Hang on, daezy is trying to intimidate and gaslight you. They never replied with specifics about SML that you brought up, but instead attacked you on a different topic to distract you
@daezy LOL the topic is SML and you are evading by attacking LOL very emotionally attached to the "fun" that SML represents :) you are trying to gaslight and intimidate @hazepaseast :) and then me ;)
I am gonna stay quiet here for a while - I left what I want ppl to know, and those who want to know more, go to youtube and watch Stephen Speaks :) I realized that I was taking for granted something so obvious to me but so many ppl cannot even see.... so I was talking "advanced" stuff and now I realize I have to start from very basics... So, this is the basics:
Remember, ***ML ALREADY **LIVES** LOVE, PARTNERSHIP, CARE AND COMMITMENT IN HIS DAILY LIFE***, he is good with kids, dogs, and his best friend/business partner, and he runs a successful company and has good relations with lots of customers and employees. He is a *healthy* person. Sure with some faults but that is why we need 12 episodes and FL lol for him to expand his circle of love
ML is very stable and reliable and caring person. Whoever cannot see that, would benefit from watching Stephen Speaks :)
SML has no circle of love, he is alone, he even leaves his job on a whim and gets fired, he has no sense of responsibility commitment and hard work, and he does not know how to love YET. And it's gonna take a while for him to learn it :) First, he has to want it. He does not yet :) Whoever cannot see that, would benefit from watching Stephen Speaks :)
Ciao everyone, ahui ho, so long! Enjoy watching :)
NO I REPLIED CORRECTLY TO YOU! I was agreeing with @hazepast and telling you that you are avoiding the topic - instead of addressing what @hazepast said and specifficaly talking about SML, you tried to distract @hazepast by attacking ML ... you used the classic gaslighting strategy. It is a very toxic way to shut up someone.
@hazepast should NOT let you intimidate him/her... The classic example of the strategy you used is when a guy comes home with the red lipstic on his shirt, and the wife asks him about that, and he starts yelling how she did not wash the dishes - he distracts her attention from the topic she is trying to discuss by attacking her on a totally unrelated topic, to intimidate her and shut her up This has been the pattern of practically all users who defended SML - I never saw anyone address what was pointed out as his flaws.
The fact is, there are about 11 million monthly tinder users in the USA, and there are so many woman dating "fun" men and suffering that the topic of relationship coaching is a multimillion dollar business. There are coaches of all kinds - and surprisingly most are men - anywhere from some moron Matt who teaches you how to play cool and not answer texts for 2-3 days, all the way to legitimate coaches like Stephen Speaks.
Search for Stephen Speaks videos on youtube.
And good luck to anyone dating Ji Su LOL What he needs to heal is very huge and is going to take a loooong time. Ppl saying he was attentive and a great guy is just LOL I am really amused and I learned a lot about ppl from this. Ji Su is going to get some lessons from FL and ML and then it will probably take him some years to live those lessons to soak them in before he can BE da man to someone. I think finding ML and FL was a stroke of luck in his life to speed up his process, bc both ML and FL are very honest and dependable and kind, so they will hold the mirror for him with compassion and brutal honesty, and also will model healthy behaviors. Getting someone drunk to bag them, and stalking them getting a job close by, are NOT the methods to use in a proper relationship LOL But it is going to take a LOT of time for Ji Su to heal and grow up. Bc he doesnt even want to :)
FL is just a new and interesting experience for him so he is curious. SML has no desire to find a true love and live with her forever. In fact, as FL so astutely observed, he does not like her.
======================================================== Dating ML is NOT going to be possible until the old stray dog gets tamed LOL bc he doesnt trust and he bites bc he was beaten - and some of it was his own fault, he picked a cold but glam beautiful woman so he vegetated for years at the cold distant state - but he is overall a healthy dog and will be tamed relatively easily. FL has the magic touch and is exactly what that stray needs. She is the future "owner" for life.
