But that's quite normal, different people, different preferences. For me this drama was awesome, I loved it, and…
I agree that they are trying to send a message and it's not just a zombie show. On that I think they did well and it's not unusual for kdrama (Moving had a lot going on with the same FL as this one).
It is hard for me to believe in these characters if they keep taking dumb decisions that they wouldn't take in real life. Of course we all take dumb decisions at times, but this is way too much for me. They are supposed to represent society, but they feel the need to make them act dumber than anyone would just because they need to go to the next action scene.
It's not just cops doing dumb things, it's absolutely everyone too (educated people, not educated, officers). And it's not just once, it is all the time to justify why the next scene is happening. Another example, when the streamer is made aware of where his phone is (by the way he knew because he was holding it at that time) by the cashier (who was scared to death not too longer ago), then he makes her go outside. She has no reason to accept, you can even see the phone from the door in the scene so he can for sure see it (he already knew anyway). She goes outside they get the zombie in. Next scene you have them holding the door screaming with the zombie knocking, you see the religous guy and the second cop walking pretending they don't know what's going on (they are already aware of why they are stuck in this apt), instead of helping holding the door they just get super surprised.
The brother of who I believe was the writer woman, gets bitten after hidding and opening the door, turning to his sister and being like "see I told you it was safe", two minutes prior he was running from this corridor and hidding with his sister.
So there is stupidity everywhere and this is used to move the plot to the next event. Everytime I was entertained or interested in the social critic, they f up 5 minutes later. The issue for me is that I know why they take these dumb decisions, it is once again to move the story, but it's not well done because we as the audience can see the strings (if we pay attention to it that is). I am not asking for something super elaborating, but writers do not need to make their characters take the worst and dumbest decisions to justify the story. This is why I call this lazy.
This doesn't mean that it's not enjoyable or entertaining, but I love kdrama and I know for a fact that they can do better, they can hide the strings a lot better.
No worries, I didn't mean to make you feel bad about your opinion or taste. I just felt like sharing my views on the show since it's not the same. I enjoy interacting on the site also when I do not share the same opinion, as I feel we can all learn and grow up from it. But please know that it wasn't my intention to discredit your feelings, you can love whatever you want without having to justify it! It was fun debating, at least for me :)
But that's quite normal, different people, different preferences. For me this drama was awesome, I loved it, and…
A lot of people loving it doesn't make it good, that just makes it popular. Is McDonald the best restaurant in the world? It sure does make the most money and gather the most people. Can you now see that just because something is popular it doesn't necessarily means it's objectively good? The truth is that most people don't have high expectations. What makes a good story is good writing, compeling characters, realistic behaviors and situations within that world that was created. Here are a few examples to prove that the story did not make sense, feel free to share your views though: > FL approaching infected people while she was brought to the facility. She already knew it was risky and was advised not to do that. She is supposed to be a special agent (not sure if you are familiar with them but they have special training to deal with difficult situation). She was reckless throughout the drama anyway
> The ML, a detective is leaving the witness of a murder, with the murderer in the same apt after revealing to that same murderer that they had a witness and that she was the key to this case. The ML is supposed to be a top cop, he even has a nickname based on that ability. Let's just say that no cops in their right mind would leave a witness of a murder live in the same house/apt, this does not make any sense no matter how you look at it. By the way, they were two cops at this point, I suppose they must be the most incompetent PD of this part of Korea but who knows.
> The detective after deciding to leave the murderer roaming free, is stuck outside the building (when they went grocery shopping) because of this same mastermind (this is ironic btw) murderer. His reaction was to scare the murderer while he tried to kill them by keeping the doors closed and alerting the infected with his phone. He scared him by using blood pretending he knew he (the murderer) wouldn't get infected (he could have). At this point you would expect the top cop to cuff that mastermind murderer so he can stop doing some weird ass stuff. Nope, let's just give him another pass so he can plan something else and this leads to the gym situation where he again tries to "scare" the murderer (while he couldn't have been scratched or bitten), but still not cuff.
