There is very little chance DoDo will even change OR be caught bc she is a psychopath functional enough to cover her tracks. Did you know that psychopaths have a different brain than normal ppl? The brain center for emotion is "blocked" and they get more rush in getting what they want and do not feel any remorse, so they will go full way to grab what they want in any way. So trying to counsel them just teaches them to FAKE empathy and con more people more easily. They are kinda ... not treatable unless their brain is altered somehow. A normal person can be turned into a psychopath by altering their brain. Yup it already exists.
1stWife changed when she "got a gift" and realized her hatred is evil bs. 1stWife has ability to self reflect, emphatize, feel remorse, and fix her errors. She can act in evil ways - like choosing her hate instead of kid's life - but she can backtrack. She instantly showered the gift giver with gratitude in many ways. She is a mixed bag, more good than evil, ignorant, toxic person, not a narcissistic personality disorder type.
Might FL's mom turn into a niceR person too if she gets a gift too and feels more secure that she is not forgotten?... maybe... Bc FL's mom looks like a decent case of narcissistic personality disorder.. she let the kid die without even blinking an eye.
Well 1stWife was too :) . If it were someone else's kid... maybe she wouldn't give up :)
Both moms are dangerous bc they seem "nice" and always find supporters, and blackmail and manipulate their kids to side with their evil deeds "to support their mother", so the kids have to 100% cater to mom's comfort, even if it involves doing something evil. In other words, THE KIDS ARE MOTHER'S WEAPONS. JiNi is smart enough to know that, and her brothers are NOT. So .. 1stWife in her ignorance is very potent as she gets a whole army of ppl doing something bad for her
ML's mom is more evil than good... and WILL cause major trouble if she finds an ally, like 100% evil DoDo.. those two can destroy entire families, businesses, countries lol Luckily ML's dad is very level and just... he picked the wrong wife and is willingly paying for it with his life...
Yes I'm liking 1st wife. I mean we can tell by now that this drama is about forgiveness so I'm sure by the end…
There is 100 more episodes, so clearly it is going to take some time to get there :) DoDo is a time ticking nuclear bomb going off soon... as usual.... there will be no peace until she is totally removed and deactivated....... and YoungerSon, married chick and her nasty rich powerful husband too... Smaller but formidable time ticking bombs are ML's mother, FL's mother, Anaconda Mai and her rich family. All of these characters are more evil than good, except DoDo, who is 100% evil. DoDo is a proven criminal psychopath. She has NO conscience. DoDo will never ever ever change on her own, and probably not even in jail.
Also, FL's mom might mess up the company on her own. But it is also possible YoungerSon cannot find any other job and goes to work for FL's mom... and then his married chick and her nasty husband mess up the company lol etc FL's mom is gonna wreck chaos any time something "hers" is taken away, e.g. Accupuncturist , or JiNi's bone marrow...
So the drama will put the characters into corners, and maybe into a very deep end.. Like.. FL and her mom end up on the street, FL is unemployed and single bc DoDo destroyed ML father's company and FL's reputation and broke up ML-FL, that YoungerSon got destroyed/sued so 1stWife's family lost everything. And all possibilities of ppl going after each other. Anaconda Mai and her nasty rich family are also a variable here.
The two families will be again pitted against each other and then forced to reconcile and cooperate, and hopefully they will start offering help more willingly, Let us watch and see!!!!!
But this young woman is like in her ... 20s? and behaves like an elementary school girl. This is pathetic. This…
Yeah I forgot she had some commons sense at work in the first company But as soon as she to to the 2nd company ... she behaved in totally moronic ways - not able to even greet the boss, getting drunk on 1st party, etc etc etc and all her "omg otoke" reactions... aaagh
FL is sooo immature... "like most drama's she'll get over that soon" is a joke. MOST? soon???
How this affects women in Korea and otherwise: no drama is just a drama. Every piece of art, and esp visual arts, carries messages and essentialy brainwashes the audience. Do not be naive. THERE IS NO NEUTRAL ENTERTAINMENT. it is always promoting certain beliefs, lifestyle, way of thinking.
This drama shows a very stupid immature women and essentially OKs that kind of woman. And we all laugh at her. So this drama really undermines what society thinks of women and also shows women how they MAY behave and catch 2 awesome great guys.
