Leo is really hot, I don't mind to watch him on screen all the drama, the rest of course is boring
No disagreement here. I was absolutely shook when they finally showed him lol. He and Fiat have really nice chemistry together too. I'm looking forward to seeing it hopefully be turned up several notches by the end.
I still appreciate TharnType's scenes though, but I think it's just the love of the couple and their usual chemistry. It's like how I could watch Max and Tul or Off and Gun do literally anything together and be utterly captivated. The story itself is not very strong at all and their conflicts feel very forced.
Like this last ep where Tharn was literally harassing Type to let him visit him, or pick him up, or wait for him when he was working late, but when he gets home, Type is suddenly mad and jealous that Tharn had fun and someone commented on it? That makes no sense. There is NO reason after 7 years of being obsessed over, Type should have any worry that Tharn would ever leave him for anyone else. Tharn has been thoroughly whipped from the beginning and Type has known it. It's one of the most powerful (and unique) dynamics of their relationship.
Honestly I'm really enjoying Fiat and Leo's story, but the other side couples could go to give more time to them. Like I'm not even that mad about the smaller amount of TT, because it'd just be filled with more ridiculous misunderstandings to pad the story. I just want more of Fiat and Leo. I'd like to know more about their relationships, their families, their lives. I find myself skipping the other two supporting couples. Nothing against the actors, but they weren't given anything good to work with in the first place.
Props to First and Ja though. They're really selling what little they've been given. Ep 5 made me really feel for Fiat.
I just finished this series, which is largely being talked about as the best "BL" series ever, and yanno what?
It is. Hands-effing-down. I even hesitate to call it BL, because it lacks the usual tropes and fanservice you normally see in the genre. It's an incredible story about first love and coming out, and the cinematography, direction, acting, script is just so daggom SOLID. I felt like I was watching a long independent movie, rather than a Thai miniseries.
I'm an emotional wreck. What a fantastic series!
Like seriously, I could go on and on about how wonderful and REAL this series is, but instead just go watch it. It is soooo worth it.
question for people who have watched ep 2:so far this drama seems violently misogynistic and especially our main…
Have you watched many Thai series, particularly outside of BL? I say this because what you're observing here is an aspect of Thai society (The victim blaming, I mean). I don't disagree that there is a current of misogyny there. It's a huge issue still. If you haven't seen it, The Judgement (on Netflix if you have it) pretty fantastically addresses this in part, though it doesn't go quite as it could have.
As for that editing in the beginning, that's a pretty common device used in Western shows/movies as well. The juxtaposition of a happy scene with a horrific one is intended to drive home how terrible it is and in this, I believe it's also foreshadowing how downhill everything is going to go for our lead. If you haven't already, I'd def suggest watching the next ep. It fleshes out the characters a bit better and has a more emotional bent to it.
WOW, so many people disappointed, but here I am fresh off the second episode and so dang pleased lol
Honestly, though I see some gentling and effort in Type, I'm not surprised they still have a lot of the same problems. Type's father still hasn't come to terms with his sexuality and Tharn has likely spent this entire time just caving into Type as he usually does. Look, it might seem crazy, but it is EASY to spend a decade or more in a relationship that never develops into a healthy one. It happens. Tharn and Type got together in their freshman year of college. They're still in their 20s. It's not odd that they'd still be struggling to communicate properly and constantly patching their wounds through their intense physical connections
And I can't BELIEVE some of y'all are actually upset that Tharn is still so thirsty for Type. Some couples maintain a healthy sex life for their entire lives. Tharn has always had a high sex drive. Why wouldn't he be all over Type, especially when he knows he's upset and he's trying to assure himself that Type still loves him?
And why in the world would the show runners deprive the audience of the very things they enjoyed about TharnType? We love the passion and the conflict. We love Tharn sulking like a giant baby and Type being the ever-grumpy manchild he is. Well, at least some of us do.
Anyway, I'm enjoying it, and I'm really looking forward to more antics from Techno, who is, as far as I'm concerned, the greatest character in this entire series, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who enjoys him with Kla, but clearly I have issues lol
Ahem, "your cheeks are as soft as a girl's" was used as at that time he was straight, ik u probably won't see…
Check out Queer as Folk if you haven't seen it. I never watched the British one, but was a huge fan of the American series. It really dug into the American gay experience in many different aspects.
