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Yes, I have seen ITSAY. It went straight to my top five BL series, though I've heard a few comments about it that make me want to see it again. I remember liking its approach to sexuality. Those two guys in Addicted are so hot...physically as well as chemically. Such a shame what happened to that series.

BL SJWs have no understanding of the concept of "seduction." It is kind of sad. What a rich area of human sexuality to miss out on.

lol I hope both of your heads are OK now. I've watched FBTE at least twice. The first quarter or third of its run-time is kind of vague and confusing because we go from the brothers being kids to being young adults and see nothing about how their romantic and sexual relationship came to be/evolved. Then it's just kind of a torrid romance. I don't recall their relationship even being seriously threatened at any point by the realities of societal taboos and norms.

I just now finished, Graupel Poetry, after hunting for it online for weeks. I can't imagine a film about gay male incest, murder, jealousy, blackmail, infidelity, the film industry, bisexuality, bdsm, mysterious smoky nightclubs, nightmares and time-flips being more boring, over-stylized and self-indulgent than this one. What a disappointment. By the time it was confirmed that the MC were brothers (they are, in fact, half-brothers), it seemed like just another edgy plot-point thrown in for shock value and generic weirdness. I'm not a fan for the same reason David Lynch films bore me: self-indulgent, over-written, mind-fucks just don't appeal to me unless there's a knowable, gripping story at the heart of it.

Graupel Poetry is a high-budget, film school senior-thesis kind of thing as far as I'm concerned. Have you seen it?

Wow. This is some intense shit. I've thought about this in vague terms, but never came near the understanding of the trope that you've sussed out. So are you saying that in BL culture, bottoming is such a shameful thing to admit to enjoying and pursuing that the relationships start with one guy being forced to bottom, thereby discovering that he LIKES it? And only then is he ready to start doing it regularly?

I can think of a lot of BLs where this is not the case, but you're right: bottoming is portrayed as being something you'd never pursue unless first being forced into doing it. And of course, if it does happen, the bottom is often drunker than hell too. Some seriously messed-up, double-back twist, triple-jump-ass thinking going on there.

Man, we need a BL starring a lead character who is mega-versatile but actually prefers bottoming, who goes out in pursuit of same and is the alpha in his relationships. Showcase the absurdity of all these twisted assumptions by flipping them over, so to speak, and making everything that is black white and vice-versa. lol I'm thinking ratings through the roof! These SJW bitches, male and female, would flock to watch such a thing because they could get off on their moral outrage AND their repressed sexual fantasies all at the same time. :D

I haven't bothered educating myself as to a lot of the BL character "types" and their labels, so as to avoid going into shows with all this pre-programmed ways of seeing and thinking about what I see and hear. But maybe it's time I did that anyway so I know just how messed up this culture is.

I have always been drawn to sad, dark, "depressing" themes...even as a child. I've stopped worrying about why that is and just accept it as a valid and useful part of who I am. I make art and write pieces that wouldn't exist if I didn't embrace the darkness to which I am attracted. However, it's important to manage this tendency and make sure it doesn't take me over an edge into dangerous levels of clinical depression or nihilistic thinking. Blessed are the weird.

I don't know one way or the other, but if not shaved it's one of the best bald head makeup jobs ever. :D Not sure why you say "you can clearly see he is wearing makeup." Looks to me as if they shaved his eyebrows at least. And if the bald head makeup was so great, why did they have him wear that stocking cap in the scenes after he returned from the monastery?

"Usually a drink, lube, and inserting slowly sufficies. " Holy shit, this made me laugh out loud, because I totally agree. I gave up the drink part 20 years ago, so I'm left with the lube and a measured pace and all has been more than well. lol

SJW obsessions with TT and especially TT2 are amusing to me, particularly because neither one is explicit, it's just the IDEAS and EMOTIONS and ISSUES and IMPLICATIONS that are fascinating. One would think that educated, thinking people would be all FOR open presentation of varying concepts and perspectives, as well as the vigorous, invigorating discussion these representations would spark. One would be wrong.

SJWs are censorious control-freaks who would do well to seek employment with the Chinese government's department of censorship and thought-control.