The proof is in the pudding - if dramas dont influence real life, WHY would they be censored?
I made an account just to let everyone know the following. I'm on vacation and my dad is currently sleeping in…
welcome to the club! this page had a dedicated audience, seated to watch the amazing improv comedy here. I cried from laughing so much. The comments section is a totally comedy drama on its own
I get the feeling some viewers haven't figured out who the main character of the series really is. Let's think…
READ WHAT I WROTE. I ALREADY WROTE MY ANSWER. AND I WROTE IN TWO POSTS THAT I WROTE MY ANSWER AND YOU STILL KEEP BUGGING ME TO ANSWER...
YOU ARE SO BLIND AND STUCK ON YOUR OPINION, YOU DO NOT EVEN LISTEN TO OTHERS AND/OR SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU ARE UNABLE TO READ AND COMMUNICATE.
How can you totally misread and ignore THREE posts?????
So farewell, dont ever write to me, I am blocking you now
Wow - what type of condescending and narrow minded comment is this. "Iran go back to hijabs". Are you…
Ok since you asked... Before the revolution, Iran had a very active arts scenes. Tehran had many night clubs with live music, Iranian Jazz is a thing, there was many original compositions, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf36e7w70pg Like the famous Dokhtare Shag by Mehtpouya... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOJxZAHwME Then.. conservatives took over. They closed all nightlife and exiled all musicians, singers, etc. and MANDATED HIJABS. Yes, the new government mandated the hijab following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, though it was implemented in phases rather than overnight lol says Wikipedia to make it more palatable
SO THIS DRAMA REMINDS ME OF THAT SITUATION. Kdramas just started having professionally competent and independent FLs and even gender equality... and then this super conservative drama takes us back to ... some ancient sexism. Arghh! This drama's plot is almost entirely making fun of stupid actions by a woman. Someone is determined to keep the dinosaur sexism alive and well.
This drama will ruin so many women in Korea bc it popularizes that women are stupid.
PS - And it is also worth mentioning Havana, Cuba, where communists also closed all nightlife and musicians / singers from what later became Buena Vista Social Club all had to retire overnight. Luckilyan American pulled them out of woodwork, they were all very old by then... and they recorded Buena Vista Social Club cd and toured the world and so we have that great music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bQXQIB751E ========
So since you dont even know what hijab is and what it stands for, and are rude and not willing to listen, I am done talking with you. Stop writing to me or else I will block you. FAREWELL
But this young woman is like in her ... 20s? and behaves like an elementary school girl. This is pathetic. This…
you are probably older than 20 and have more life experience. So you know what's up with cute guys and such You KNOW there is nothing there. You HAVE seen women in professional and private environments be totally maimed, tripped, stopped by sexism.
Girls and younger women have no clue so of course they are totally perfect victims to this
I get the feeling some viewers haven't figured out who the main character of the series really is. Let's think…
gosh you dont even read do you, and you call this exchange a conversation? it is a MONOLOGUE if you do not read what I wrote. I wrote one thing I saw him do bad
Since you want to monologue, I am done with this thread. Bye. Or even, farewell. Please stop writing to me.
But this young woman is like in her ... 20s? and behaves like an elementary school girl. This is pathetic. This…
Yes indeed sexism is global and has a very specific "look" in different cultures. In Iran it is hijab, in the USA is the Barbie Doll promiscuous look and behavior, push bra and heels and cleavage, and in S Korea it is that "otuke look at the stupid thing I did omg I am in trouble omg I am stupid bang bang on the wall" cringe face look And yeah being "kind" and "taking care of others"
This drams is a sobering testimony that sexism is the same as before. Here it is fed by worshiping "cute guys". It is a really good insight actually
Sexism is one of the rare faults of kdramas......
Luckily in recent years, FLs have become at least professionally competent and successful, and clutzes only in personal life. These days, there are even strong and independent FLs. That is progress
But then you see this drama and it makes me feel like I am walking streets of Seoul and what do I see... this elementary school girl in 20+ year old body as a normal thing and even admired as sociable by her colleagues at work. She is pathetic. I give her 1-2 episodes to grow up fast.
