The slap-stick, exaggerated acting of the loud-mouth, and the camera-swoops/jerks/angles/tricks are the best part of the show. But by the second half of the second episode I was bored.
One of my top-ten BL series, but I only gave it 6 out of 10 rating because the tragedy near the end is one of the most off-the-charts evil, despicable, gratuitous, unearned, insulting, traumatizing, hateful and completely unnecessary, smart-ass BL plot developments in BL history. This kind of thing is what I consider audience-abuse. When the show-makers pull something just because they can and because they apparently have a sadistic streak 100 miles wide. This is one of those elements that in no way flows naturally from what has come before in the story, but is tacked on to the ending for the sheer pleasure of exploding heads and breaking hearts.
I consider this homophobic as well, because you simply do not see this kind of ridiculously abusive conclusion in straight films and series. Go ahead, name one. Again, the problem is not that nothing bad should ever happen in a BL, but that the ending doesn't relate to anything else in the story. It is just a smart-ass "gotcha!" thrown as a middle finger to the audience at the last second.
The stupid plot device AFTER the atrocity involving a "double" (or something) just adds to the insult.
MODC is in the same category with Grey Rainbow, Lan Yu, and other Asian gay-themed works that shattered all their admirable and well-earned credibility and beauty with a f**k-you nuclear bomb at the end.
Top five all-time favorite gay-themed films. To me, straight Shane's profound love for gay Jonathan, and his struggle to find a way to express it so he could keep Jonathan in his life, is the most profound and effecting part of the plot.
Best Asian gay-themed period film I've seen so far. Spectacular. Acting, direction, sets, costumes, fight scenes, sex scenes, story, everything is top-notch. Slightly annoyed that the straight sex scenes were far more numerous and explicit than the gay ones, even though to me the main story was between the King and the Chief, not the Chief and the Queen.
Just finished watching TT for the second time. Somehow I had forgotten that I would spend the last 90 minutes of it wiping snot and tears off my face. Remains one of my top ten fave BLs. I often found myself wishing Gulf was as good an actor as Mew, but he was good enough when it mattered. Love the dark/twisted aspects of the story and that TT doesn't shy away from sex and its many complications as a normal part of young men's lives.
Again, the standout from this show for me is the acting and charisma of Mew. There were many times I'd watch his face as he and Gulf were interacting and the character's thoughts and emotions were incredibly real to me. Bravo!
Early in ep. 10 now and really not buying this sudden Tharn/Tar ex-relationship thing. To me, Tar so far has seemed almost Autistic or Asperger's or something. There's something very strange about him and his relationship with his brother feels off as well. Plus, he's small, frail and mousy and I'm just not feeling it that Tharn would have ever been with this person, who is also quite a bit younger. Feels weird. Maybe it will all explain itself, but for now, total weirdness.
You are a moron. Professionals, in whatever field of endeavor, do NOT rely on alcohol to do their job. If they…
OK. That's it. I'm not going to address the content of this insane rant other than to say that there is no way for me to know if any of it is true, and that regardless of that issue, it would be a really good idea for you to reach out very soon for some mental health counseling and treatment. Your babbling rage and incoherence is over the top. Please get help, and I mean that sincerely. I don't even think you're angry with me because what you are expressing is so out of proportion to the context of what someone you don''t know wrote you on the freaking Internet. If what you say about your family is true, why in the world you be so hell-bent on encouraging ANYBODY to use alcohol in the way Sam did?
Given that background, I think you've got loads of justifiable, free-floating hatred and anger going on; I just happen to be the focus of it right now. Look, if it makes a difference, I make use of regular counseling myself. I have done so for a long time, off and on. Best thing I ever did for myself. Give it some thought. It's part of the reason hateful, disturbing things like you just wrote me don't throw me for a loop. I have zero control over what you think of me and frankly, it's none of my business. I really do hope you reach out for some assistance. It's not hard to find.
I am now half-way through ep. 9. Dropping in again to say wow, I don't remember the first time around understanding how deeply twisted Tharn and Type's relationship is. Just watched the bar scene with TT and the two girls in black and the shit Type said to Tharn in the bar restroom was some deeply disturbing stuff. And then he knees him in the groin? wtf?
I also didn't grasp before that Type put his arm around Tharn and admitted they were BFs to the funny couple that owns that bar merely as a setup to turn around and flirt with those girls at the table while Tharn was meeting with the owner and upset him. I mean, to plan out your mean, nasty stunts that far ahead is shockingly evil. When Type told Tharn in the restroom that he didn't know how evil he, Type, could be, I thought, "good god, you're right about that! You are an asshole, buddy."