The clue: ML is good with kids, dogs and with his best friend and partner. That man DOES know ALREADY how to love and partner up and he already lives it, every day. He is a low hanging fruit to pick :)
But he needs to expand his circle of love to include a woman - and only a very very good, kind, loving, HONEST, trustworthy woman will do for him. Remember, he likes kids, dogs, Nature and art. He is a cuddly doggie
Oh I see, the word "player" means someone with many woman. OK, I will rephrase that. ML and FL showed…
I think I wrote that at the end of their first date, SHE said she wanted to go home and totally refused his offer to drive her and to schedule the next date. So she essentially dumped him. So you expect him to call her after she said HECK NO???? She had to call him first to indicate that she didnt mean it... and she did not. Also you are totally forgetting the fact that she felt like she fell in love with him on the 1st date. And how come the church kiss and he jumping on the train etc does not count... ??? I dont have time to talk more about this if you already have your opinion on this and are unwilling to actually WATCH the drama
Hey, the drama is soaked in romance... FL and ALbert even went on dates... Shin andNora too... Then we have crushes,…
Oh then you missed the sweet :) Like him coming to the dorm and she rushing to help him, then he begging her; or her lingering around his desk and swooning, which Albert noticed... There was definitely sweet, and yes longing and nostalgia, as signs of love - but love that was tabled LOL as not realizable LOL Even their last good bye was a little too sticky - he didnt want it to be a farewell, adn she looked him in the eye smiled sweetly and extended her hand to shake... It was too ... sweet LOL but it was clear it was a clear ending. UNLESS he magically totally completely reforms, he is out. I hope some great Mr Right comes along :) I think Hong would like that bc she was so flattered with Albert
they were too busy doing the work, there was no time for romance :) but ... after all the work is done... some…
He had no chance... bc they were so busy with the work, ML was right there, and FL kept him an arms away... their last goodbye meeting is clearly her message "dont even think of opening your mouth to talk about romance, kiddo, Bye" She never even looked him in the eye
ML and FL showed active and spontaneous - remember the bike and the rain.. and their kiss? and the train ride? Or the blurt to Ji Su in the bar... ? What is that?
NOW let's see who says that ML is passive, stiff, not adventuresome, etc. Really, which drama are you watching? Let s go through the list of hot, active, adventuresome and spontaeous things ML did: ML PUTS HIMSELF ON THE LINE BY CLEARLY AND HONESTLY EXPRESSING HIS FEELINGS FOR FL - honest during date #1 - clearly said he is not interested in dating for fun and sleeping around but leading to marriage - that's active and ... adventuresome and spontaneous, to say that so openly LOL and if you are a woman interested in long term, it is very hot too - did not push her when she said I AM GOING HOME ALONE - ie. she politely told him "I dont want to see your face get off me NOW!!!!" - so of course it was HER turn to call him for the 2nd date, not his... ! But, when he did run again at her and she seemed agreeable, THEN he said he will call her - that is active and spontaneous - openly confessed and swooned her on that night under the stars... He was so suave and so poetic... romantic, hot, adventuresome, spontaneous - went out in rain to look for her - that's also hot, adventuresome, spontaneous - offered to sit next to her and dry her hair .... and that steamy scene after..... the two SPONTANEOUSLY combusting next to each other ..... that's not two ckynky ppl.. but two ... hot people buring... ... so that was hot, romantic, adventuresome, and spontaneous .... .... and staying there to sleep - and sitting through the whole parade shame orderal being found out LOL - jumping on that train to sit next to her and take a nap on her shoulder - that was hot, romantic, adventuresome, spontaneous, and RISKING himself to be close to her - then pushing Ji Su on his way and the intentional blurt in front of Ji Su - that was totally warrior deadly LOL that man knows how to fight properly, in the open LOL and he is certainly adventuresome and spontaneous, and very hot And he is direct and honest. He put the mirror to FL In all his actions, he put the mirror to FL and also showed consideration and tact
SO IT IS FASCINATING HOW PPL LABEL PPL. The fact that ML looks like a nerd, made him labeled not hot, not adventuresome, not spontaneous... but he exhibited tremendous amounts of those qualities.
So ..... no wonder women complain they cannot find a nice guy if they overlook quiet honest guys, and go for FLASHY DRAMA dudes...
