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Yeah, a very forgettable story. To me it was a good surprise to see him again because I dropped 2gether and I don't remember seeing him before (I didn't like 2gether at all, mostly for the acting... And the talented Sarawat (ahem...) who doesn't even know how to play guitar or singing during 10 episodes, so perhaps it gets better at the end, but I dropped before) so I thought that the first time I saw Khaotung was in TonhonChonlatee

I'm pretty sure it's more complicated than that. Shi De would never stay 2 years in America without going back to Shu Yi if there wasn't something else. The baby is here to make us think it's the reason why they break up, but we just have two weeks left.
Two looong weeks.

A good story and still interesting, my interest doesn't lessen since the beginning.
And I think that Khaotung Thanawat Ratanakitpaisan, who plays Longtae, is much, much better than in TonhonChonlatee. In A Tale of Thousand Stars he really can play well and he looks more confident, more natural, than the role of Chonlatee.
I still don't feel any charisma from Earth, but at least he plays quite well, so it's ok.

Ok thanks

Looks like the young women isn't Asian. So she could be the baby-sitter (and the baby is Gao Shi De's half-brother, because maybe his mother had a baby with her new husband) or Shi De's step-brother's wife. Because if his step-father already has a son, and is Asian, the son could have marry an american wife so in this case there's is no bloodline between the baby and Shi De. So in conclusion, we'll wait to know if it's his brother (or sister) or his step-nephew (or step-niece)

Yeah, probably... (he could be talking about something else, for example he thinks Shi De fooled Shu Yi in business etc.)

The question is : when Shu Yi's father said "what did you do to my son ?", is he outside or inside ? He seems to be outside and not in the house, but I'm not sure. So if he's inside it's ok, his scene can be linked to the following pictures (Shu Yi looks at them, and Shi De is in the bed), but if he's outside, it's a false clue and this picture has nothing to do with the fact that we see Shi De in bed just after he says that and the producers lie to us on purpose.

You're welcome. I think this website is a good thing because we can use good examples to discuss

Hello I think we have another clue to guess if the scenes in the teaser are during present, or in the past. I think that when Shu Yi wears his earrings, it's the past. For example when he cries with his phone in his hand - he seems to be in a bar - he wears his earrings, so I think it's a scene 5 years ago, perhaps waiting for an answer from Shi De. When the father ask "What did you do to my son ?", Shu Yi doesn't wear his earrings, so I think it's five years later. And when they eat spice things in the kitchen he wears his earrings too, so I guess it's in the past too. But let's see...

Oh yes, I love this trailer. Very promising. Passion, angst, and probably reconciliation in bed. It's another kind of story, except that it's with the same characters.
And at the same time, I hate that because I was quite patient but now, I can't wait anymore.

You're welcome. And the wolrd is full of people who disagree with each others, and it's good too !

I understand what you mean, but tbh it's really, really difficult to understand and to be interested in the background of rapists and sexual abusers, when we all know (in a statistic point of view) that in the real world, 80-90% of rapists and sexual abusers are men, and that 80-90% of victims are women and children (mostly girls, but boys too). I talk about rapists and sexual abusers because in this subject, in this drama, villains are rapists and sexual abusers, but it can works too if we talk about who owns the money in the world, who has the biggest advantages and better jobs, etc...
I don't say that all women are good, and I don't say all men are trash. We already talked about that. But if we have these statistics, it's not due to chance. If it was because of "chance" and opportunities, we would have another ratio (50%-50%, or perhaps 48% - 52%) between the two genders. But this huge difference means something. It means that the balance is not fair, it means that the power isn't the same, it means that this unbalanced power leads to different kind of motives and reactions, and that mostly, we have some people who are able to make decisions, and other people who are forced to do with the limited choices that remain. Yes indeed, it can be bad choices too. But the fact is that there are less choices, and mostly, stories don't explain that.
And what is problematic, is the way authors and artists keep using the same tropes without giving us the possibility to think further about it because "BAM, she's an evil bitch and period". I'm an author. I wrote a book. As an author, I have the responsability to think further about the way I'll describe my characters. I have a responsability toward my readers. I have the responsability to give my readers some models in which they'll can identify themselves. In this particular drama, they made the choice to change the story. They made the choice to show us a murderer who is a woman, when the book (apparently, I didn't read it but I read the comments here) is supposed to show us two murderers, a man and a woman. Why ? It's not a choice due to chance neither. It means something. And we, women, are tired to see the same tropes, the same weak female lead / the same evil bitches antagonists. If lots of women have the constant feeling that this products doesn't reflect what they want to see (even in romances, which are mostly destined to female audience even if men watch them too) and have the constant feeling that the way they are described is wrong, that means something. That means a big "Stop". That means "please, think about it further". That is the subject of all these comments.
And sorry for this huuuge one.
But yes, perhaps the next episode will be less questionable. We'll see.