In addition to Type being majorly mentally messed-up, what I don't think I fully understand on the first watch was how unhealthy Tharp's role in this relationship is. He puts up with almost constant abuse, verbal, emotional and otherwise, from Type. And as soon as Type finally says something kind or asks for forgiveness, you know in the next breath he will insult, berate or otherwise demean Tharp with some comment or other. And he is always in a foul mood. It's just really sad and awful. There are these beautiful moments and they are always followed by another level of hatefulness.
After the confrontation in front of the elevators when P'San sort of kissed Tharn to piss off Type and then the action moved to their apartment, I was like, "Jesus, Tharp, leave with P'San. I thought he was a jerk at first, but he really cares for you and is aching to give you the love and respect you deserve in a relationship." I am not pulling for TharnType as a couple at all.
And I do remember what is coming an episode or two from now and how it broke me the first time I saw it and now I'm just like amazed that Tharn debases himself to the low level that he soon will, all over this truly sick, hateful, self-centered, homophobic, shame-based douche bag who doesn't deserve to kiss the ground Tharn walks on.
Overall, actor Tharn is a far better actor than actor Type, which distracts me at times. They have intense scenes and the emotion and thought processes I see on Tharn's face just aren't there with Type. He has one nasty, snarly, cocked-eyebrow sneer and that's pretty much it. So they don't match up well for me in that sense.
Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with all this sickness and sexual weirdness/hotness or any of the rest; I love me some jaw-dropping bad behavior in drama. I'm just picking up all this stuff I don't recall getting the first time around. One final thing: the older brother Thorn seems unhealthily fixated on his little sister and I'm not sure if that's intentional or just bad direction. Either way, it's disturbing. :D Yay for disturbing!
I'm a little more than halfway thru ep. 7 and wanted to drop a comment here. Type just got back from the spring break or whatever at his parents' resort where the foreign white guy came on to him and he went psycho and then his boyhood best friend came out to him. I get that there's supposed to be this internalized homophobia that Type carries with him from the horrible childhood abuse, but at this point it's starting to seem downright schizophrenic and implausible. After all, he is now firmly in a relationship with Tharn, has moved in with him, they do the nasty all the time, has told Techno about it, fully understands in his own mind that he loves Tharn deeply and yet we have these completely insane moments where he goes super-homophobic, ranting and raving about "fags" and "homos" and "shove your dick up your ass" and all this shit. It seems very implausible to me that Type has come this far down this road and is yet still this self-unaware, or at least is not struggling more to reconcile those old feelings of irrational hatred for all gay people with his newfound love for Tharn and firm knowledge that lots of gay people are just fine, including Tharn and HIMSELF.
These tantrums of rageful hatred toward gay people don't seem realistic to me at all anymore. It feels like the actor is just acting/saying out the lines because they're in the script but there's no truth behind those words as far as the character goes. Type is not stupid. He knows what he is doing with Tharn. He knows all gay people are not bad, and yet we've seen no character development along those lines. You scream at your old friend "fag this, and fag that" and then go back to Bangkok, dying to see your boyfriend and bottom for him again? If that's what we're expected to believe from this character then I need to see a LOT more continuing confusion and soul-searching in that regard. I don't see that at all. Perhaps the actor just isn't up to it, and I do think the actor playing Tharn is far more talented.
Type also seems increasingly cruel, like to the foreigner who came on to him, to his old friend who turned out to be gay and others. He could easily have made a point of seeing that guy and apologizing before he left, but he didn't, and mournful stares at a doorway as he gets on the truck to return to Bangkok don't count.
Finally, at this point I hate that Tharn enables Type's continuing shame and homophobia by engaging in a relationship with him without being open about it, by putting up with Type's constant insults and hostile replies to his tender comments, etc. I get that Tharn is supposed to be head over heels in love with Type and willing for that reason to put up with a lot, but he is also a confident gay, confident student, drummer, stud, nice guy, great brother and self-respecting person in general. I don't buy that he would continue to put up with this behavior anymore. It is degrading and demeaning to him. On a daily basis, its charms would have worn off long ago.
Type clearly needs a lot of therapy to overcome the traumas of his past sexual abuse, especially now that he's gay as hell himself. That's not happening either. He needs a rude wake-up call in the form of Tharn dumping him so he can see what he'd be missing.
So rant over. I've watched this before, a year or so ago and it's interesting to see what I'm picking up on that I didn't the first time around.
The BL fans' stance on some things is to bitch about it. The greater the success, the more bitching.
Do you seriously think this little BL with six 30-minute episodes and cliche plot-writing is "big film-making" and that getting shit-faced to do drunk scenes is "how acting works?" omg...lol This thread gets funnier and funnier.
