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The trailer seems very interesting and the acting quite natural so I'll give it a real chance. But what's bother me is the "dirty" part. If one is perfectionist and the other is like a garbage, I'm note sure to be interested very long, but we'll see.

Yes you're right. Media are in constant evolution and we already can see changes in the industrie after the MeeToo case so even if it's long, it will improve.

Oh that's make me think that vietnamese BL are beginning too. Poor quality but it will improve. Infortunately, we don't have the "vietnam" country as criteria on this website and I didn't find those I just watched. But on youtube it's possible to find some Vietnamese BL with engsub

Thank you for this interesting subject about differences between countries. That's true that we don't just have a different acting, but we can observe different tropes or editings and Taïwan is interesting. Philippines too, because they have episodes with decent duration and a clear script, so the stories have a good pace and don't go in any direction (for example "Oh Mando" ! or "Hello Stranger !"). The good thing in Taïwanese BL is the secondary couple as in Thai BL, on the contrary Philippines focuses on the main story and we can see the differences but it's good too (not every philippino BL, but it's the beginning).

Hello, I noticed this facial expression too and I find it cute . I think you're right, and for my part I think too that this expression could be a little bittersweet because he regrets for not paying attention that day. At the same time he could be touched because Shi De's first kiss in the swimming pool was with Shu Yi too so it's quite poetic.

Dramacool.so... Yes Gao Shi De says during his confession "you said the one I like is lucky, but the lucky one has always been you - and you'll never know". But we don't hear Shu Yi when he tells him these words in the first place. Or perhaps it's on another platform indeed, if you find this drama with other subtitles I'm interested.

Yes. For example, something as crucial as "the one you like is lucky" is lacking... Sorry but we never heard that and it's really important for the story. I suppose Shu Yi tells him these words in the infirmary when he says Gao Shi De feels a real true love (perhaps he adds something like "so she/he's lucky). But hey, it's so important in the 5th episode, how could they forget to translate that ?

The thing is at the beginning of the episode, Shu Yi said : I DON'T want to fall for a man. He doesn't say 'I don't like men". Perhaps it's due to wrong subtitles, I can't say because I don't speak taiwanese. But with these subtitles, it gives me the feeling Shu Yi isn't really straight but is afraid to love a man (perhaps because of his father or he's afraid to be mocked by others).

I'm enjoying this topic too ! So to answer to all of you about the spectrum Sapphire mentionned and the "gay for you cliché", I would like to add some thing : the "border" between straight and gay people is a social construction. It's human, it's not natural. For example, flies don't have time to ask their partner if the other fly is a male or a female. They bump to each other, they f...ck and so they part. And if it was a male and a female, perhaps there will be babies. If not, they just f..cked. Or penguins can form gay pairs to raise their egg when the tribe don't have enough pair with male-female. So yes, there is a large spectrum in natural sexuality and our limits aren't natural but they are due to the necessity for masculinity to exploit all the other social groups and things (natural resources, black people, gay people and specially women : masculinity and capitalism go together). If the border wasn't so strict, if the limits were blurred, men (as social group) couldn't maintain their power all around the world (and the planet would be better but that's another subject).

Ah yes when they stole his laptop he was quite goodlooking

Ha ha you're welcome ! Yes indeed, lots of dramas are problematic (I don't even want to talk about Bollywood and this horrible trash movie I watched once, where the male lead slaps his wife and all the story is about she has to forgive him in certain circomstances, and it's supposed to be a romantic movie... Yeerk !) and I think it's a good thing if we can discuss about it in this kind of website because we have good examples and situations to discuss about in dramas. And you're right too about the fact that it's getting better, for example rape in Thai Lakorn is not an usual trope anymore since the MeeToo case happened.
Yes, probably "vers", or we'll never know, and if we don't know it's good too ;-)

I think we all agree about he fact that Inspector Aem is the best revelation in this episode.

On this subject, I'll have to believe you because I have no idea. But if it's the case, it's a real good job because playing a secret man who has to express his feelings without overreacting is difficult. To me, the first scene in the medical office in ep. 5 is the best proof Sam Lin is a great actor.
And I just noticed I made an error in answering you with my former post which wasn't for you, but for someone else I don't remember, so sorry for that.

Exactly. Lots of clichés, university cliché, secret love, confession during sleeping-but-in-fact-he's-not-sleeping, "gay for you" trope and no real new ideas, But as you said, it works because of the exectution and the actors are so natural. For example, the way Shu Yi says "because it's you !" is very natural and spontaneous, so this cliché can work in this drama. Nothing new, but very pleasant and refreshing, as you said. But I think it's due too to the actors'age. They are 25 and 26, and familiar with showbusiness, so I think it's easier for them to play and to look natural, than for thai newbies who are forced to play in a BL and kiss men with disgust in order to gain popularity and more serious roles... Sam Lin played in classic dramas before that (Moon River, I'm watching this one since last week) and I don't think he really needed to play in a BL to be known. Or perphaps his career was declining ? But his acting is totally different in WBL than in Moon River (he was a bad boy cliché, the one who falls in love with the female lead) so his acting had improved a lot in this one, or it's due to the difference between these two characters (bad boy / shy boy secretly in love). Anyway, it's true that when we have a good acting, the difference between good BL and... ahem... thai BL is very clear.

