It is reportedly on YouTube on Huashi TV channel "but at the moment, it is members only". Mentioned by Marcus, the online c-drama reporter in his latest YouTube report. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eoa7XXAckc&t=618s
Visually, the costume and hair of the "ancient god" in TLoSL look very much like the one of Yuwen Yue…
Ah, but remarkable villains are needed in a drama worth its salt : Did you watch Pursuit of Jade? Actors Deng Kai and his young colleague Lin Muran were remarkable as psychopaths, and a few other guys likewise, who all have risen in attention since that successful costume drama.
I thought I would take a pause after watching that roller-coaster one (once the relatively "idyllic" part with funny pig butchering in first part and Zhang Linghe doing a scene that gleefully reminded me of Escape In the Dark Night, gave way to battles and bloody court intrigues), but I couldn't resist temptation faced with some current ones in the avalanche of dramas that are hitting screens. I may have too much on my plate now!
I have too much there to think about another "fandom exploration" anyway. Just sitting back and taking in a relaxing (but not totally brainless) show now: You Are My Fateful Love, where the lawyer protagonist agrees to defend a young man who everybody seems to believe is a murderer! But the main story is how a pair of former secret crushes will eventually bloom into a healthy match, from awkwardly defending an unlikely e-novel retelling of their past by the FL. Am moving on to next episode, or last ones since "express" is forecast to be soon there. Although I like to balance thriller drama watching with fluffy romance stories on the side, so: what is upcoming next in that category? Rebirth is on the heavy side and Veil of Shadows looks a bit confusing in first episodes. Love Beyond The Grave is also not exactly relaxing watch.
Visually, the costume and hair of the "ancient god" in TLoSL look very much like the one of Yuwen Yue…
Yes he's excellent! Not only in that drama. I saw several of his other ones and some movies he played in. He commands attention even when he looks "wooden" or "stony" cold, although he can drop that facade when the role needs it. Contrary to many other actors, he focuses only on his acting career, not singing, not taking part in many variety shows, although he did a game one for The Legend of Shen Li.
In BTS and fan videos, he appears as a free spirit with his own goals in life and work, unfazed by rumors as he is unfazed by weather, just living his life as he pleases, playing and interacting with his vast circle of friends and acquaintances. He is not squandering his money but has invested in some businesses like restaurants and hair salons, so he can afford not to be working his life away on productions! As a pet owner, he is fond of dogs like Corgis. He is not always aloof, did not mind stopping, even while he was doing his jogging in Hongkong once, to kindly greet a passing lady who recognized him or allowing an unplanned selfies and autograph session with his Kids fans in an airport. Perhaps he can afford to be so free, because the characters he plays are complex and not the kind that crazy fans will be drawn to mob him, so he can accommodate those fans (like Chen Zheyuan did before he got too famous and became the prey of celeb stalkers). He certainly was pleased when his c-ent colleagues respectfully addressed him as "Dr Lin" on learning during a Q&A that he was enrolling in cinema PhD studies in Shanghai (it is never too late to continue studying and get another degree in what he likes). Quite an interesting person, so he's one I amused myself "fandom exploring" for a while : I don't join formally and do not stalk every social media or live appearance of the ones I "explore", just research enough in a given period to get my own tolerant idea about the celeb, why does he choose the script he does, why is LGX not working non stop to exhaustion as some other ones do: clearly he has a balanced view of his own health so he will not starve himself or be pushed into depression as some more fragile actors are, and he had no qualms about jilting a crazy addict female suitor among the many who trailed behind him. He knows how to set boundaries. He does not sing but he is himself a faithful fan of some singers. What I most reprove about him is that he is a smoker and seems to be a clubs and games addict. But nobody's perfect, isn't it? He's got a right to be his own man - I won't quibble any more.
