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I agree. I was so excited for each episode of season 1 to be aired, I couldn't wait for friday to come, but now I'm more and more disappointed each week. This is not a real love story anymore, and I have no heartbeats anymore... At least there's still a real chemistry between GSD and ZSY, but there isn't enough time screen for their love story so that doesn't really count.

We had a change of time in some countries last week-end. Now that means we have to wait one more hour for the episode to be aired...
Too bad.

Yeah, that's right. People didn't comment E2 in WBL as much as they did for History4 E6.
But on the other side, in WBL Shu Yi was perfectly able to push away Shi De (we saw him push Shi De away a few minutes ago when he thought Shi De was messing with him, when they were lying on the first couch, but on the second couch he gave up and didn't really fight back AND the "victim" isn't drunk here, it's the contrary) so it's not really the same "unbalanced power" in WBL
But let's see in the following episodes if we can compare these two dramas again

A little disappointed by this episode, quite boring. I would have prefer some scenes about the Aoey / Saymork 's story. But at least, the story progresses.
And I agree with those who think the loonnng silences are useless when the character could have give an explanation with just ONE quick sentence...

I understand your point of view but alcohol is a... what's the word in english, an "aggravating circomstance" ? So yes, if the victim OR the rapist is drunk, it's more serious than without alcohol, and that is the law (in my country at least). So that means something.
And in this particular situation, YJ wouldn't have used alcohol to have sex with XS if XS was really willing to have sex with him. That means something too : that means that he needed XS hasn't a perfectly clear spirit before doing it. And even if someone loves another one, and wants to sleep with him/her in other circomstances, that doesn't means he/she wants to have sex anytime. If it's without a clear spirit, it's not a clear consent. Even if XS remembers their night, he had not a clear spirit and that what it's important here (for example, in WBL I didn't thought that E2S2 was a rape because Shu Yi was perfectly able to push Shi De away, we just saw it few minutes ago when he thought Shi De was messing with him). If XS wasn't drunk, I wouldn't have react and I probably would have think about it a lot, because both of YJ and XS seems to have the same strenght. The fact that it's calculated by YJ a long time ago is not an excuse for me.
And the problem is : in each situation, rapists find "clues" to say : it's complicated and it's not a rape. EACH TIME (unless the victim is dead or seriously broken). And all people around think the same and their first reflex is to wonder if the victim gave his/her consent. Do you have this first reflex in a steal case ? No. Rape is the only case where we wonder about the victim's context / dress / state of mind. That's why it's so complicated in 2021 for people to really understand how rape works and they say "it's complicated, the victim was willing too". But I think we have to agree to disagree about this subject.

Don't feed the troll. Block the troll.

You're not as clever as you think you are. If your argument towards someone debating about a drama is "stop watching", that means you have no argument at all and you're pretty stupid.
But I think everybody already undestood that the first time you appear on this website, so it's not very surprising.

How wise of you ! I'll remember this kind of advice next time you complain about drunk actors.

Yeah, that's right. Let's keep blaming the victim.
Same old stories.
If you're drunk and someone steals you something, attacks you in a back alley, etc., so you're the victim. It's so strange that the only cases where the victim is blamed are sexual cases, don't you think ?
That's why it's so difficult for all victims of sexual abuse to be heard and to be believed. How were they dressed ? What did they drink ? They deserve what happened, at least a little, etc.
And the biggest problem is that everybody keep thinking that if you're not attacked with a knife, it's not rape. Everybody forget the fact that you can give up for other reasons and let the other rape you because you feel guilty (and society is very talented to make women feel guilty about the fact that they "owe" sex to men, and if they refuse, they're not funny). Because guilt is deep in our education. Or when it happens, you don't really understand what's happening, you are afraid because you learnt at a very young age that men's right are more important than women's right. And the fact that it's 2 men here doesn't change the fact that this story is made specially for a female audience who will believe that if its a "sweet rape", it's not rape.
Sorry but no.
Disguting.
Even if you love your partner, if you are drunk and he's not, it's a non-consent situation. That's a fact.
But i guess the law isn't the same in all countries.

