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Good god, what the hell are you babbling about, not liking to work? How about you being too lazy to do the simple task of copying and pasting links to support this hysterical position you've taken? I did finally google as you should know by the fact that I found and watched some vids about your fan-service obsession. You're a mess.

I'm relocating to Long Island next Saturday. :D

Where do you live, soribee?

I started watching this show once a year ago or so...and gave up on it; just didn't draw me in. I just now watched the PreeBo cut on YT and I'm glad I did though it was certainly sad.

Amusingly, I watched this only because some hysterical commenter in another BL thread came unglued over an alleged MewArt fan-service scandal that he thinks is the end of the universe or something. So I watched Art's sniffling/weepy Youtube video and watched this PreeBo cut out of curiosity after that. And THAT, folks, is how fan-service works to draw people to watch these shows. Which is partly why I stay away from it and all other promo stuff, but mostly because the whole phenomenon and the drama surrounding it is just stupid.

As an aside, regardless of what went before, I think it was a mistake on Art's part to record and post that video. There is NOTHING to be gained by trying to play the social media game whether you're the good guy or the bad guy; it can only make things worse and prolong the drama. But then, maybe that's exactly why Art made the video. Maybe his publicist and someone from the marketing department were sitting right off-camera as he whimpered and slobbered his way through that embarrassing display. I would have advised him to stay silent and only say positive things or nothing at all about it to the press and public.

Apparently this cut of WTD? does not make clear whatever was or was not going on between Pree and some Pop dude, correct? So with that in mind, these are my thoughts, which are in the spoiler post below this one.

REALLY ended up not liking the Rambo character at all, handsome as he is. He is the type of person who only really cries HARD when they've been driven to it by their own actions, and not because he did wrong or is remorseful, but because he got caught and couldn't find a way to lie his way out of it at long last. Bo cries hard, as he did at the doctors office after Pree left and again when they meet for the last time, because he has finally hit a brick wall and can no longer deceive Pree into loving him, but because he feels sorry for himself.

Rambo also lies constantly, which is annoying enough, but he's the type that keeps coming around crying after he gets caught at his lies and begging to reconcile, but never really convincingly says "I'm sorry. I would do anything to have you back. It will never happen again." Nor does he seem to make any changes in his behavior or circumstances to indicate his remorse. He claims to want to marry Pree later on, but he hasn't dumped the fiancee, he hasn't told his dad to stuff it and he he's keeping appointments to be fitted for a suit for his straight wedding. Seriously, wtf?

Finally, to me, when a character pulls something like the bareback sex Rambo had with that PentPig guy over the pool table while he was supposedly still pining for Pree, while on booze and drugs no less and then lies and covers THAT up, I lose all sympathy. That is a line you cannot cross back over with me. The final straw, of course, was lying about his sexual behavior to Pree and putting HIM at risk of HIV and god knows what else. Rambo is that kind of strange BL character who touches my fatherly instincts as well as my horny ones, and who I want to root for, but has this dark side they make no attempt to overcome and thus loses my respect and sympathy.

I wish the cut I saw would have shown more about what brought them together in the first place, because I kept wondering what Pree saw in Rambo in the first place, and I don't think it was just as a hot piece of ass, which apparently he is.

So...I guess Pree is a steward also? Given Mew's natural studly demeanor, I just assumed his character in this would be a pilot. I think that would have given the story another layer of possibility too.

Art can certainly turn on the waterworks when it's called for, but something about the way he cries makes it seem fake to me. He hangs his mouth open like he's had a stroke and squishes his eyes shut. I found him to be a pretty good actor overall, but I'd like to see him in another kind of role to see what he can do other than all this whimpering and sniffling stuff I saw so much of in the 90-minute PreeBo cut I watched.

OK, so I sussed out what your MewArt drama was all about. I never paid attention because 1: I don't generally watch BL promotional videos because they are generally boring and stupid and you can't necessarily believe a word anyone says in them. 2. I don't believe fan service flirting is genuine or harmful; it just gives the ladies something to squeal about. 3. I like to watch my films/series with a mind uncluttered with information about the actors' personal lives, which have nothing to do with what I see on screen. 4. I tried, but failed, to watch What the Duck because it bored me to tears.

All we have is weepy, unprovable allegations from Art that an attempt was made by Mew to "forcibly kiss" him at Mew's home. Apparently the alleged kiss failed to take place because Art resisted and that was that. Then we have lots of video of Mew attempting to flirt and kiss through it all during promotional events, while Art seems put-off by it. Some people seem to believe these incidents and the tiny storm of drama among the fujoshis resulting from them, have caused Art's career to stall out.