I did not hate his character in TToR : Fang Xiewen was after all very faithful to Huang Yimei/Rosie, his first love . He had proved his attention to her in the wooing part with making the room as appealing to her as he could through learning about art that was totally foreign to him but needed for her, the cat, the confession about how he had lured her into his net... He did accept her money to launch his company and fuel his own ambitions, but he did not abandon her next. He shamefacedly agreed when she asked for a divorce after he meddled with her new teaching career plans. But even after divorce, he took care of her and her daughter, did send help so she could live her love dream with the dying artist as she wished. Fang Xiewen was very much 180° opposite to her short lived and sick dream lover, but he was the responsible and down to Earth realist who knew he was chasing a goddess who would not stay by his side forever, who would leave him although he would always stay ready in case she needed him. He kept admiring her until the end, while making sure their daughter would be able to study and live comfortably even if that meant purchasing an apartment in the capital city, hundreds of miles away from his home and work base in Shanghai, frequently taking time to travel to make sure they were alright, and that their daughter would be able to have her mother visit whenever Yimei would like to. He was the most complex character in the cast, apart from Yimei herself.
The ones I could not abide were the awful Korean mother who wanted to break Yimei's spirit, deprive her of flowers and friends (even when her son had vetoed it) ; and the über selfish first lover, played by Peng Guangyin, who many viewers liked. I was not really admiring the two other guys, the one who knew he was dying, and the too young pilot. Rose was destined to end up alone, after cutting "earthly ties", and the last minutes of her found freedom, riding her motorbike into the sunset, was a nice closure for the joys and pains of her entanglements.
Thank you again, Peachey Blossom! I have added links to your videos in an OST Discussions thread, also duly mentioning the possibility of voluntary contributions to your valuable work !
Is FL in princess agent and FL here is same character?
Yes she was Xing'er aka Chu Qiao.
But actress in PA was Zhao Liying (then almost 30 years old) whereas Huangyang Tiantian here in Rebirth is 18, closer to the supposed age of the character who was around 14-15 at the height of her warrior-spy career (where she appeared both as childlike and uncannily mature beyond her years, which was easier for the original cast actress. On the other hand, HYTT may appear as too unlined, too scar-less from battle and torture, in this sequel, same as the other leads whose makeup is really too perfect, in my opinion, for warriors seasoned in ruthless battles. But that observation has no bearing on the quality of their acting, I'm sure.
FYI.Official Airing Schedule has been updated.Rebirth will be airing at 6 PM or 5 PM on MDL from today onward.https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5285746362814328
on MDL? Are you sure MDL is a platform to watch it on? 🤭
But Okay I see what you meant.
Am still procrastinating after starting this as a taster while struggling to finish the original "S1" (so many episodes - yes I should have watched that classic before, but got sidetracked then and after news of controversy and cliffhanger, just pushed it off for "later" which may mean years for me, lol - I am not a hasty drama watcher... ).
When Peachey will add the remaining couple of songs on YT (I get alerts for those as a "subscriber" to her channels) , I'll make sure to make a last revision of this OST thread. (Do thumb up her MVs, if you like her work and the music, and visit her YouTube page, through clicking on her name in MVs, to find her addresses for voluntary contributions or explore her drama related merch :) She is an esteemed member of MDL too.
How the hell do you side with people who find it their business to judge from mob rumors? Are you a staunch supporter…
Sure went out for a breather from the toxic fumes that have spread on this page. I cannot abide with cancel culture and especially the targeting of people that are legally innocent, using trumped-up slander. Thanks for your "concern" about my health.
Oh, another question. Why are you commenting here? Your account although seeming have opened in 2024 lists only one drama still not completed, and your last updating on it was in June 2025? Although there is no obligation to list on MDL what you watch or are interested in, it looks puzzling.
I just finished episode 1. I’ve never seen Princess Agents either (and I have no plans to), but I really enjoyed…
Thanks for your opinion. I still have not made mine. Tardy to watch: I got caught up in researching the music, for which I posted some links, throwing in an unrelated one about another A Chu guniang (yes,name spelled exactly like in the drama, in Chinese characters) I will add in later the links to the as yet unreleased songs in the OST in addition to those that have already been translated by Peachey Blossom. https://kisskh.at/discussions/766289-frozen-awakening/150072-ost-songs-and-music-for-rebirth-princess-agents-sequel
How the hell do you side with people who find it their business to judge from mob rumors? Are you a staunch supporter…
btw you got the name of the actor wrong and if you believe in distorted or frankly fake videos spread by the Falun Gong and their ilk, you really are pitiable yourself for being so gullible. I have watched what landed on screens from day 1 and my opinion is firm if not popular among gullible MDL members : manipulation for clicks (which give money to the uploader on platforms, or advantages when monetization is not direct) and for political reasons in the current cold war against China (which wisely does not rise to the bait, there are enough crazy warmongers who drop bombs on girl schools, hospitals, residential areas peopled by civilians and one top crazy who hollers that he is going to wipe out a civilization or just "take Greenland" because it sounds cool!! I suppose you see who I mean. Unfortunately there is no way to cancel that one from screens and media...) Anyway, this comments section is not the place to spread rumors about a scandal that is the work of toxic haters and politically driven agents. End of interaction.