I would love to take Ji Su out dancing some lindy hop or something athletic like that - he would be such a great guy for all the drama and flirting for a dance performance. But he is not the guy to take home and live happily ever after. He is TROUBLE
ML is currently trouble too bc he does not know FL and he does not trust her, and he is too wounded to be too patient. So ... that is why we need 12 episodes LOL
Ji Su is gonna do some dirty tricks for sure and FL is hormone-driven and keeps coming too close and too familiar to this woman-eater
ML is actually dressed like an IT guy.... And he doesnt move around much and is all stopped and compressed, giving a vibe of a nerd... but .. he walks dogs... camps.... hikes.. rides a bike... operates forklift.... carves wood ... that dude is strong and in shape healthy guy
He is frozen at the moment.. his heart is frozen... but his hormones are working and quickly defrosting his heart LOL He is already starting to shine LOL
two kiss attempts in one night, and one success LOL he got a lot further than SML :)
That dude is still a mean stray dog, but very soon he will be more tame, when he learns to trust FL, then he will be super cuddly
Oh oh oh ppl are so ticked off to call Ji Su a player... Oh I see, the word "player" means someone with many women. OK, I will rephrase that. We do NOT know how many women he did have or currently HAS. ..... We do not know enough about his past and present... . But... we see him trying to one-sidedly make FL drunk and then bag her.. and his comments about how one kiss does not bind ppl together... means that he easily jumps around. Don't you think?
He would have bagged FL that night for sure if she said yes. To me that is a player. He definitely definitely jumps into the sack super fast, with someone he barely knows and did not even ask for a true consent.
Ji Su plays with people'e emotions, he is a teaser... No he is not spontaneous or adventuresome as much as he looks LOL Making FL drunk and then trying to bag her is NOT spontaneous, it is CALCULATED MANIPULATION and if you really want to label it as it is, it is an attempt at s.x without a real consent, i.e. a rape of some sort.
JI SU IS IN CONTROL :) He is never vulnerable, never talks about his emotions... Never puts HIMSELF on the line... He does not come close... He teases and manipulates... And he does not take risks that expose him. And he plays dirty.... getting a job at that bar so that he can tease her is ... wow a bad move. Ji Su is a stalker and a coward :) He does not offer himself, he offers a ticket to his show.... He never said anything suave or romantic like ML did :)
JI Su is "younger", less mature, less considerate, more selfish, more pokey, for his own interests...
I will not call him player here since it means something else to ppl here - but if we find other women in his life, then... Right now, I can call him woman-eater :) that is what we DID see and know for sure. Also, I can call him immature, not serious, etc. Again, nothing personal, he is a nice guy, but as a man, he is ... incomplete, he is just ,.. not the relationship type.
===== Sure, FL's colleague is a proven promiscuous person. Wow that long list of guys in her phone!!!! looking for someone on any night she wants... wow she is something. Would I call her a player? Not really. She does not deceive anyone. I would call her promiscuous.
===== SML looks more sickly and thin urban dweller, like a nightlife person...
I do not have anything against SML as a person, he is a good person, but as a MAN, he is not a long term relationship material. he is perfect for a fling :) SML is ***perfect*** as a dance partner. You can fly all over the dance floor with him and flirt as much as you want. But then when the dance is over, the prince Charming will be gone too :) Ji Su is too ... confused to be a stable long term pair..
So sure whoever likes flings, it is their choice :) Not everyone likes flings :) That is ok too :)
2ML has EQ. That does not mean he is flirty and plays around. I have seen some players in real life and if anything…
Oh I see, the word "player" means someone with many woman. OK, I will rephrase that. ML and FL showed active and spontaneous - remember the bike and the rain.. and their kiss? and the train ride? Or the blurt to Ji Su in the bar... ? That's active and spontaneous :)
Ig im team taeseop lol. Jisu and his noble man act is too cliche atp. Every other kdrama lead does it. I don't…
"Ji Su decided for himself that this grown woman can't handle the truth. It seems like that's the fundamental problem with guys like jisu. They fundamentally always lie and hide, even if they rationalize it as well-intentioned. But in actuality, *****it only reveals that he doesn't trust her to handle her own emotions.**** Shielding someone from hurt isn't actually protecting them. It's just postponing and prolonging the pain for when it inevitably returns.**** " Wow I really like how you said it. 100%
Ppl who do that do it for their own convenience. It is easier for them :)
Its necessary for this role too, we can see that her character doesn't eat and is mentally ill. Even in ep 4 her…
She is able to work with the eating disorder, that's the problem, ppl dont find it wrong and they still pay her, so she keeps promoting the anorexic look - and this will keep on going until she colapses from malnutrition OR we the society speak up again self destruction and esp when used to coerce the public, esp young ppl, into self destructive behaviors.
Its necessary for this role too, we can see that her character doesn't eat and is mentally ill. Even in ep 4 her…
hm she lost weight she did not have - from 37kg 165cm i.e.BMI 13 ... she is already a walking malnourished .... How could you defend that? Unless you are a follower of that "beauty standard" i.e. fat shaming the other 99.9% of population, like this were a contest, whoever can starve the most, is most cool... ?? But see, the truth is, whoever can starve the most, is most unhealthy and malnourished. Women growing up need to know THAT.