Bravo! I am all for step-brother stories. They are a BL tradition and there is nothing the least bit incest-y about them. It is their nearness to the issue of incest that gives those stories a lot of their power, though. And I am perfectly OK with that. This is fiction! Guess what? IRL, my son married his step-sister. They have been together 12 years. There is no incest going on. These BL SJWs would freak out I guess. Or maybe they only object to it if the parties are gay. lol Or maybe, once again, they are unable to differentiate between fiction and the real world.

I'll go further: Surprise! Real, true-blue incest happens in the real world! Not often, but it happens. And while I've never seen reliable statistics, because how, exactly, are you going to gather the information?, I believe adolescent sexual behavior between blood-brothers happens with some degree of regularity. Boys are horny and curious, deal with it. No one has to die or go to prison for it.

If anyone is interested, I know of two short films and at least two feature films, off the top of my head, that deal with the brother-incest thing. None are explicit or graphic, but rather deal with the mental/emotional/taboo aspects of the issue. I'm hoping to recommend them to SjWs with the proviso that they film themselves watching the films so I can see their heads exploding.

Hi there. I just spent a bunch of time rambling on about this same topic up above in reply to earlier comments to me. I wish I had just referred the commenters to your message here! Well said. I could NOT agree more. And the Fluke/Ohm scenario you mention would be hot as hell and just the kind of thing I think would send ratings skyrocketing.

But perhaps BL is like a weird sub-set of reality where the actual sexual behavior of gay men doesn't apply, it doesn't matter. BL gay guys, if they admit to being gay at all, exist in a universe where actual characteristics of gay men are a reference point, not a reality, maybe?

Yes, yes, yes!!! WHY do these puritanical, sex-negative weirdos read and watch BLs in the first place?! They have to be getting off on the very things they complain about. Otherwise, why stick around and take part in the BL fandom, absorbing the content, reading about it, whatever? Why wouldn't you just not partake? I don't care for most action films so I don't generally watch them. Easy, right? I don't lurk in action film chat rooms and bitch about all the things I hate about the genre, right? I don't attack and insult commenters who love it, I don't try to get the producers to change the product. I just...disengage.

BL SJWs, however, are titillated by the sexual content, probably the more aggressive/transgressive the better, though they would never admit it. THEN they get off a SECOND time when they act out with aggressive self-righteousness and condemnation in comment threads. I am woke! I contain all knowledge of what is right and wrong in sexual behavior! I am righteous! I am good an all of you who disagree with me are bad and evil and need to enter a mental hospital for treatment! (I was told that very thing by an SJW just this morning, on the predicate that Tharn giving Type multiple hickeys while he was passed out was, you guessed it, SEXUAL ASSAULT! It wasn't funny. It wasn't kind of sexy and a little edgy, it was RAPE!)

Hi Does. The interest in and passion for BL among young straight women and girls is another fascinating thing to me. It amazes me how many of the successful writers are women. As far as who does what, though: It seems obvious to me that the sexual side of any BL story would be much more interesting if everyone was doing everything to each other and you never knew how it would go down ahead of time! :D No?

"in conclusion, everything is problematic, even breathing." LOL

TOP/BOTTOM OBSESSION AMONG BL FANS
The existence of this trope in BLs has been another big surprise to me over the past year as I've explored BL-world. I was even more amazed at how the idea of this as a firm, set-in-stone kind of thing in gay male sexuality had established itself as fact.

I'll try breaking it down: I'm gay. I know about gay sex and have been having it for many years. There are LOTS of sexual things two men can do together that have nothing to do with one or the other's butt. That's part of what makes gay sex so fun. I did some research on this: As many as 30-40% of gay couples NEVER have butt-sex at all. They just aren't into it. Among the remaining 60-70%, there are plenty who do it only on occasion (like Easter and New Year's, I don't know...); it's not a focus of their sex life. Everybody else is fairly into it as a regular, pleasurable part of their sex life.

All that said, judging from the MANY BLs I have watched, butt-sex is generally presented as being the thing that gay men DO when they share physical intimacy. Apparently, gay males in BLs don't know about blow-jobs or frottage or handjobs or 69 or any of the other many pleasurable aspects of gay sex. They just hop in the sack and f**k. Furthermore, no one ever switches positions. It's the same guy on top and the other on the bottom every time.