How the hell do you side with people who find it their business to judge from mob rumors? Are you a staunch supporter…
Alright my opinion is that you really side with cancel culture in China. Perhaps everywhere. From rumors. Hope you'll never be targeted with no evidence yourself, in your work and other, for clearly wishing mishap to people who have not fallen under the axe of the law. Yes, there are laws in China, just as in most countries (even in Antarctica...) , even if you do not believe it.... It is not glorious for you to uphold such opinions going half and half when you have no insiders information about that actress.
I have certainly no qualms about refusing to accuse anyone of anything if there has not been solid proof of misdeed. Especially not of murder! Of course, some may say that a woman who had an abortion is a murderer, or someone who killed a person by accident (road or else) is a murderer: there are prosecutions to determine the extent of guilt, according to the country (abortion entails heavy punishment in some parts of the US....... AI query informs: "several U.S. states impose severe criminal penalties for abortion, including life imprisonment, fines up to $100,000, and revocation of medical licenses" Beautiful country of the Free.... Although not explicit, abortion does entail life imprisonment or death sentence in some benighted God-loving states. Personally I don't promote abortion but I think women who go through that ordeal suffer enough to be pitiable rather than judged and tarred. Of course, if the fetus is the result of rape, gang rape, or such, I do understand that women prefer not to give life to the child of certified murderers and torturers.) .
Ireine Song has not been prosecuted after investigation neither for the ruled accident (nor for abortion, and although I don't think she had any, she would not be in China where only surrogacy is prosecuted) , period: she is "not guilty", i.e. innocent and slandered, and fighting back in court against slanderers, as she should.
Ren Hao in the cast ; he was noticeable in Pursuit of Jade, recently, where his character as "Li Huai'an" had been evolved from the novel into a military commandant in the highly successful drama version, who acted briefly as a guardian and unrequited love interest to the female protagonist, Fan Chang Yu, while being engaged to crown princess Qi Shu, creating significant emotional and political conflict.
And Zhao Yaoke was "Leng Yue" in the the Imperial Coroner S1 and S2. She and her partner were a nice secondary couple of wuxia practitioners there.
How is she still getting roles? Is her family that influential? Even if she haven't been proven gulity, people…
How the hell do you side with people who find it their business to judge from mob rumors? Are you a staunch supporter of cancel culture in China? Why do you believe it is her family that manages Ireine's career, is she an Esther Yu clone? (Mind you, I don't hate on Esther Yu: Shuxin is lucky to have a rich and influential family, but she is not totally devoid of talent either.) From AI answer : " No, Ireine Song does not have a rich or influential family ... no credible evidence has been found to support these allegations [of ties to a wealthy individual], and Song has taken legal action against such defamation."
When will these people seek psychological treatment for this collective delusion? It's astonishing how they believe…
I have blocked for myself some of the obvious haters on this page who appear with outlandish accusations as if they were witnesses.
Do your homework to learn how to recognize distorted videos and fake accounts purporting to use a dead person as a "martyr" to smear his country and his colleagues. Especially how to recognize the toxic hand of the Falun Gong sect with the Epoch Times and Vision Times outlets which are their propaganda arm. (Look down this Comments thread to find how one hater discloses her "sources" of news).
From Google : "Yes, Vision Times is widely documented as being affiliated with Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that opposes the Chinese Communist Party. Multiple sources, including ABC's Background Briefing and The Atlantic, confirm this connection, noting that Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi explicitly refers to Vision Times as "our media." Of course since AI answers are managed by mostly US based firms, they will not openly admit that a "spiritual movement"with headquarters in New York State is nothing else than a toxic sect. But toxic it is, under its benign guise, and it has often posed as having "martyrs". Like ISIS jihad practitioners do.