It's true lots of BL have this "gay for you" trope. But I don't really think it's a way to pay respect for non-hetero people. I 'd rather say that toxic masculinity is yet very deep in our brains, even female screenwriters. I'm sure that they feel more secure with a BL which shows a "real man" who usually prefers girls because a real man isn't gay, and who falls for ONE man because this one is the good one. So in BL dramas it's not a problem if the male lead who plays the "bottom" is gay because he's often seen as girly anyway and he's the character female audience are supposed to invest. But to show us an attractive man / attractive top, they have to show him as manly so he's not supposed to love a man in the first place. This problem is due to the way gay people are seen (if you don't f...ck and don't dominate women, so you're not a real man and you're a little girly too, what a shame !). It shows us how much the power of patriarchy can be problematic, even for hetero men who don't like act as cavemen.
Well, in WBL it's quite difficult to say who will be the top and the bottom so it's a little more interesting because it sounds as if we have a shy top and a courageous bottom, but let's see !

Oh yes LOL ! I wondered too how he could have pee with his handcuff ! Women always think about these details, but men don't care, perhaps because they can pee without sitting and they don't have their periods !
Gen Y ? No, you can pass. Even the "passionate" scene between 2 characters who love-hate each other is wrong. We can see how much the actors are uneasy in this scene, it's not comfortable for them so we don't understand if the "bottom" is happy, unhappy, manipulative, or if he suffers from this attraction between them or if it's a challenge for him.
And your're right about your former reply to another comment about chemistry. I never undestood why people always talk about "chemistry" between two actors. Sometimes, but rarely, we can really sense it. If people say actors have a good chemistry just because they are able to kiss without a creepy face, so sorry but it's not the definition of chemistry. They are ok together, they are not awkward, it's a good job.
Yes, lots of people won't notice these details, but when you watch and watch the same scene again and again, at the end you noticed the problems in editing. For example, in History Trapped, when it's Tang Yi's birthday, they kiss. I noticed during their kissing thanTang Yi has cake on his cheeks sometimes, and just after the cake disappear, and after we see the cake on the cheek again.
No, I'm not mad. And I'm pretty sure lots of people are like me and are stuck with me on this damn bridge. When you love romantic scene, you're a little obsessed anyway.

You're welcome ! Yes indeed sometimes you can't criticize dramas as you want here, even small details. For example even if I like Manner of death I noticed the "strange acting" of Tul but that doesn't suit to other fans who love the actor. Or the dominant attitude (a little harassement) Mark shows in Gen Y, but infortunately lots of people find MarkKit too cute to be critized, so...
It's true that under other circomstances, if the screenwriters haven't made these dialogs, I could have find Shi De's actions very questionnable and toxic. But as he's quite respectful and ready to give up on Shu Yi, it's not as creepy that it could sound. One other thing I noticed, is the fact that he is REALLY ready to give up without fighting for his love, even if his mother told him to be a "real man". So it can gives the feeling that he's a little coward. But he's quite hot and sensible too, so I'll forgive him !
And I love too when we can discuss about other things in dramas, toxic and problematics things, or editing problems (Ah ! It bothers me a little that Shu Yi's bag disapeared between the "forced kiss trying" and the following picture : when Shi De hits him, he doesn't have his bag on his shoulder anymore). It's more interesting than arguing about who is the hottest ;-)

I agree with you about the creepy part. About the confession I don't really know what to think, because we have the "gay for you" cliché but it so well said that it doesn't bother me. But for Shi De, yes we have to be carefull around silent people ! Yes in a way, as he doesn't really takes advantage of this, I keep to find him cute. But I think the producers know they can't do anything with their characters and they know that some creepy things which were ok before, aren't ok for audience anymore. That's why even the blackmail part could be creepy, but the producers are aware of that and make Shu Yi says that he knows it was to distract him (so it's creepy but with an acceptable excuse). Otherwise, audience wouldn't agree with that.
That said, We Best Love is not perfect (I already said that in a former post but lots of people are eager to say "you're wrong and I'm true and nobody can't tell bad things about the drama I looooved"). But perfect or not, it's now my favorite one.

Yeah, let's hope we'll get lots of sugar with this drama. I can't wait (well... no it's false : with We Best Love I perfectly can wait as I watch and watch again the bridge scene, so the wait is more tolerable than I tought at first)

Thank you !