But like...it isn't BL. BL is a romance genre with it's own characteristics, just like hetero romcoms, dramas, slap/kiss (thai), etc.
But yeah, a few Western recommends:
Queer as Folk Brokeback Mountain Call me By Your Name But I'm a Cheerleader (both lesbian and gay)
Well, I'm quite disappointed. I looked forward to this series because it seemed fresh and cute, but the new trailer…
Preach. Here's the thing about Mia/Pua - while it can be used frivolously, it specifically means someone you are sleeping with, and therefore "married" to. It is actually pretty rude to call your wife "mia", as traditionally it was a term reserved for mistresses. Legal wives and husbands are "panrayaa" and "samee", respectively.
The reason that scene in Together with Me when Korn says, "It's normal for a man to be possessive over his wife" is so powerful and Knock's girlfriend is so upset, is because he is explicitly rubbing in the fact that he and Knock are sleeping together, by using the term Mia.
This is also why Type gets so pissed about it in TharnType (though in 7 years later he seems to have gotten used to it lol).
Anyway, like you said...it's gendered, heteronormative, and it isn't even really a complementary term. It also just feeds into the concept in Thai culture that gay men aren't really men, but the third gender of kathoey, which should only be determined and used by the person themself.
This is a weird place to ask for recommend because most here are BL fans since this series packs in a bunch of BL koojin lol
If you want to see straight Thai romance (that you don't have to go digging around for), try the U Prince series, also on GMM. It's a who's who of their actors and each mini series is really enjoyable. Avoid the first one. "Handsome Cowboy" if you can't handle attempted assault scenes by the lead male that will absolutely be overlooked later (super super super common in Thai drama btw). The Ugly Duckling series and the Kiss series are also great (though there is a side BL couple in the Kiss series)
Oh, and my personal fav is Boy for Rent, though honestly half of it was pretty ruined by an awful second lead female character and her utter lack of chemistry with Lee Thanat (she's not even a bad actress so I have no clue how that disaster happened). The main half of it is amazing though and not to be missed! (also has an attempted assault too though >_>)
Someday I will find a good drama with Riley...someday xD This drama makes me cringe too many times...from the…
I'm currently watching Love is Sweet and Riley is KILLING it. It's a supporting role, but his acting is so natural I can't believe it's the same actor tbqh.
is friendzone considered a BL or not ? I'm confused because I don't know who the main couple is...
The answer is no. It's a drama series with characters of different sexual orientations. BL/Y is its own genre and does not apply to every series where there are male/male relationships.
I really loved his character in 3 will be free and next drama i saw ended up like this.. he deserves better
Watch Game Rak Ao Kuen. His character was so amazing and the romance was so good that the channel rewrote the ending when fans revolted because it was a sad one ?
I want more. At first I was a little annoyed at the lack of skinship, because I thought it was because they were…
It is...and it isn't. It's so weird, lol. It depends on the actors (some actresses literally have no-kiss contracts but they will fake them usually), the channel, the air time, etc. It's possible the actors here just did not want to have those scenes impact their image, or even have moral views that make them uncomfortable with too much PDA.
You're more likely to see it from certain channels than others (GMM more likely, Channel 7, Channel 8 etc), but it really is a crapshoot unless you have actors like Weir and Push, who a very insistent that they only have real kisses and prefer to have lots of skinship to properly convey the chemistry of their characters.
But...yeah. Welcome to Thai drama, lol. You never know what you're going to get!
The best thing to come from this drama is the fact that Lee Joon Gi and Moon Chae Won stayed good friends after and that familiarity feuled the incredible chemistry they had in Flower of Evil, which is the best performance thus far of both their careers. Seriously, if you're disappointed at the lack of romance in this series, go watch that one. You will not be disappointed!
I still appreciate TharnType's scenes though, but I think it's just the love of the couple and their usual chemistry. It's like how I could watch Max and Tul or Off and Gun do literally anything together and be utterly captivated. The story itself is not very strong at all and their conflicts feel very forced.
Like this last ep where Tharn was literally harassing Type to let him visit him, or pick him up, or wait for him when he was working late, but when he gets home, Type is suddenly mad and jealous that Tharn had fun and someone commented on it? That makes no sense. There is NO reason after 7 years of being obsessed over, Type should have any worry that Tharn would ever leave him for anyone else. Tharn has been thoroughly whipped from the beginning and Type has known it. It's one of the most powerful (and unique) dynamics of their relationship.
