, does the male lead, mature and experienced, see in her? Why does he like her? Therefore it always makes more sense when the female lead is though young, less experienced, but gains experience and some more maturity, before even considering a relationship.
I can't believe Yang Mi is being a (supposedly) a man, with short than average men height - delicate posture and…
I do agree. Though I'm glad she used her own voice, her natural voice also has a natural higher toned tinge (though more nasal). Sometimes it feels like if she gave a huge cough and then tried to speak a few pitches down it would be fine. In her normal conversations when she just nods and says yes and so on her voice is actually pretty low, but then as soon as she has to say anything in a louder voice it goes back to that particular sound.
Anyways, this is a trope I've seen way too often so it doesn't bother me anymore, but I see why it can. You could check out the Rise of Phoenixes, which has the most convincing one cross-dressing so far, with change in tone, walk, and styling.
This is kind of the biggest suspension of belief here.
At one particular shot I studied her face, and I thought about it, and she could pass for a very feminine, soft-looking male, but if her skin tone was a few shades darker and if she had shoulder pads (because men have squarer shoulders generally), which is one of the more obvious aspects of her styling which touts her as a woman), more hair framing her face and around her face (blurring her features), and obviously no eyelash extensions, I think it would look passable. So I generally just imagine all these aspects on her at any given moment and pretend that's what the others see.
In the middle of Episode15- Oh no, why did Ju Qiqi just say, 'good'? Ah, I wanted her to do her own thing. I thought the point of her coming blindness was so that she couldn't see the image clearly and think that Fang Zhu was with another woman-does this mean she's interpreting the scene has seeing Haishi as well? Lord, I don't want another jealous character and a woman who just wants revenge this way. Let's give them some space outside of her pining for Fang Zhu arc-I'm so worried for what's to come.
Of course to get to the specific scenes in the episodes so mentioned there was a lot of slow burn, a lot, and still. But those moments were great.
I’m seriously wondering what in the world the plot’s going to do with Zhuo Ying’s twin, or Ji Chang. I’m not even mad because it really subverted my expectations the way the plot is going but hell why did you reveal them so early then, I’m just laughing honestly.
Apart from the second lead couple’s questionable moral representation of a relationship, I like how most of the characters here have been pretty well developed and you can see how the leads have their flaws, but not pointless and childish ones. Not to mention how glad I am and surprised that Hai Shi isn’t afraid to speak her mind and is direct, but not in the way that gets her into trouble, because she’s very caring about those around her and observant to details. Super new characterisation for a female lead in these type of bloody romances, as usually there are just so many misunderstandings and you know, whatever the plot is.
Certain scenes are great and I love some of the build up, but again pacing is this show’s worst flaw. I will say I’m hooked enough to keep going and check on it daily though.
I have no idea why I'm so happy, I am literally not any one of their fans, but this is great!
Hope you two have a happy and everlasting relationship, and enjoy parenthood to the fullest.
Quick thoughts on the last few episodes:
Episode 12 still stands as my favourite episode.
I actually did not like the 'sweeter' scenes as much later on because the vibe changed from the moodier sadness of unreciprocated or inability to love in comparison to this kind of lighter vibe that is halfway unexplained/just about rationalized.
This brings me to: I can see why Haishi likes Fang Zhu, but not so much on this site
Ironically they're my favourite pairing, but I think the scenes that show their relationship most are through their actions with other people. For example, when Haishi was caught and Fang Zhu was in Huang Quan Guan, about to send the wedding presents, he basically tells the others not to underestimate her intelligence. He also says this when he talks to Zhuo Ying. In the earlier episodes, Haishi does act cutesy/etc etc etc but you can see that when she's outside and dealing with other things she's completely serious. I assume from all of the above that when she isn't acting out her true colours in Ji Feng Guan she's smart, able to stand on her own, and seems quite intimidating, and if I assume from all the years Fang Zhu has known her for then he has that base admiration for her capabilities when she isn't around him and Zhuo Ying.
But as for now, I wish they'd show a direct scene of Fang Zhu in admiration of her certain ability. He definitely already appreciates her, and I know that some scenes later on simply show that at some point he regards her as a woman instead of someone close to him. I understand that process, but there needs to be some direct feedback.