My take: I think it's weird to take a role in a BL that requires smooching and physical contact, and then react to that same contact during promo events as though you've been jolted by a bolt of electricity. If you hate guy-on-guy contact that much, and can't be a good sport about it, then maybe don't take gay roles, especially if your contract requires fan service. No one put a gun to this dude's head.

If you object to your acting partner's public behavior, have a very serious face-to-face about it and let him know you won't tolerate it. Also talk to your production company and let them know your position. After that, if the kissing/hugging attempts continue, then man-up and punch the guy in the face. That should get the clicks and social media going crazy and give your show and your career a boost of publicity.

Finally, we don't know shit about what ACTUALLY went down between these two, so I refuse to pretend that I do. I don't think it's a big deal. I think Art needs to focus on his acting and auditions if that's what he wants to continue doing, and Mew should do the same. I think YOU should get a life and worry about what you need to be doing. BL fan service is not rape or sexual harrassment or extortion and accusations you can't prove don't make it so.

I would also recommend that Art lighten the fuck up and quit crying on social media about some other guy trying to give him a fucking kiss as though he was nearly murdered or something. What a shit-load of nothing.

What are you talking about the "story of mew and art?" is this a BL series or what? Why can't you provide a simple fucking link? If you are suggesting some drama or series itself is evidence of some evil fantasy of fan service you've dreamed up, I'm going to be pissed. lol

As for the rest of your comment, you are clearly losing it and need to see a therapist. Yes, I live in Utopia, I never investigate things, blah, blah, blah, yeah, yeah, yeah... Seems to me you THINK you investigate things but actually do not, imagining fantasies derived from series and fan service videos, NONE of which you are willing to give me a freaking link to. We can't "talk about it" because you have yet to provide evidence of what "it" is. Jesus.

Seek mental health counseling.

You are conflating fan service with sexual harrassment, sexual assault and actors being required to adhere to unreasonably rigorous physical standards. So that's at least THREE different issues. Fan service is not in the same category as the other two, one of which involves unlawful activity.

Do you seriously want LAWS that ban production companies from requiring fan service as part of promotional activities? If so, that is beyond absurd. We don't need the government sticking its nose into every nook and cranny of society when it should butt out.

You still haven't provided any informative links. Where are some links detailing the horrors that were dealt to Art and Mew? It sounds like that for someone who claims to hate fan service so much, you certainly watch a lot of it.

Can you provide some links to articles/stories/facts about this supposed fan service problem and how it is destroying so many lives? And do, comments by randos on the Internet do not count as evidence.

Laughing my ass off that you just actually compared this to the "me too" movement, omg. You are comparing actors being paid to act flirtatious during promotional activities to actual sexual extortion, drugging, and even rape. Seriously?

This will never stop being a thing, so I suggest you stop watching BL promotional activities and reading about them, or that you accept it and worry about something else. lol

"I think it's not OK to do that to the actors..." Then the actors can find another line of work if it's such a big deal, which it's not. No one is "forcing" them. If a contract requires it, then they can refuse to sign and go flip burgers somewhere.

You are absolutely right about one thing: fan service has been a part of entertainment promotion since the beginning of time and isn't going to stop, so let it go for god's sake.

Fan service doesn't hurt actors or fans in any serious way. Where is the evidence that it does? Please provide links.

So sick of boring people trying to control every aspect of society with ridiculous shaming rituals and accusations and anecdotes that don't bear scrutiny. I want to see links to true stories about actual incidents in which someone was actually hurt by fan service. After I've read those links, if they exist, I want to make the point that if someone is messed up by fan service then they have mental problems and it is the responsibility of them and those around them to get that person professional help. The answer is not to try to alter society to fit the warped needs of a tiny group of people. Doing that is impossible anyway, and detrimental to art, entertainment and freedom of expression.

To me this issue has been hashed and re-hashed, and then re-hashed again by SJWs who for some reason are desperately concerned for the mental health of a tiny minority of a tiny fanbase of Fujoshis. My take on it: Fan service is silly and ridiculous and funny and it is not going away anytime soon, so get used to it. Studios/production companies believe it is beneficial to their marketing efforts, raises awareness of individual BLs and thus their viewer numbers and collateral sales.

Since this is all about making money, not administering to the mental health needs of a few weirdos who can't separate fact from fiction, fan service will continue. I don't see it as any big deal in the first place; just one more thing for buzz=killers to bitch about in comments. Fan service is actors doing their job, ACTING, during interviews and live events. That's their job. Freaks who can't handle it should stop watching BLs.