My last 20 romantic Dramas every single has a love triangle or some male or female try to create trouble between…
Haunted House, First Night with the Duke, Divorce Insurance, My Dearest Nemesis, Potato Lab, Undercover High School, etc etc are all RECENT KDRAMA ROM COMS that had no love triangles. Idol I triangle disolved easy on his own quite early. Spring Fever's too. etc
All dramas have SOMEONE cause trouble - be it a love interest, their parents, family, boss, etc - because that must be a part of the drama, to see how the leads are gonna overcome it. The key to using is wisely is to not let it dominate the drama for too long :) or it gets boring
you are trying to gaslight and intimidate @hazepaseast :) and then me ;)
But you will not intimidate me :)
I realized that I was taking for granted something so obvious to me but so many ppl cannot even see.... so I was talking "advanced" stuff and now I realize I have to start from very basics... So, this is the basics:
Remember, ***ML ALREADY **LIVES** LOVE, PARTNERSHIP, CARE AND COMMITMENT IN HIS DAILY LIFE***, he is good with kids, dogs, and his best friend/business partner, and he runs a successful company and has good relations with lots of customers and employees. He is a *healthy* person. Sure with some faults but that is why we need 12 episodes and FL lol for him to expand his circle of love
ML is very stable and reliable and caring person.
Whoever cannot see that, would benefit from watching Stephen Speaks :)
SML has no circle of love, he is alone, he even leaves his job on a whim and gets fired, he has no sense of responsibility commitment and hard work, and he does not know how to love YET. And it's gonna take a while for him to learn it :) First, he has to want it. He does not yet :)
Whoever cannot see that, would benefit from watching Stephen Speaks :)
Ciao everyone, ahui ho, so long! Enjoy watching :)
I was agreeing with @hazepast and telling you that you are avoiding the topic - instead of addressing what @hazepast said and specifficaly talking about SML, you tried to distract @hazepast by attacking ML ... you used the classic gaslighting strategy. It is a very toxic way to shut up someone.
@hazepast should NOT let you intimidate him/her...
The classic example of the strategy you used is when a guy comes home with the red lipstic on his shirt, and the wife asks him about that, and he starts yelling how she did not wash the dishes - he distracts her attention from the topic she is trying to discuss by attacking her on a totally unrelated topic, to intimidate her and shut her up
This has been the pattern of practically all users who defended SML - I never saw anyone address what was pointed out as his flaws.
Albert is a cute nice kid to her :)
Search for Stephen Speaks videos on youtube.
And good luck to anyone dating Ji Su LOL What he needs to heal is very huge and is going to take a loooong time. Ppl saying he was attentive and a great guy is just LOL I am really amused and I learned a lot about ppl from this. Ji Su is going to get some lessons from FL and ML and then it will probably take him some years to live those lessons to soak them in before he can BE da man to someone. I think finding ML and FL was a stroke of luck in his life to speed up his process, bc both ML and FL are very honest and dependable and kind, so they will hold the mirror for him with compassion and brutal honesty, and also will model healthy behaviors. Getting someone drunk to bag them, and stalking them getting a job close by, are NOT the methods to use in a proper relationship LOL But it is going to take a LOT of time for Ji Su to heal and grow up. Bc he doesnt even want to :)
FL is just a new and interesting experience for him so he is curious. SML has no desire to find a true love and live with her forever. In fact, as FL so astutely observed, he does not like her.
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Dating ML is NOT going to be possible until the old stray dog gets tamed LOL bc he doesnt trust and he bites bc he was beaten - and some of it was his own fault, he picked a cold but glam beautiful woman so he vegetated for years at the cold distant state - but he is overall a healthy dog and will be tamed relatively easily. FL has the magic touch and is exactly what that stray needs. She is the future "owner" for life.