Thank you for your explanations. Yes indeed (I just have difficulties to understand the word entitled because on Google Trad, examples aren't very clear). On that subject I don't know, because lots of past products show us good and very known love stories, but women aren't supposed to love sex in these one before the male lead force them, and it's due to the way people think we are (men are supposed to need sex everywhere, every time and can't imagine love without sex, but we think too that women are supposed to expect something else in their relationship and are supposed to prefer tenderness, the link between the parteners, and not the "mechanic act" etc....) . For example, in Gone With The Wind, Scarlett O'Hara never liked sex, until Rhett Butler forces her when he's not sober. So I think people are more secure if they think women aren't sexually active in the first place because that would mean that they can be dangerous (and have the choice of their partner, or able to think this one is not a good lover in bed, etc.) and the world forbid them to have this choice and to take the "throne" of men who are supposed to be the only ones and the firsts to decide where and who they f...k. Choosing in the first place is a power too. And if women have this power too, that means they can say "no". And it doesn't suit to the picture of the pure and naive and passive women. But it's a very, very complex subject, yes.

I don't really understand what you mean by that. Who can't accept that people are entitled to enjoy of physical aspects of love ? (Idon't really understand with "entitled" word that's why I ask)

That's not what I said and you perfectly understood that. And you perfectly know too, that if "people just want to tell a good story" but 90% of them show us the same tropes, the same dynamics and the same evil motives used by women when women are so much complex and multidimensional than that, so it means that the writers's stereotypes are problematic even if they didn't think about it in the first place.

Yes thank you. And to answer to your other comment, unfortunately, it's not just in asian dramas. It's almost in all movies all around the world... And yes, some men are victims of this system too (gay men, black men, disabled men...). But they keep belonging to the dominant class of men in their country, so it's a problem, but it's not exactly the same problem (it's a question of social construction and how men and women are raised). But yes, it's a problem too.
And to go further, I'm French, we're are supposed to be the country with the Human's Rights Declaration (Déclaration des Droits de l'Homme), except that in french, we don't use this word. It's called... the Men's Rights Declaration because in our langage "homme" means "man" AND humanity at the same time. So the word "man" is supposed to be neutral, but it's not, and french men who belong to the elite and make decision about langage refuse to change that.
But it's just a side subject which is not about this drama, so I stop about this one :-)

I'm not english so I don't understand what you mean by BY men, can you explain it ?

I don't think writers are TRYING to say that all women are evil either. I'm just tired that they don't think deeper about the way they'll tell us a story when we already have soooo much stories which presents women as evil bitches unable to help each other. And which try to make us believe that all people are equal / equally guilty when real power is just in some people hands (mostly in white straight men's hands, but it's not the subject here because in this drama they are thai), specially when the others have to deal with less choices. The fact of choosing a women who kills her sister make us think that she is more horrible than the others, when her choices are the consequences of this unbalanced power. They have money, they have power. She has to sell sex to be able to have the same rights. Again.... Please, give us positive female characters, not some stupid weak females like Jane / Nam, or evil bitches like Rung. Enough.

I never said it absolves Rung. If you read my comment correctly, I wrote "that doesn't lessen her faults" and "yes Rungtiva is a bitch". And yes, this is a story. It's not the reality. And in this story she acted wrong. But producers, writers, scriptwriters are responsible for the picture they show us about the way the world works, and the way we keep seeing each side. Yes some women are trash. Yes some men are good. But media don't tell us the truth. It mostly give us a false picture which totally ignore the balance of power in a men's world and nobody had threaten the authors in order to make them write the story that way. Period.

yes in the past they often used the rape plotline to make the FL and the ML get closer, because they couldn't show a sexual active woman who is supposed to love sex (if she likes it, it's because the ML forced her at the beginning). But things are changing now, and it's a good thing.