FL like this has a cheesy lousy script and does not act. MLs often get good script, more complex roles, and they are often pretty good actors BC THEY PRACTICE MORE, they have more and better roles. In this drama, both MLs are very good actors and have pretty good scripts. But the overall script plays on the STUPIDITY OF FL BC PPL FIND THAT FUNNY. THat is the scary part. Everyone knows to laugh at stupid women. This drama will ruin so many women in S Korea bc it really puts down women.
You know - who cares for Jason Burne and poker faces??? I do NOT. He should talk to a psychiatrist to get his life in order and be a fully alive human being.
I am here to watch a Korean drama. Not a cheap imitation of a cowboy movie, Jason Burne of a Japanese jakuza.
and I think ML should be ALIVE, not unalive poker face. If the drama is written well, he WILL grow up and progress to that stage he got to grow up
I get the feeling some viewers haven't figured out who the main character of the series really is. Let's think…
Uncle started as a weak immature irresponsible manchild and he even let WJ get hurt...
but he grew up. He eventually took great care of Woo Ju and the kiddo was very attached to him and very close.
Why did she pick him? bc he was there and reliable and already made family with WJ , he was such a great dad, WJ loved him and they were so cute hanging together. I remember them being outside for a walk or bubbles... feeding WJ... putting him to bed... They really bonded Uncle made a home for WJ
the Boss dude was all for show, he chased the chick, and did not really take good care of WJ. I remember there were scenes that made me think he had NO IDEA what the kid needed - and did not care either. Ah yeah I remember - HE TOOK FL OUT ON DATES AND THIS SHE MISSED TAKING CARE OF WJ. That is sooooo inconsiredate and so bad!!! He would have been a terrible father The drama was long ago so I cannot quote you specific scenes but there are there
This total cringe drama from 1990s makes me feel alarmed that dinosaurs still live in Korea in year 2026. I am totally STUNNED. This elementary school clutz FL and all the stupid supposedly "funny" plot about her acting totally stupid, and then a calm and competent ML who keeps saving her... I thought those dramas are extinct by now. But apparently not.
Watching this drama is like watching Iran go back to hijabs S Korea is very determined to keep the cultural heritage of stark deep sexism
Finaly, a show that gives me an insight of what happens to the brains of all the screaming girls (and boys) in…
But this young woman is like in her ... 20s? and behaves like an elementary school girl. This is pathetic. This loser clutz FL and then ML saves her... this is 1990s drama. This is like watching Iran go back to hijabs. I thought these SEXIST stupid dramas were extinct by now. But no... dinosaurs are still alive in Korea
This is sooo cheesy like a very very very old kdrama. so sexist, FL is a clutz constantly getting in trouble and having that "omg look what I did I hate myself!!!" face cringe. Omg so stupid!!!! SHE BEHAVES LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GIRL!!!!! She is SO CHILDISH IMMATURE and so STUPID getting drunk on 1st team dinner... woooow so INCOMPETENT!!!! THE ENTIRE FL PLOT IS HER BEING STUPID AND GETTING IN TROUBLE AND CRINGING!!! OMG 1990 DRAMA!!!!!!
this is like watching 1990s omg!!!!! the same old clutz loser FLs!!!!!! and a calm strong ML who takes care of her!!! wow I thought these dramas are extinct dinosaurs by now, it is year 2026!!!! omg!!! unbeliveable!!!! who in S Korea wants to bring 1990 sexism back - well not really - to KEEP the 1990s sexism in year 2026 and beyond??
How the heck did Koreans manage to keep this super sexist attitude the same in year 2026???? I am so glad I saw this. This is what S Korea really looks like. Good to know.
If u like this stoic cold boss vs puppy dog fl .u should check out " my sweet mobster " .also not so much…
My Dearest Nemesis Whats Wrong with Secretary Kim Bon Apettit Your Majesty Spring Fever Gentleman's Dignity is something else... soooo many, cold/CEO ML is one of the most overused tropes. There are ZILLION bad dramas with that plot. The ones I mentioned above is ones I liked that came to mind first
So trying to counsel them just teaches them to FAKE empathy and con more people more easily. They are kinda ... not treatable unless their brain is altered somehow.
A normal person can be turned into a psychopath by altering their brain. Yup it already exists.