Going onto the second pairing, gosh the atmosphere is tense and I am constantly worried about Tilan. It's stressful but not in a good way; from the conversations at the emperor rarely has with other people about Zizan, the boy needs therapy.
It's like: you're gonna tell the guy who accidentally killed her, and her sister, who is in an unstable undefined relationship with you, about this-
obviously, there are no better choices and that's why it's just-I'm worried he'll reach a tipping point at any moment. As a history of course the best option for people back then is to move on by finding someone, but this guy has not gotten over his love for a decade.
The third pairing is really said and I sometimes feel for them in certain scenes, but there's not that much progress atm. I'm super interested in the twin, though.
Additionally, I do like Su Ming a lot and I hope the transition of villains to the fourth prince side doesn't happen too quickly. Atm the plot needs a stronger backbone/clear direction as well, regardless of whether I know certain things will happen.
I love this show though, but these are just things I've picked on. Usually shows seem to start great and go downhill but I feel like this one's been plateauing, faltering with slight spikes so far and it's only gonna start it's an exponential ride in a few episodes. Because obviously, the mermaid stuff isn't really a big/explained thing yet, so no connection to the start, but also the female lead does not have a purpose, other than the relationship. If the relationship is the draw-in item, we need to be able to see the direction, but it's a very unclear stage rn. I know people have said it's boring and I generally understand that, but I love Yang Mi's historicals, and I guess slower pacing is fine for me after I've watched too many fast-paced, stressful dramas. Depending on when I watched this, I figure I might actually be the one disliking the drama or unable to see its good sides. Yet it's pretty good, though could be better, and I want it to be better too.
I accept it, but I can't say I disagree with it. I'm taken aback by how irritated you are, but I guess I'm just used to it. Of course, many actresses themselves don't look like they could look like a male no matter how you dress them up. I think the issue is that the audience wants to se the male and female lead falling in love but also think the female looks like a woman.
Sets should probably work on this styling more if they want to continue working on this trope; too many 'disguises' have been laughed at completely by netizens.
The Rise of Phoenixes has a pretty good one; I know there's a smaller-budget costume drama that has one too, and people say that one is good but I'm not sure.
Other than other elements like eyebrows and shoulders and these physical elements, it has to do with the posture, voice, tone, and mannerisms, which is the actor's job. I feel like because this trope is so widely accepted it doesn't even really cross my mind when I see a bad disguise, I'm so used to it. But actors definitely overall have not put enough work into acting like a male either.
In summary, it's stupid, and they have to work on it. The trope comes from an easy way to give a female lead the ability to fit in while still appealing to audiences as a female within a historical setting.
But I've actually seen you comment some other things before and I'm confused, why are you ranting angrily on this page, or is it just the Caps Locks giving the impression.
Pay day sure will be great for LMH though.
Also wow, this show is expensive if that's true
Speaking of which, this is why there's a bit of contention with me when dramas start with the innocent female lead set-up. It's always the final female lead form as a smart, strong and mature character that people like, but at the same time people love seeing contrast and to a certain extent seeing youthfulness and carefreeness. However, that always begs the question: What, then, does the male lead, mature and experienced, see in her? Why does he like her? Therefore it always makes more sense when the female lead is though young, less experienced, but gains experience and some more maturity, before even considering a relationship.
Anyways, this is a trope I've seen way too often so it doesn't bother me anymore, but I see why it can. You could check out the Rise of Phoenixes, which has the most convincing one cross-dressing so far, with change in tone, walk, and styling.
This is kind of the biggest suspension of belief here.
At one particular shot I studied her face, and I thought about it, and she could pass for a very feminine, soft-looking male, but if her skin tone was a few shades darker and if she had shoulder pads (because men have squarer shoulders generally), which is one of the more obvious aspects of her styling which touts her as a woman), more hair framing her face and around her face (blurring her features), and obviously no eyelash extensions, I think it would look passable. So I generally just imagine all these aspects on her at any given moment and pretend that's what the others see.
Oh no, why did Ju Qiqi just say, 'good'?
Ah, I wanted her to do her own thing.
I thought the point of her coming blindness was so that she couldn't see the image clearly and think that Fang Zhu was with another woman-does this mean she's interpreting the scene has seeing Haishi as well?
Lord, I don't want another jealous character and a woman who just wants revenge this way. Let's give them some space outside of her pining for Fang Zhu arc-I'm so worried for what's to come.