All of this is ridiculous, of course, to the point of being silly. But it's not only about the sex, it's about everything else surrounding the top-bottom thing. The top is the taller, the stronger, the more aggressive, the smarter, the care-taker, the this , the that. The bottom is weaker, delicate, and in need of being taken care of. The bottom also tends to attend to cooking and other household chores and if possible, would bear the child of the top. It became clear pretty quickly: This isnt about gay men, this is about straight male/female relationships. Top/Bottom culture in BL imposes a false framework of sexual behavior onto gay men that is simply a replication of a stereotypical, and very sexist, view of straight relationships. Men are strong. Women are weak. Men make the decisions and take action. Women defer to men and act after being told what to do. Men eat. Women cook. and on and on...is this beginning to sound familiar? Men are Tops! Women are Bottoms! And no one ever gets to switch it up.

It's so stupid I begin to hate wasting time on it. But it is such a set-in-stone aspect of BL culture, on and off screen, that I feel compelled to fight back. MOST gay couples I know switch up in the bedroom when it comes to butt sex, at least part of the time. There is naturally a preference for one or the other positions according to what one finds pleasurable, but variety is the spice of life. The really weird thing in BL is how firmly set the writers and fans seem to want this to be, and how important it seems to be as a measure of characters and relationships. PLUS...to me, it just seems BORING to be able to gauge the character and behavior of a given BL role just by hearing one of two words: Top/Bottom!

I also keep thinking how simple it would be to write a fresh, new BL by making the MC a couple of guys who enthusiastically switch things up in the bedroom. It could be a running gag/source of interest as to who did what to whom the night before, a guessing game with the audience based on little hints from the characters. :D Just think, the guy who topped just hours ago could cook for the bottom. The bottom might go out and...gasp! change the oil in the car! The possibilities are endless.

Thankfully, I have seen a few hints in later BLs I've watched that this trope may be gradually changing and becoming more realistic. In the Hello Stranger movie, the character everyone assumes to be the top makes a humorous reference to his willingness to switch things up by being OK with sleeping in the bottom half of a bunk bed. lol. I thought that was clever. In Present Still Perfect, even though we have a clear bottom and top, the bottom repeatedly insists that he should take care of the top in their relationship, just as the reverse should be true. They take care of EACH OTHER.

There are hints in a few others, which I can't recall off-hand the titles of, that the rigidity of this BL trope is starting to flex a bit. However, I've been disappointed with We Best Love and the TharnType sequel (both of which mostly suck), both of which play up top/bottom and husband/wifey to an annoying degree. Not "wife," but "wifey." As if the former isn't sexist enough to be calling a man.

Note too that in most BLs when characters surrounding the MC play with the trope, it is always the bottom who is laughed at and mocked. It is assumed that it is demeaning and degrading to bottom, that it is woman-like, and we all know that women are less-than men.

Finally, and as kind of a side topic, it is sad to me that this bottom/top thing continues to be an issue within gay society. Exactly the same attitude is applied: if you are going to have butt sex, someone has to bottom, and it is always the bottom who is referred to as passive, joked about, made fun of, presented as somehow being inferior to, the top. This is gay men doing this to other gay men. What does that tell you about the power of the human need to establish, and hold firm to, easy perceptions of who has power and who does not?

In the second (horrible) season of TharnType, there was a sex scene in which, after a bunch of pretty hot making out, Type the Bottom said to Tharn the Top something like, "OK, do what you have to do..." I thought oh my god, it's not enough to present bottoming as weak, but here it even sounds like the bottom doesn't enjoy it, that it's something to be put up with, endured, etc. Apparently for five years Type has been gritting his teeth through all that hot sex. BUTT...then Tharn whispers something about wanting to be the one to "be soft" for Type instead that night. "Hooray," I thought, at last a little intrigue in the BL bedroom. Was Tharn actually offering to bottom?!!! Could it be so?!!! I didn't care for the way that development was staged or written but maybe it
was a start...Type seemed to take the initiative and then we faded to black...

No, you won't pray for me and we both know it. You're too full of self-righteousness and hatred for those who disagree with you to ever be able to lower yourself enough to offer a prayer to a supernatural entity that might just know more than you.