Might FL's mom turn into a niceR person too if she gets a gift too and feels more secure that she is not forgotten?... maybe... Bc FL's mom looks like a decent case of narcissistic personality disorder.. she let the kid die without even blinking an eye.
Well 1stWife was too :) . If it were someone else's kid... maybe she wouldn't give up :)
Both moms are dangerous bc they seem "nice" and always find supporters, and blackmail and manipulate their kids to side with their evil deeds "to support their mother", so the kids have to 100% cater to mom's comfort, even if it involves doing something evil. In other words, THE KIDS ARE MOTHER'S WEAPONS. JiNi is smart enough to know that, and her brothers are NOT. So .. 1stWife in her ignorance is very potent as she gets a whole army of ppl doing something bad for her
ML's mom is more evil than good... and WILL cause major trouble if she finds an ally, like 100% evil DoDo.. those two can destroy entire families, businesses, countries lol Luckily ML's dad is very level and just... he picked the wrong wife and is willingly paying for it with his life...
DoDo is a time ticking nuclear bomb going off soon... as usual.... there will be no peace until she is totally removed and deactivated....... and YoungerSon, married chick and her nasty rich powerful husband too... Smaller but formidable time ticking bombs are ML's mother, FL's mother, Anaconda Mai and her rich family. All of these characters are more evil than good, except DoDo, who is 100% evil. DoDo is a proven criminal psychopath. She has NO conscience. DoDo will never ever ever change on her own, and probably not even in jail.
Also, FL's mom might mess up the company on her own. But it is also possible YoungerSon cannot find any other job and goes to work for FL's mom... and then his married chick and her nasty husband mess up the company lol etc FL's mom is gonna wreck chaos any time something "hers" is taken away, e.g. Accupuncturist , or JiNi's bone marrow...
So the drama will put the characters into corners, and maybe into a very deep end.. Like.. FL and her mom end up on the street, FL is unemployed and single bc DoDo destroyed ML father's company and FL's reputation and broke up ML-FL, that YoungerSon got destroyed/sued so 1stWife's family lost everything. And all possibilities of ppl going after each other. Anaconda Mai and her nasty rich family are also a variable here.
The two families will be again pitted against each other and then forced to reconcile and cooperate, and hopefully they will start offering help more willingly, Let us watch and see!!!!!
But as soon as she to to the 2nd company ... she behaved in totally moronic ways - not able to even greet the boss, getting drunk on 1st party, etc etc etc and all her "omg otoke" reactions... aaagh
FL is sooo immature... "like most drama's she'll get over that soon" is a joke. MOST? soon???
How this affects women in Korea and otherwise:
no drama is just a drama. Every piece of art, and esp visual arts, carries messages and essentialy brainwashes the audience. Do not be naive. THERE IS NO NEUTRAL ENTERTAINMENT. it is always promoting certain beliefs, lifestyle, way of thinking.
This drama shows a very stupid immature women and essentially OKs that kind of woman. And we all laugh at her. So this drama really undermines what society thinks of women and also shows women how they MAY behave and catch 2 awesome great guys.
The proof is in the pudding - if dramas dont influence real life, WHY would they be censored?
YOU ARE SO BLIND AND STUCK ON YOUR OPINION, YOU DO NOT EVEN LISTEN TO OTHERS
AND/OR
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU ARE UNABLE TO READ AND COMMUNICATE.
How can you totally misread and ignore THREE posts?????
So farewell, dont ever write to me, I am blocking you now
Before the revolution, Iran had a very active arts scenes. Tehran had many night clubs with live music, Iranian Jazz is a thing, there was many original compositions, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf36e7w70pg Like the famous Dokhtare Shag by Mehtpouya... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOJxZAHwME
Then.. conservatives took over. They closed all nightlife and exiled all musicians, singers, etc. and MANDATED HIJABS. Yes, the new government mandated the hijab following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, though it was implemented in phases rather than overnight lol says Wikipedia to make it more palatable
SO THIS DRAMA REMINDS ME OF THAT SITUATION.
Kdramas just started having professionally competent and independent FLs and even gender equality...
and then this super conservative drama takes us back to ... some ancient sexism. Arghh! This drama's plot is almost entirely making fun of stupid actions by a woman. Someone is determined to keep the dinosaur sexism alive and well.