Yeah, I didn't really understand that.
First, the subtitles were a little too speed for me and second, I thought it was badly translated, but you're right, this sentence is stupid. Women can rape men too (even if it's very rare compared to the other case), so it doesn't matter who is the "top" and who is the "bottom" in these situations. Here, what matters is who was drunk and who wasn't.

Yes, I wonder too what they'll do with this mess. But I think at least, audience isn't the same anymore and they show us a devastated character. But I hope he's devastated because of this abuse, and not only because "it's my brother so it's wrong". If the bond between them is the only reason he mad about it, that will suck for sure.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure they will end together at the end of the drama. Because during this scene, they put a quite 'romantic music", because I think that if they put another kind of music (a creepy one for example), audience won't agree with this pair, so...
But let's see !

What's interesting for now is the fact that they talk about this situation. It's clearly shown as something problematic and not fun, and it's good to see that the 2 others are there for Xingsi and comfort him. So it's rape and producers don't lie about it, they don't show that as a romantic situation. I don't really like this plot but at least it's done in a wise way (let's see how they'll deal with this next week).

Hello, I'm not sure that PSY is cruel towards Zhen Xuan because he doesn't believe in his love. For my part, I believe he acts like that because himself has an affective disorder and he knows that with his cold / dead heart, he's not the good one for him and he prefers to be cruel to push him away and to let him have a love story with someone who is more appropriate (and perhaps he's a little afraid too because he doesn't know how to manage a relationship with someone who is a little different, like him). But we'll see in the next episodes ;-)

Lol c'est clair ! Qui paierait pour quelque chose qu'il a eu gratuit ? Personne n'y croit en plus...

Je te comprends tout à fait. Oui pour le logo (ou le piratage), j'ai un peu plus de mal mais en même temps, sachant que j'ai moi-même été piratée sur le net, je sais de source sûre que de toute façon les gens qui piratent n'avaient pas l'intention d'acheter/de payer donc bon... (le discours du "si ça me plaît je vais acheter pour soutenir", j'y crois pas trop), ce n'est pas vraiment un perte sèche. Mais c'est un autre débat.
Sinon oui, en effet, des traductions de traductions, surtout dans certains cas (par ex. WBL, pour ceux dont l'oreille ne distinguent pas le taïwanais du japonais comme c'est mon cas, perdent des informations assez précieuses), ce n'est pas vraiment l'idéal...

Agree. In S2, our hearts were beating all along during episodes, we wondered "now, ZSY will know ?", "Now, they have to talk about it, oh my god I can't wait for next week" etc.
Now in S2, it's a little boring.
But it's still a pleasure to see our two dear actors, so I'll keep watching for sure.

Bon bah ce sera niet... Les traducteurs français exigent souvent qu'on s'inscrive sur leurs sites (vu qu'ils adorent qu'on les remercie, il ne s'agirait quand même pas qu'ils fassent le boulot juste pour la beauté du geste, surtout) et proposent en général des liens de téléchargement, rarement des liens de "simple visionnage" (bizarrement on a moins ce genre de pb avec les sites étrangers, à voir...)

Ca marche ! Oui en effet les sous-titres des History sont sur Viki, hélas j'ai pas l'impression qu'ils projettent WBL sur Viki (et de toute façon les sous-titres sont merdiques pour WBL, franchement s'ils traduisent tel quel les sous-titres anglais en français on aura la même perte d'information que dans la version actuelle alors bof...)

Ah oui c'est vrai j'avais pas pensé à ça... Je regarde tellement en anglais qu'à force je ne sais plus dans quelle langue j'ai vu les dramas et c'est rare que je les revoie une fois la trad française faite (bon sauf Trapped et WBL, quand ils en auront une pour ce dernier, mais on va dire que ces deux-là ont doit à un traitement spécial de ma part ;-)