No respect when we have tons of videos showing she was involved in the murder of yu menglong. She is a madam.…
I have blocked for myself this obvious hater who wants to stir up people with lies. Do your homework to learn how to recognize distorted videos and fake accounts purporting to use a dead person as a "martyr". Especially how to recognize the toxic hand of the Falun Gong sect with the Epoch Times and Vision Times outlets which are their propaganda arm. From Google : "Yes, Vision Times is widely documented as being affiliated with Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that opposes the Chinese Communist Party. Multiple sources, including ABC's Background Briefing and The Atlantic, confirm this connection, noting that Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi explicitly refers to Vision Times as "our media."
She's the same actress that played the younger version of Chu Qiao in PA S1. I guess, by choosing her to continue…
That's true. I regretted that ZLY could not be back, despite the Chu Qiao that appeared in ep1 looked a little like her. Bur let's wait a bit longer before deciding or not to hate on her because she accepted this "heavy legacy".
So I was right, it’s a sequel and not just a re-make. But of course they make it a point to show flashbacks…
But in the first minutes "prequel" I found Li Yunrui's "Zhuge Yue" (formerly Yuwen Yue) less impressive than the original Lin Gengxin. I am not through ep1, just paused to see what first impressions were, so my liking may change. ButHYTT as Chu Qiao seems fine and I have no issue with Zhang Kaile as "Yan Xun" although Shawn Dou also had left me with strong impression of his role in the "first part" of Princess Agents 😅. Same, I have things to do, so will be back to check on the first 5 episodes that just dropped, to decide whether or not I stay on....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eoa7XXAckc&t=618s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eoa7XXAckc&t=618s
Did you watch Pursuit of Jade? Actors Deng Kai and his young colleague Lin Muran were remarkable as psychopaths, and a few other guys likewise, who all have risen in attention since that successful costume drama.
I thought I would take a pause after watching that roller-coaster one (once the relatively "idyllic" part with funny pig butchering in first part and Zhang Linghe doing a scene that gleefully reminded me of Escape In the Dark Night, gave way to battles and bloody court intrigues), but I couldn't resist temptation faced with some current ones in the avalanche of dramas that are hitting screens. I may have too much on my plate now!
I have too much there to think about another "fandom exploration" anyway. Just sitting back and taking in a relaxing (but not totally brainless) show now: You Are My Fateful Love, where the lawyer protagonist agrees to defend a young man who everybody seems to believe is a murderer! But the main story is how a pair of former secret crushes will eventually bloom into a healthy match, from awkwardly defending an unlikely e-novel retelling of their past by the FL.
Am moving on to next episode, or last ones since "express" is forecast to be soon there.
Although I like to balance thriller drama watching with fluffy romance stories on the side, so: what is upcoming next in that category? Rebirth is on the heavy side and Veil of Shadows looks a bit confusing in first episodes. Love Beyond The Grave is also not exactly relaxing watch.
Cheers to c-drama watching.
In BTS and fan videos, he appears as a free spirit with his own goals in life and work, unfazed by rumors as he is unfazed by weather, just living his life as he pleases, playing and interacting with his vast circle of friends and acquaintances. He is not squandering his money but has invested in some businesses like restaurants and hair salons, so he can afford not to be working his life away on productions! As a pet owner, he is fond of dogs like Corgis. He is not always aloof, did not mind stopping, even while he was doing his jogging in Hongkong once, to kindly greet a passing lady who recognized him or allowing an unplanned selfies and autograph session with his Kids fans in an airport. Perhaps he can afford to be so free, because the characters he plays are complex and not the kind that crazy fans will be drawn to mob him, so he can accommodate those fans (like Chen Zheyuan did before he got too famous and became the prey of celeb stalkers). He certainly was pleased when his c-ent colleagues respectfully addressed him as "Dr Lin" on learning during a Q&A that he was enrolling in cinema PhD studies in Shanghai (it is never too late to continue studying and get another degree in what he likes). Quite an interesting person, so he's one I amused myself "fandom exploring" for a while : I don't join formally and do not stalk every social media or live appearance of the ones I "explore", just research enough in a given period to get my own tolerant idea about the celeb, why does he choose the script he does, why is LGX not working non stop to exhaustion as some other ones do: clearly he has a balanced view of his own health so he will not starve himself or be pushed into depression as some more fragile actors are, and he had no qualms about jilting a crazy addict female suitor among the many who trailed behind him. He knows how to set boundaries. He does not sing but he is himself a faithful fan of some singers. What I most reprove about him is that he is a smoker and seems to be a clubs and games addict. But nobody's perfect, isn't it? He's got a right to be his own man - I won't quibble any more.