This drama will ruin so many women in Korea bc it popularizes that women are stupid.
PS - And it is also worth mentioning Havana, Cuba, where communists also closed all nightlife and musicians / singers from what later became Buena Vista Social Club all had to retire overnight. Luckilyan American pulled them out of woodwork, they were all very old by then... and they recorded Buena Vista Social Club cd and toured the world and so we have that great music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bQXQIB751E
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So since you dont even know what hijab is and what it stands for, and are rude and not willing to listen, I am done talking with you. Stop writing to me or else I will block you. FAREWELL
I do hope you take some interest in reading
Girls and younger women have no clue so of course they are totally perfect victims to this
I wrote one thing I saw him do bad
Since you want to monologue, I am done with this thread. Bye. Or even, farewell. Please stop writing to me.
This drams is a sobering testimony that sexism is the same as before. Here it is fed by worshiping "cute guys".
It is a really good insight actually
Sexism is one of the rare faults of kdramas......
Luckily in recent years, FLs have become at least professionally competent and successful, and clutzes only in personal life. These days, there are even strong and independent FLs. That is progress
But then you see this drama and it makes me feel like I am walking streets of Seoul and what do I see... this elementary school girl in 20+ year old body as a normal thing and even admired as sociable by her colleagues at work. She is pathetic. I give her 1-2 episodes to grow up fast.
FL like this has a cheesy lousy script and does not act.
MLs often get good script, more complex roles, and they are often pretty good actors BC THEY PRACTICE MORE, they have more and better roles.
In this drama, both MLs are very good actors and have pretty good scripts. But the overall script plays on the STUPIDITY OF FL BC PPL FIND THAT FUNNY. THat is the scary part. Everyone knows to laugh at stupid women.
This drama will ruin so many women in S Korea bc it really puts down women.
I am here to watch a Korean drama. Not a cheap imitation of a cowboy movie, Jason Burne of a Japanese jakuza.
and I think ML should be ALIVE, not unalive poker face.
If the drama is written well, he WILL grow up and progress to that stage he got to grow up
but he grew up. He eventually took great care of Woo Ju and the kiddo was very attached to him and very close.
Why did she pick him? bc he was there and reliable and already made family with WJ , he was such a great dad, WJ loved him and they were so cute hanging together. I remember them being outside for a walk or bubbles... feeding WJ... putting him to bed... They really bonded
Uncle made a home for WJ
the Boss dude was all for show, he chased the chick, and did not really take good care of WJ. I remember there were scenes that made me think he had NO IDEA what the kid needed - and did not care either. Ah yeah I remember - HE TOOK FL OUT ON DATES AND THIS SHE MISSED TAKING CARE OF WJ. That is sooooo inconsiredate and so bad!!! He would have been a terrible father
The drama was long ago so I cannot quote you specific scenes but there are there
Watching this drama is like watching Iran go back to hijabs
S Korea is very determined to keep the cultural heritage of stark deep sexism
SHE BEHAVES LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GIRL!!!!! She is SO CHILDISH
IMMATURE and so STUPID getting drunk on 1st team dinner... woooow so INCOMPETENT!!!! THE ENTIRE FL PLOT IS HER BEING STUPID AND GETTING IN TROUBLE AND CRINGING!!! OMG 1990 DRAMA!!!!!!
this is like watching 1990s omg!!!!! the same old clutz loser FLs!!!!!! and a calm strong ML who takes care of her!!! wow I thought these dramas are extinct dinosaurs by now, it is year 2026!!!! omg!!! unbeliveable!!!! who in S Korea wants to bring 1990 sexism back - well not really - to KEEP the 1990s sexism in year 2026 and beyond??
How the heck did Koreans manage to keep this super sexist attitude the same in year 2026????
I am so glad I saw this. This is what S Korea really looks like. Good to know.
Whats Wrong with Secretary Kim
Bon Apettit Your Majesty
Spring Fever
Gentleman's Dignity is something else...
soooo many, cold/CEO ML is one of the most overused tropes. There are ZILLION bad dramas with that plot. The ones I mentioned above is ones I liked that came to mind first