You're a prude, a sex-negative, homophobic freak who gets off on watching, and probably reading, the very material and subject matter you claim to be so offended by. Don't like hickeys administered while another person is asleep/passed out? Don't like questionable sexual behavior? DON'T F**KING WATCH BLs, you weirdo. Don't watch any drama of any kind, ever. Newsflash: they are all built on questionable human behavior.

You DO understand this hickey-giving is not really happening, right? You DO get that it's within a fictional work of art and no one is being harmed, correct? You DO understand the entire concept of art and theatre and movies and tv series, right? Or...maybe you don't.

All I can do is laugh at you and your hickey-phobia. That you think of hickey-giving as oh my god, SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!! I have an idea: Have a friend of either sex, doesn't matter, give you a few hickeys. Then call the cops and report those hickeys and say that someone gave them to you while you were asleep. Hold the phone away from your ear for when the officer on the other end of the line laughs their ass off at you.

Weirdo.

Wow, if true, that is amazing. Could you please send a link? I'll google again too. I googled before and got several articles about how he shave his had for the scenes. I figured he wore the stocking cap at home after returning because those scenes were filmed BEFORE he shave his head for the monk scenes.

Ah, the old "top-bottom" thing. Weirdly, it often seems to me that women are more interested in that issue than male fans, though I could be wrong. Anyway, yes, I have some strong feelings on the issue in several directions. I'll save that epistle for tomorrow. :D Please do not EVER hesitate to bring up any subject whatsoever with me. Usually, the more "inappropriate it is, the more I'd like to discuss it. lol

"Problematic." lol PC culture never changes in content, but the terms keep evolving so they don't get bored when they're moralizing back and forth. Seriously, SJWs are just the new nosy church ladies of the past using hipper language.

I'm so impressed you know all these details that I completely miss! :D I thought she was hit during a street race right on, you know, the STREET. But if they were on the way TO the location of the race, yes, that would seem to negate legal responsibility in the U.S., generally speaking though of course it would differ soomewhat state to state.

I haven't been blocked yet, but I've had a couple of comments disappeared after some delicate flower apparently ratted me out. So even though in the case of SD and SY, in which the only drunk was the aggressive one, HE can't even consent to what he obviously wants? lol It's been a real eye-opener here to find out how many young people are uptight about sexual matters that aren't entirely black and white.

Somewhere I got the idea in WBL that it's been a while since the couch scene. I didn't have the feeling they were waking up in bed together just 24 hours after all that drama took place, but I'll take your word for it. Which seems even MORE unrealistic to me: They've just reconciled, they sleep together but don't make love, and they aren't even cuddling when they wake up. They're about three feet apart. lol Then they chat and no one's horny, like all guys are in the morning, SY raps SD on the head and that's it for intimacy. This show is downright weird in some ways.

I discovered BLs about a year ago and probably have watched hundreds of them and Asian gay-themed movies since then. However, in many cases I started watching and checked out after maybe one or two episodes if that. I don't waste my time on shows I don't connect with or which I find of poor quality.

I feel a strong connection to many BLs, having to do with my childhood, adolescence and young adulthood in the closet. There wasn't a single day in my life that didn't contain at least some sadness/depression as a result. The universe of BLs and Asian gay films has been a revelation to me. I will think about some dramas to recommend in a later post.

I just now finished watching a film called "Kalel, 15" on Netflix. And who should show up as the lead actor? Elijah Canlas!

The film is from 2019, so pre-Gameboys. It is a 180 degree turn from our beloved series, as is the character Eddie plays different from Cairo. It is a film that starts out gray and gets darker and darker and sadder and sadder, but it is excellent in every respect. Elijah's performance is nothing short of remarkable. I would have thought so even if I hadn't seen Gameboys and didn't know who he is. But to watch him in that deeply dramatic role after first meeting him in Gameboys was to move to a whole other level of appreciation for his talent. Just superb. Actors who can so seamlessly move between comedy and drama without a hiccup are rare and to be treasured.

The subject matter of Kalel, 15 is not light and breezy by any means. But please seek it out and watch it. Doing so is worth the experience for Elijah's performance alone. Bravo, Elijah! :D

We do. :D