You are a moron. Professionals, in whatever field of endeavor, do NOT rely on alcohol to do their job. If they…
"Go back to sucking your thumb..." How mature of you. lol
People who say stupid shit, who write and think like morons and tools deserve to be called out. Besides, I've been called plenty of names in this thread and I'm still breathing. I think the morons and tools can take it too, don't you? :D
You are a moron. Professionals, in whatever field of endeavor, do NOT rely on alcohol to do their job. If they…
You are just about as stupid a person as there can possibly be. Yes, dear, I totally said we should shut down the entire booze industry because one Taiwanese BL actor did a foolish thing and drank heavily while on set. Next, I'm hoping to shut down the pharmaceutical industry because you obviously have NOT been taking your meds as directed.
And thanks, but I'll keep watching and commenting on the show, if only to piss you off. :)
You are a moron. Professionals, in whatever field of endeavor, do NOT rely on alcohol to do their job. If they…
F**k you too. You refuse to hear the point as I've made it, instead making up BS in your head. I don't care what you think, I see the job of the audience to be viewing/hearing the work, evaluating it and responding if we choose to. It is NOT my or your job to "support" him no matter what he does and to "help" him. THAT is psyco-K-Pop-army horseshit. I have news for you: You are not a part of Sam's personal life. He does not know who you are nor does he care.
This drunk acting bit was done at work, as he was working on a series. How is that his private life? HE AND THE DIRECTOR TALKED ABOUT IT OPENLY IN A PUBLIC INTERVIEW. Seems pretty public to me. "Nosy prick?" lol I wouldn't even know about it if he hadn't told the world.
And I've asked this a couple of times, but none of you pro-drunk acting psychos have answered me: If his next project involves scenes in which he does crack cocaine or heroin or methamphetamines, will you be rooting for him to take those drugs for real so he can do his acting job "better?" If not, WHY not? If he's required to commit a murder in a movie scene, should he do a real murder for best effect? Why not?
He made a big mistake. I hope he learns from it. I hope the director and the acting coach are somehow disciplined by their superiors. I never said it had to be the end of his career, nor do I wish that to be the case. I thought he did a great job in the first season and found his character to be interesting, engaging, sexy and with a deep, amazing voice. Unfortunately this second season is so horribly written that there's no way to know whether the acting is great or not.
Oh yeah, baby, you really got me by the balls there, don't ya? All my credibility is shot and it's all due to your investigative work...lol. You are awesome and I bow before your status as a kick-ass commenter and majestic promoter of the greatest thing ever...DRUNK ACTING!!!
You are a moron. Professionals, in whatever field of endeavor, do NOT rely on alcohol to do their job. If they…
Did you even read the text of these articles about drunk actors? There are people being sent home from the set because they are unable to function, people passing out on set, people cutting the ends of their fingers off, Kirsten Dunst being so fucked up she had to leave, people having to be carried on and off set by the crew, and on and on...and then we have you and the other maniacs here pushing drunk acting as a good choice. You're a tool.
Why would you even imply it is a legitimate function of the crew to handle out of control drunk actors? What if the crew came to work drunk? The whole thing is absurd.
The slap-stick, exaggerated acting of the loud-mouth, and the camera-swoops/jerks/angles/tricks are the best part of the show. But by the second half of the second episode I was bored.
I consider this homophobic as well, because you simply do not see this kind of ridiculously abusive conclusion in straight films and series. Go ahead, name one. Again, the problem is not that nothing bad should ever happen in a BL, but that the ending doesn't relate to anything else in the story. It is just a smart-ass "gotcha!" thrown as a middle finger to the audience at the last second.
The stupid plot device AFTER the atrocity involving a "double" (or something) just adds to the insult.
MODC is in the same category with Grey Rainbow, Lan Yu, and other Asian gay-themed works that shattered all their admirable and well-earned credibility and beauty with a f**k-you nuclear bomb at the end.
Again, the standout from this show for me is the acting and charisma of Mew. There were many times I'd watch his face as he and Gulf were interacting and the character's thoughts and emotions were incredibly real to me. Bravo!
Given that background, I think you've got loads of justifiable, free-floating hatred and anger going on; I just happen to be the focus of it right now. Look, if it makes a difference, I make use of regular counseling myself. I have done so for a long time, off and on. Best thing I ever did for myself. Give it some thought. It's part of the reason hateful, disturbing things like you just wrote me don't throw me for a loop. I have zero control over what you think of me and frankly, it's none of my business. I really do hope you reach out for some assistance. It's not hard to find.
I also didn't grasp before that Type put his arm around Tharn and admitted they were BFs to the funny couple that owns that bar merely as a setup to turn around and flirt with those girls at the table while Tharn was meeting with the owner and upset him. I mean, to plan out your mean, nasty stunts that far ahead is shockingly evil. When Type told Tharn in the restroom that he didn't know how evil he, Type, could be, I thought, "good god, you're right about that! You are an asshole, buddy."