Thanks for this comment. You made me give thought to that interpretation of orange jacket's attraction to gum-chewer man. Growing up gay in 1960s/70s Kansas was bad enough; I can't imagine what it's like in still-homophobic as hell Korea.

Wonderfully, hilariously bad. The kind of bad that is fun to watch. It's much like a short parody of "Uncontrolled Love" might look. Enjoy!

lol This truly is so bad that it's good. I laughed and chuckled through the whole thing.
Horrible writing.
Horrible, amateur, over-acting across the board. Like, totally over the top hilarious.
Terrible direction.
Terrible editing.
Terrible plot.
That poor girl trying so hard to be hot while she danced, and NOT singing in a singing contest.
The Lesbian-looking chick who apparently is straight. lol
Sorry, but the bookish half of the MC is not attractive and there is zero chemistry between the two.
Pretty much EVERY cliche in the BL handbook is here, as though the director was checking them off one by one.
Putting the evil, selfish BL mom in a wheelchair was a nice, original touch though. hahaha
All building up to that operatic, rain-soaked, junior high-level dramatic episode at the end, nicely topped off with the rich half of the main couple screaming and chewing the grass in his anguish.
Loved the nurse running up at the end with the umbrella. She knew just where to find all three of them out in the rain-soaked night somewhere. lol All I could picture was her waiting off camera with her umbrella for the cue to run into the shot and say her line. :D
omg, this was funny.
High points:
Evil former GF staggering along the sidewalk like a zombie after she got dumped.
"I will take responsibility. You are mine." lol That must have been some mind-blowing sex. From straight to proud rainbow-gay in one drunken night.
"This is mom's wish..." lol Bitch.

tbh...given the steward's psychological/emotional issues-he comes off to me as extremely damaged-it would be best for orange jacket guy if he kept right on going to the airport.

Any thoughts on why orange jacket was so attracted to him, despite his well-founded reservations? That's one of many aspects of this film that were not sufficiently explored. I mean other than the possibility that he too is so damaged by life as a gay man in Korea that he thinks an uncommunicative asshole is the best he can do for a BF.

I belong to the very same minority, my friend, except maybe I even like "too much" sometimes. There's nothing about what I wrote above that indicates I'm looking for "ordinary, sweet and generally accepted things" either.

What I DON'T like is art that PRETENDS to be weird, extreme or too much but that is actually just poorly executed and is none of those things as a result. Some film makers just like giving the middle finger to the audience, but want to be praised for it and regarded as 'edgy." As if.

I ADORE movies that make me think and decipher and wonder, but not movies that feel as if the director is deliberately being obtuse and confusing to the point that the core story is almost impossible to grasp. And it is not enough for me to just say "well, maybe this and maybe that, and maybe there IS no core story and I can just make up my own ending...blah blah blah..." That explanation is too often just a cover for artsy/fartsy, sloppy film-making presenting itself as challenging material. In those cases it's likely the story is indecipherable because the director/writer was too lazy to actually come up with one or just wanted to feel 'artistic,' so they basically threw everything on screen and said "you figure it out, audience member. And if you can't figure it out, that's your problem."

I do NOT have a problem with open endings either. Watching lots of European and Asian cinema has made me much more comfortable with that idea. I have run in to a few flicks, however, in which the movie seems to just CUT at some random point, and that's it. I do not care for that sort of non-ending ending.

You're welcome! :D

Ummm...it's not that kind of show. lol

OK...I think I finally get it. My mistake has been, and I think I've seen this twice, that I thought the guy with the limp at the beginning of the flick is the guy in the orange jacket later, but that's incorrect. The limp guy is from the original attack in which the flight steward was injured also, and which he came back to avenge. He is not the same guy as the dude in the orange jacket.

So...in the beginning, the steward has returned to Seoul once again, to find and reunite with the orange jacket guy (though why that guy would want his psycho/gum-chewing/weird/moody ass is another question. He must have been a great lay in that toilet stall). He opens his suitcase, sits on the bed and thinks back in a flashback to when he met the orange jacket guy. But that can't be right either because after he gets to the hotel at the beginning he calls in to check on his flight out the next morning at 7am, which means he's leaving again. wtf?

I'm just going to put this in my list of movies I don't care enough about to watch a third or fourth time with a notepad so I can finally understand it. Too much slow walking, gum-chewing and smoking instead of acting and exposition to be worth the trouble. The kind of flick that tries to replace story with mood and fails.