> Voting to keep an infected inside for no good reason, others outside are infected too but shouldn't be kept inside for reasons (?!) and we shouldn't kick this kid out for reasons (?!). But hey, let's bring the paranoid guy living on his own and scare of everything to vote for this infected to stay in the building (he showed up at the perfect time btw nice)
I could go on but then it could take a while. The point is that these situations do not make sense because they are not approprite for the type of characters that were written. The only reason for characters to behave this way is because of poor writing, and they needed to make the main characters take dumb decisions to move the plot. This is how you can spot bad writing by the way, when there is just no attempt (or lazy attempt would be more appropriate) to keep the viewer invested and the story believable. Now maybe it didn't bother you because you don't know much about CDC, special agents, etc. But the reality is that it cannot make sense if you do. It's ok to like something that isn't particularly good or well written, we all do. But trying to say that it was good because "people loved it" isn't the best argument.
I was never implying you specifically had low standards, read my message again and you will see the difference. This was more of a general statement (and I was talking about expectations too). I didn't hate the drama and I never said I did either, I actually enjoyed parts of it and felt like it had some really interesting ideas and characters. Critical thinking is important even in content consumption. Praising mediocrity will just lead to more mediocrity and poor writing. Maybe it's enough for the majority, it sure isn't for me. Does that mean that you cannot love this drama? It doesn't and I can't force people to develop critical thinking or to have higher standards. But just like it's your right to voice your opinion, it is my right to voice mine and share my observations. This wasn't personal by the way so I hope you don't take it that way ;)
But that's quite normal, different people, different preferences. For me this drama was awesome, I loved it, and…
Bad writing isn't a matter of preference, unless people really prefer stories that do not make any sense. It's a matter of standards and expectations imho. People tend to have lower standards especially with the zombie genre, but this was very frustrating to watch despites some great ideas and characters.
A decent show ruined by absurd writing. Good characters and an interesting take on the zombie genre. Too bad they need to force the characters to take dumb decisions to move the plot...
Still at ep 9, I came here to read comments and trying to decide if I should continue or not. I don't feel motivated,…
You should consider dropping it then, there will be more and more violence (even a second season). If it's not your thing you should spend your time watching something you actually enjoy imho!
You can get the story in those episodes, not the characterization and the character work. If you think the show…
I did find the pacing a bit odd tbf. While character development is really good on both sides, it felt weird to get so many flashbacks for this long. Especially after the story was focused on the students, the school and how they live with their powers.
From episode 7 it became a completely different show, focusing on the past and the parents. It was important and added more weight sure but it felt a bit too long.. maybe because there were so many characters. I would have prefered less past and more present/school stuff. Gang Hoon was underused in the end because of it, same as Ki Soo.
It is character driven and it is not only action packed. You have a bit of everything including Romance which I really enjoyed. But the chznge if timeline was brutal and we stopped being invested in the student because we stopped seeing them for quite some time.
I noticed the cuss shibal first time in Glory and now it seems like everyone is shibaling.
I've been watching Kdramas and Kmovies for quite some time and it is nothing new. Always has been used though you usually see it in more violent stuff.
Not sure what the problem is here. It is a thing and a gynecologist can conduct exams for this reason. That being…
Again this is actually a real thing and it can be checked out by a gynecologist. There can be many reasons to it, regardless of what the probabilities are.
in this situation a woman who lacked education on this was told it was her fault. Because she did not have the experience or knowledge, she felt like she could be the issue and that something could be wrong with her body. To clear this up, her best friend who already knew based on these same probabilities, offerered to go see a dr. From a medical angle this can reassure the person and even make someone realize that nothing is wrong with them physiologically speaking.
Probabilities are that nothing is wrong at all with the woman and that her partner might be the reason. Of course there could still be a psychological reason and it can be related to the relation with the partner. The point is that in this situation it wasn't particularly dumb to seek professional help to help educate and reassure someone. additionally the doctor seems to be a relative to the best friend.
I'm watching e2 right now. Did she really just go to a gynecologist to get a diagnosis on anorgasmia? For a largely…
Not sure what the problem is here. It is a thing and a gynecologist can conduct exams for this reason.
That being said it felt like the showrunner was trying to tell the audience that nothing was wrong with her and that science proved that. It is not unusual in different Asian cultures to blame the women for not satisfying their partners. Pretty sure this is also a message sent to women out there who might think something is wrong with them if they face similar situations.