In addition to Type being majorly mentally messed-up, what I don't think I fully understand on the first watch was how unhealthy Tharp's role in this relationship is. He puts up with almost constant abuse, verbal, emotional and otherwise, from Type. And as soon as Type finally says something kind or asks for forgiveness, you know in the next breath he will insult, berate or otherwise demean Tharp with some comment or other. And he is always in a foul mood. It's just really sad and awful. There are these beautiful moments and they are always followed by another level of hatefulness.
After the confrontation in front of the elevators when P'San sort of kissed Tharn to piss off Type and then the action moved to their apartment, I was like, "Jesus, Tharp, leave with P'San. I thought he was a jerk at first, but he really cares for you and is aching to give you the love and respect you deserve in a relationship." I am not pulling for TharnType as a couple at all.
And I do remember what is coming an episode or two from now and how it broke me the first time I saw it and now I'm just like amazed that Tharn debases himself to the low level that he soon will, all over this truly sick, hateful, self-centered, homophobic, shame-based douche bag who doesn't deserve to kiss the ground Tharn walks on.
Overall, actor Tharn is a far better actor than actor Type, which distracts me at times. They have intense scenes and the emotion and thought processes I see on Tharn's face just aren't there with Type. He has one nasty, snarly, cocked-eyebrow sneer and that's pretty much it. So they don't match up well for me in that sense.
Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with all this sickness and sexual weirdness/hotness or any of the rest; I love me some jaw-dropping bad behavior in drama. I'm just picking up all this stuff I don't recall getting the first time around. One final thing: the older brother Thorn seems unhealthily fixated on his little sister and I'm not sure if that's intentional or just bad direction. Either way, it's disturbing. :D Yay for disturbing!
These tantrums of rageful hatred toward gay people don't seem realistic to me at all anymore. It feels like the actor is just acting/saying out the lines because they're in the script but there's no truth behind those words as far as the character goes. Type is not stupid. He knows what he is doing with Tharn. He knows all gay people are not bad, and yet we've seen no character development along those lines. You scream at your old friend "fag this, and fag that" and then go back to Bangkok, dying to see your boyfriend and bottom for him again? If that's what we're expected to believe from this character then I need to see a LOT more continuing confusion and soul-searching in that regard. I don't see that at all.
Perhaps the actor just isn't up to it, and I do think the actor playing Tharn is far more talented.
Type also seems increasingly cruel, like to the foreigner who came on to him, to his old friend who turned out to be gay and others. He could easily have made a point of seeing that guy and apologizing before he left, but he didn't, and mournful stares at a doorway as he gets on the truck to return to Bangkok don't count.
Finally, at this point I hate that Tharn enables Type's continuing shame and homophobia by engaging in a relationship with him without being open about it, by putting up with Type's constant insults and hostile replies to his tender comments, etc. I get that Tharn is supposed to be head over heels in love with Type and willing for that reason to put up with a lot, but he is also a confident gay, confident student, drummer, stud, nice guy, great brother and self-respecting person in general. I don't buy that he would continue to put up with this behavior anymore. It is degrading and demeaning to him. On a daily basis, its charms would have worn off long ago.
Type clearly needs a lot of therapy to overcome the traumas of his past sexual abuse, especially now that he's gay as hell himself. That's not happening either. He needs a rude wake-up call in the form of Tharn dumping him so he can see what he'd be missing.
So rant over. I've watched this before, a year or so ago and it's interesting to see what I'm picking up on that I didn't the first time around.
People who say stupid shit, who write and think like morons and tools deserve to be called out. Besides, I've been called plenty of names in this thread and I'm still breathing. I think the morons and tools can take it too, don't you? :D
And thanks, but I'll keep watching and commenting on the show, if only to piss you off. :)
Love you!
This drunk acting bit was done at work, as he was working on a series. How is that his private life? HE AND THE DIRECTOR TALKED ABOUT IT OPENLY IN A PUBLIC INTERVIEW. Seems pretty public to me. "Nosy prick?" lol I wouldn't even know about it if he hadn't told the world.
And I've asked this a couple of times, but none of you pro-drunk acting psychos have answered me: If his next project involves scenes in which he does crack cocaine or heroin or methamphetamines, will you be rooting for him to take those drugs for real so he can do his acting job "better?" If not, WHY not? If he's required to commit a murder in a movie scene, should he do a real murder for best effect? Why not?
He made a big mistake. I hope he learns from it. I hope the director and the acting coach are somehow disciplined by their superiors. I never said it had to be the end of his career, nor do I wish that to be the case. I thought he did a great job in the first season and found his character to be interesting, engaging, sexy and with a deep, amazing voice. Unfortunately this second season is so horribly written that there's no way to know whether the acting is great or not.
Why would you even imply it is a legitimate function of the crew to handle out of control drunk actors? What if the crew came to work drunk? The whole thing is absurd.