(If you are interested, you might have fun looking at my "Profile" of Lin Gengxin, results of that past fandom exploring. I threw in a lot of pictures and links, some may still be active to check them. Here is the link to that Profile : https://kisskh.at/740501-the-story-of-rose/discussions/127405-profile-of-lin-gengxin )
I did not hate his character in TToR : Fang Xiewen was after all very faithful to Huang Yimei/Rosie, his first love . He had proved his attention to her in the wooing part with making the room as appealing to her as he could through learning about art that was totally foreign to him but needed for her, the cat, the confession about how he had lured her into his net... He did accept her money to launch his company and fuel his own ambitions, but he did not abandon her next. He shamefacedly agreed when she asked for a divorce after he meddled with her new teaching career plans. But even after divorce, he took care of her and her daughter, did send help so she could live her love dream with the dying artist as she wished. Fang Xiewen was very much 180° opposite to her short lived and sick dream lover, but he was the responsible and down to Earth realist who knew he was chasing a goddess who would not stay by his side forever, who would leave him although he would always stay ready in case she needed him. He kept admiring her until the end, while making sure their daughter would be able to study and live comfortably even if that meant purchasing an apartment in the capital city, hundreds of miles away from his home and work base in Shanghai, frequently taking time to travel to make sure they were alright, and that their daughter would be able to have her mother visit whenever Yimei would like to. He was the most complex character in the cast, apart from Yimei herself.
The ones I could not abide were the awful Korean mother who wanted to break Yimei's spirit, deprive her of flowers and friends (even when her son had vetoed it) ; and the über selfish first lover, played by Peng Guangyin, who many viewers liked. I was not really admiring the two other guys, the one who knew he was dying, and the too young pilot. Rose was destined to end up alone, after cutting "earthly ties", and the last minutes of her found freedom, riding her motorbike into the sunset, was a nice closure for the joys and pains of her entanglements.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/766289-frozen-awakening/150072-ost-songs-and-music-for-rebirth-princess-agents-sequel
But actress in PA was Zhao Liying (then almost 30 years old) whereas Huangyang Tiantian here in Rebirth is 18, closer to the supposed age of the character who was around 14-15 at the height of her warrior-spy career (where she appeared both as childlike and uncannily mature beyond her years, which was easier for the original cast actress.
On the other hand, HYTT may appear as too unlined, too scar-less from battle and torture, in this sequel, same as the other leads whose makeup is really too perfect, in my opinion, for warriors seasoned in ruthless battles. But that observation has no bearing on the quality of their acting, I'm sure.
But Okay I see what you meant.
Am still procrastinating after starting this as a taster while struggling to finish the original "S1" (so many episodes - yes I should have watched that classic before, but got sidetracked then and after news of controversy and cliffhanger, just pushed it off for "later" which may mean years for me, lol - I am not a hasty drama watcher... ).
But I noticed Peachey Blossom has added another lyrics MV with translation of of the still unreleased OST song. So I quickly updated the Discussions thread, where comments on the music are welcome too! Threw in additionally the A Chu guniang modern folk song and a link to the drama trailer with English subtitles.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/766289-frozen-awakening/150072-ost-songs-and-music-for-rebirth-princess-agents-sequel
When Peachey will add the remaining couple of songs on YT (I get alerts for those as a "subscriber" to her channels) , I'll make sure to make a last revision of this OST thread.
(Do thumb up her MVs, if you like her work and the music, and visit her YouTube page, through clicking on her name in MVs, to find her addresses for voluntary contributions or explore her drama related merch :) She is an esteemed member of MDL too.
Oh, another question. Why are you commenting here?
Your account although seeming have opened in 2024 lists only one drama still not completed, and your last updating on it was in June 2025?