Did you watch more than 1 episode?? How is this your takeaway, not once did she suggest anything about his size.…
it looks like this user's ego was as hurt as the ex boyfriend in the drama. Very defensive reaction and it looks like that person didn't pay much attention to what was happening in the show.
I think maybe it just grazed his skin but asked myself the same thing when it happened. I’m still trying to…
The cops took so much time between the call and going there (if you look at the match it's ridiculous how long it was). The whole thing was weird and you can tell that the showrunner was just trying to give more emotions (unnecessarily) by pretending he was killed. There is no logic behind this and many aspects of the last episode don't make any sense.
I almost bullied myself into giving it 7.5 and not 7, after seeing how high my friends rated it 😅But nah, there…
One important thing about rating content is not being influenced and not rating based on other people (including friends). This is about how you feel, not what you think you should feel based on other people's experience.
The show really had some great ideas (and original setting) and the cast was great, but it also had huge flaws unfortunately. The whole dad thing was rushed considering what he did. The last episode is just weird (from pretending the Kim Tae Young was dead then him getting him after losing so much blood just to look at Kwon Sook and leave?!). The way they ended things with the villain wasn't satisfying as well.
New to this thread, just wanted to hear your thoughts onWhat did returning to the ring just for two matches added…
Personally I felt like the whole thing was about getting some sort of closure and being able to move on because of that. You can see that she got that from a lot of other characters (from her best friend to her parents). There is a parallel between her life and the ring/matches the entire show. In the end she is at peace and can move on without feeling like she ran away. She gave the best she could and can finally move on from this part of her life without any regrets (this is said a lot).
this drama deserves to get +8.5 rating. what’s wrong with people?
It's not for everyone and can be extremely violent and powerful with its themes and directions. I am not surprised but it is a gem if you're into this sort of stuff.
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It is hard for me to believe in these characters if they keep taking dumb decisions that they wouldn't take in real life. Of course we all take dumb decisions at times, but this is way too much for me. They are supposed to represent society, but they feel the need to make them act dumber than anyone would just because they need to go to the next action scene.
It's not just cops doing dumb things, it's absolutely everyone too (educated people, not educated, officers). And it's not just once, it is all the time to justify why the next scene is happening.
Another example, when the streamer is made aware of where his phone is (by the way he knew because he was holding it at that time) by the cashier (who was scared to death not too longer ago), then he makes her go outside. She has no reason to accept, you can even see the phone from the door in the scene so he can for sure see it (he already knew anyway). She goes outside they get the zombie in. Next scene you have them holding the door screaming with the zombie knocking, you see the religous guy and the second cop walking pretending they don't know what's going on (they are already aware of why they are stuck in this apt), instead of helping holding the door they just get super surprised.
The brother of who I believe was the writer woman, gets bitten after hidding and opening the door, turning to his sister and being like "see I told you it was safe", two minutes prior he was running from this corridor and hidding with his sister.
So there is stupidity everywhere and this is used to move the plot to the next event. Everytime I was entertained or interested in the social critic, they f up 5 minutes later. The issue for me is that I know why they take these dumb decisions, it is once again to move the story, but it's not well done because we as the audience can see the strings (if we pay attention to it that is). I am not asking for something super elaborating, but writers do not need to make their characters take the worst and dumbest decisions to justify the story. This is why I call this lazy.
This doesn't mean that it's not enjoyable or entertaining, but I love kdrama and I know for a fact that they can do better, they can hide the strings a lot better.
No worries, I didn't mean to make you feel bad about your opinion or taste. I just felt like sharing my views on the show since it's not the same. I enjoy interacting on the site also when I do not share the same opinion, as I feel we can all learn and grow up from it. But please know that it wasn't my intention to discredit your feelings, you can love whatever you want without having to justify it! It was fun debating, at least for me :)
Here are a few examples to prove that the story did not make sense, feel free to share your views though:
> FL approaching infected people while she was brought to the facility. She already knew it was risky and was advised not to do that. She is supposed to be a special agent (not sure if you are familiar with them but they have special training to deal with difficult situation). She was reckless throughout the drama anyway
> The ML, a detective is leaving the witness of a murder, with the murderer in the same apt after revealing to that same murderer that they had a witness and that she was the key to this case. The ML is supposed to be a top cop, he even has a nickname based on that ability. Let's just say that no cops in their right mind would leave a witness of a murder live in the same house/apt, this does not make any sense no matter how you look at it. By the way, they were two cops at this point, I suppose they must be the most incompetent PD of this part of Korea but who knows.