Props to First and Ja though. They're really selling what little they've been given. Ep 5 made me really feel for Fiat.
It is. Hands-effing-down. I even hesitate to call it BL, because it lacks the usual tropes and fanservice you normally see in the genre. It's an incredible story about first love and coming out, and the cinematography, direction, acting, script is just so daggom SOLID. I felt like I was watching a long independent movie, rather than a Thai miniseries.
I'm an emotional wreck. What a fantastic series!
Like seriously, I could go on and on about how wonderful and REAL this series is, but instead just go watch it. It is soooo worth it.
(she is ALWAYS the villain lol)
I'm enjoying it so far! Ep 2 definitely has me raising questions and wondering what's going on. Can't wait for the next ep!
As for that editing in the beginning, that's a pretty common device used in Western shows/movies as well. The juxtaposition of a happy scene with a horrific one is intended to drive home how terrible it is and in this, I believe it's also foreshadowing how downhill everything is going to go for our lead. If you haven't already, I'd def suggest watching the next ep. It fleshes out the characters a bit better and has a more emotional bent to it.
Honestly, though I see some gentling and effort in Type, I'm not surprised they still have a lot of the same problems. Type's father still hasn't come to terms with his sexuality and Tharn has likely spent this entire time just caving into Type as he usually does. Look, it might seem crazy, but it is EASY to spend a decade or more in a relationship that never develops into a healthy one. It happens. Tharn and Type got together in their freshman year of college. They're still in their 20s. It's not odd that they'd still be struggling to communicate properly and constantly patching their wounds through their intense physical connections
And I can't BELIEVE some of y'all are actually upset that Tharn is still so thirsty for Type. Some couples maintain a healthy sex life for their entire lives. Tharn has always had a high sex drive. Why wouldn't he be all over Type, especially when he knows he's upset and he's trying to assure himself that Type still loves him?
And why in the world would the show runners deprive the audience of the very things they enjoyed about TharnType? We love the passion and the conflict. We love Tharn sulking like a giant baby and Type being the ever-grumpy manchild he is. Well, at least some of us do.
Anyway, I'm enjoying it, and I'm really looking forward to more antics from Techno, who is, as far as I'm concerned, the greatest character in this entire series, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who enjoys him with Kla, but clearly I have issues lol
But like...it isn't BL. BL is a romance genre with it's own characteristics, just like hetero romcoms, dramas, slap/kiss (thai), etc.
But yeah, a few Western recommends:
Queer as Folk
Brokeback Mountain
Call me By Your Name
But I'm a Cheerleader (both lesbian and gay)
The reason that scene in Together with Me when Korn says, "It's normal for a man to be possessive over his wife" is so powerful and Knock's girlfriend is so upset, is because he is explicitly rubbing in the fact that he and Knock are sleeping together, by using the term Mia.
This is also why Type gets so pissed about it in TharnType (though in 7 years later he seems to have gotten used to it lol).
Anyway, like you said...it's gendered, heteronormative, and it isn't even really a complementary term. It also just feeds into the concept in Thai culture that gay men aren't really men, but the third gender of kathoey, which should only be determined and used by the person themself.
If you want to see straight Thai romance (that you don't have to go digging around for), try the U Prince series, also on GMM. It's a who's who of their actors and each mini series is really enjoyable. Avoid the first one. "Handsome Cowboy" if you can't handle attempted assault scenes by the lead male that will absolutely be overlooked later (super super super common in Thai drama btw). The Ugly Duckling series and the Kiss series are also great (though there is a side BL couple in the Kiss series)
Oh, and my personal fav is Boy for Rent, though honestly half of it was pretty ruined by an awful second lead female character and her utter lack of chemistry with Lee Thanat (she's not even a bad actress so I have no clue how that disaster happened). The main half of it is amazing though and not to be missed! (also has an attempted assault too though >_>)
This is a disastrous business model, especially if they're expecting Americans to buy it. Should be 20 max for permanent access. 10 for rent.
You're more likely to see it from certain channels than others (GMM more likely, Channel 7, Channel 8 etc), but it really is a crapshoot unless you have actors like Weir and Push, who a very insistent that they only have real kisses and prefer to have lots of skinship to properly convey the chemistry of their characters.
But...yeah. Welcome to Thai drama, lol. You never know what you're going to get!