Although there is no obligation to list on MDL what you watch or are interested in, it looks puzzling.
I will add in later the links to the as yet unreleased songs in the OST in addition to those that have already been translated by Peachey Blossom.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/766289-frozen-awakening/150072-ost-songs-and-music-for-rebirth-princess-agents-sequel
I have watched what landed on screens from day 1 and my opinion is firm if not popular among gullible MDL members : manipulation for clicks (which give money to the uploader on platforms, or advantages when monetization is not direct) and for political reasons in the current cold war against China (which wisely does not rise to the bait, there are enough crazy warmongers who drop bombs on girl schools, hospitals, residential areas peopled by civilians and one top crazy who hollers that he is going to wipe out a civilization or just "take Greenland" because it sounds cool!! I suppose you see who I mean. Unfortunately there is no way to cancel that one from screens and media...)
Anyway, this comments section is not the place to spread rumors about a scandal that is the work of toxic haters and politically driven agents. End of interaction.
Yes, there are laws in China, just as in most countries (even in Antarctica...) , even if you do not believe it.... It is not glorious for you to uphold such opinions going half and half when you have no insiders information about that actress.
I have certainly no qualms about refusing to accuse anyone of anything if there has not been solid proof of misdeed. Especially not of murder! Of course, some may say that a woman who had an abortion is a murderer, or someone who killed a person by accident (road or else) is a murderer: there are prosecutions to determine the extent of guilt, according to the country (abortion entails heavy punishment in some parts of the US....... AI query informs: "several U.S. states impose severe criminal penalties for abortion, including life imprisonment, fines up to $100,000, and revocation of medical licenses" Beautiful country of the Free.... Although not explicit, abortion does entail life imprisonment or death sentence in some benighted God-loving states. Personally I don't promote abortion but I think women who go through that ordeal suffer enough to be pitiable rather than judged and tarred. Of course, if the fetus is the result of rape, gang rape, or such, I do understand that women prefer not to give life to the child of certified murderers and torturers.) .
Ireine Song has not been prosecuted after investigation neither for the ruled accident (nor for abortion, and although I don't think she had any, she would not be in China where only surrogacy is prosecuted) , period: she is "not guilty", i.e. innocent and slandered, and fighting back in court against slanderers, as she should.
And Zhao Yaoke was "Leng Yue" in the the Imperial Coroner S1 and S2. She and her partner were a nice secondary couple of wuxia practitioners there.
Why do you believe it is her family that manages Ireine's career, is she an Esther Yu clone? (Mind you, I don't hate on Esther Yu: Shuxin is lucky to have a rich and influential family, but she is not totally devoid of talent either.) From AI answer : " No, Ireine Song does not have a rich or influential family ... no credible evidence has been found to support these allegations [of ties to a wealthy individual], and Song has taken legal action against such defamation."
Do your homework to learn how to recognize distorted videos and fake accounts purporting to use a dead person as a "martyr" to smear his country and his colleagues. Especially how to recognize the toxic hand of the Falun Gong sect with the Epoch Times and Vision Times outlets which are their propaganda arm. (Look down this Comments thread to find how one hater discloses her "sources" of news).
From Google : "Yes, Vision Times is widely documented as being affiliated with Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that opposes the Chinese Communist Party. Multiple sources, including ABC's Background Briefing and The Atlantic, confirm this connection, noting that Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi explicitly refers to Vision Times as "our media." Of course since AI answers are managed by mostly US based firms, they will not openly admit that a "spiritual movement"with headquarters in New York State is nothing else than a toxic sect. But toxic it is, under its benign guise, and it has often posed as having "martyrs". Like ISIS jihad practitioners do.
From Google : "Yes, Vision Times is widely documented as being affiliated with Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that opposes the Chinese Communist Party. Multiple sources, including ABC's Background Briefing and The Atlantic, confirm this connection, noting that Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi explicitly refers to Vision Times as "our media."
ButHYTT as Chu Qiao seems fine and I have no issue with Zhang Kaile as "Yan Xun" although Shawn Dou also had left me with strong impression of his role in the "first part" of Princess Agents 😅.
Same, I have things to do, so will be back to check on the first 5 episodes that just dropped, to decide whether or not I stay on....