> The detective after deciding to leave the murderer roaming free, is stuck outside the building (when they went grocery shopping) because of this same mastermind (this is ironic btw) murderer. His reaction was to scare the murderer while he tried to kill them by keeping the doors closed and alerting the infected with his phone. He scared him by using blood pretending he knew he (the murderer) wouldn't get infected (he could have). At this point you would expect the top cop to cuff that mastermind murderer so he can stop doing some weird ass stuff. Nope, let's just give him another pass so he can plan something else and this leads to the gym situation where he again tries to "scare" the murderer (while he couldn't have been scratched or bitten), but still not cuff.
> Voting to keep an infected inside for no good reason, others outside are infected too but shouldn't be kept inside for reasons (?!) and we shouldn't kick this kid out for reasons (?!). But hey, let's bring the paranoid guy living on his own and scare of everything to vote for this infected to stay in the building (he showed up at the perfect time btw nice)
I could go on but then it could take a while. The point is that these situations do not make sense because they are not approprite for the type of characters that were written. The only reason for characters to behave this way is because of poor writing, and they needed to make the main characters take dumb decisions to move the plot. This is how you can spot bad writing by the way, when there is just no attempt (or lazy attempt would be more appropriate) to keep the viewer invested and the story believable. Now maybe it didn't bother you because you don't know much about CDC, special agents, etc. But the reality is that it cannot make sense if you do. It's ok to like something that isn't particularly good or well written, we all do. But trying to say that it was good because "people loved it" isn't the best argument.
I was never implying you specifically had low standards, read my message again and you will see the difference. This was more of a general statement (and I was talking about expectations too). I didn't hate the drama and I never said I did either, I actually enjoyed parts of it and felt like it had some really interesting ideas and characters. Critical thinking is important even in content consumption. Praising mediocrity will just lead to more mediocrity and poor writing. Maybe it's enough for the majority, it sure isn't for me. Does that mean that you cannot love this drama? It doesn't and I can't force people to develop critical thinking or to have higher standards. But just like it's your right to voice your opinion, it is my right to voice mine and share my observations. This wasn't personal by the way so I hope you don't take it that way ;)
From episode 7 it became a completely different show, focusing on the past and the parents. It was important and added more weight sure but it felt a bit too long.. maybe because there were so many characters. I would have prefered less past and more present/school stuff. Gang Hoon was underused in the end because of it, same as Ki Soo.
It is character driven and it is not only action packed. You have a bit of everything including Romance which I really enjoyed. But the chznge if timeline was brutal and we stopped being invested in the student because we stopped seeing them for quite some time.
in this situation a woman who lacked education on this was told it was her fault. Because she did not have the experience or knowledge, she felt like she could be the issue and that something could be wrong with her body. To clear this up, her best friend who already knew based on these same probabilities, offerered to go see a dr. From a medical angle this can reassure the person and even make someone realize that nothing is wrong with them physiologically speaking.
Probabilities are that nothing is wrong at all with the woman and that her partner might be the reason. Of course there could still be a psychological reason and it can be related to the relation with the partner. The point is that in this situation it wasn't particularly dumb to seek professional help to help educate and reassure someone. additionally the doctor seems to be a relative to the best friend.
That being said it felt like the showrunner was trying to tell the audience that nothing was wrong with her and that science proved that. It is not unusual in different Asian cultures to blame the women for not satisfying their partners. Pretty sure this is also a message sent to women out there who might think something is wrong with them if they face similar situations.
The show really had some great ideas (and original setting) and the cast was great, but it also had huge flaws unfortunately. The whole dad thing was rushed considering what he did. The last episode is just weird (from pretending the Kim Tae Young was dead then him getting him after losing so much blood just to look at Kwon Sook and leave?!). The way they ended things with the villain wasn't satisfying as well.
Still worth a watch imho.