The clue: ML is good with kids, dogs and with his best friend and partner. That man DOES know ALREADY how to love and partner up and he already lives it, every day. He is a low hanging fruit to pick :)
But he needs to expand his circle of love to include a woman - and only a very very good, kind, loving, HONEST, trustworthy woman will do for him. Remember, he likes kids, dogs, Nature and art. He is a cuddly doggie
And how come the church kiss and he jumping on the train etc does not count... ??? I dont have time to talk more about this if you already have your opinion on this and are unwilling to actually WATCH the drama
There was definitely sweet, and yes longing and nostalgia, as signs of love - but love that was tabled LOL as not realizable LOL
Even their last good bye was a little too sticky - he didnt want it to be a farewell, adn she looked him in the eye smiled sweetly and extended her hand to shake... It was too ... sweet LOL but it was clear it was a clear ending. UNLESS he magically totally completely reforms, he is out.
I hope some great Mr Right comes along :) I think Hong would like that bc she was so flattered with Albert
NOW let's see who says that ML is passive, stiff, not adventuresome, etc. Really, which drama are you watching? Let
s go through the list of hot, active, adventuresome and spontaeous things ML did:
ML PUTS HIMSELF ON THE LINE BY CLEARLY AND HONESTLY EXPRESSING HIS FEELINGS FOR FL
- honest during date #1 - clearly said he is not interested in dating for fun and sleeping around but leading to marriage - that's active and ... adventuresome and spontaneous, to say that so openly LOL and if you are a woman interested in long term, it is very hot too
- did not push her when she said I AM GOING HOME ALONE - ie. she politely told him "I dont want to see your face get off me NOW!!!!" - so of course it was HER turn to call him for the 2nd date, not his... ! But, when he did run again at her and she seemed agreeable, THEN he said he will call her - that is active and spontaneous
- openly confessed and swooned her on that night under the stars... He was so suave and so poetic... romantic, hot, adventuresome, spontaneous
- went out in rain to look for her - that's also hot, adventuresome, spontaneous
- offered to sit next to her and dry her hair .... and that steamy scene after..... the two SPONTANEOUSLY combusting next to each other ..... that's not two ckynky ppl.. but two ... hot people buring... ... so that was hot, romantic, adventuresome, and spontaneous ....
.... and staying there to sleep - and sitting through the whole parade shame orderal being found out LOL
- jumping on that train to sit next to her and take a nap on her shoulder - that was hot, romantic, adventuresome, spontaneous, and RISKING himself to be close to her
- then pushing Ji Su on his way and the intentional blurt in front of Ji Su - that was totally warrior deadly LOL that man knows how to fight properly, in the open LOL and he is certainly adventuresome and spontaneous, and very hot
And he is direct and honest. He put the mirror to FL
In all his actions, he put the mirror to FL and also showed consideration and tact
SO IT IS FASCINATING HOW PPL LABEL PPL. The fact that ML looks like a nerd, made him labeled not hot, not adventuresome, not spontaneous... but he exhibited tremendous amounts of those qualities.
So ..... no wonder women complain they cannot find a nice guy if they overlook quiet honest guys, and go for FLASHY DRAMA dudes...
I would love to take Ji Su out dancing some lindy hop or something athletic like that - he would be such a great guy for all the drama and flirting for a dance performance.
But he is not the guy to take home and live happily ever after. He is TROUBLE
ML is currently trouble too bc he does not know FL and he does not trust her, and he is too wounded to be too patient. So ... that is why we need 12 episodes LOL
Ji Su is gonna do some dirty tricks for sure and FL is hormone-driven and keeps coming too close and too familiar to this woman-eater
ML is actually dressed like an IT guy.... And he doesnt move around much and is all stopped and compressed, giving a vibe of a nerd... but .. he walks dogs... camps.... hikes.. rides a bike... operates forklift.... carves wood ... that dude is strong and in shape healthy guy
He is frozen at the moment.. his heart is frozen... but his hormones are working and quickly defrosting his heart LOL He is already starting to shine LOL
two kiss attempts in one night, and one success LOL he got a lot further than SML :)
That dude is still a mean stray dog, but very soon he will be more tame, when he learns to trust FL, then he will be super cuddly
He would have bagged FL that night for sure if she said yes. To me that is a player. He definitely definitely jumps into the sack super fast, with someone he barely knows and did not even ask for a true consent.
Ji Su plays with people'e emotions, he is a teaser... No he is not spontaneous or adventuresome as much as he looks LOL
Making FL drunk and then trying to bag her is NOT spontaneous, it is CALCULATED MANIPULATION and if you really want to label it as it is, it is an attempt at s.x without a real consent, i.e. a rape of some sort.
JI SU IS IN CONTROL :) He is never vulnerable, never talks about his emotions... Never puts HIMSELF on the line... He does not come close... He teases and manipulates... And he does not take risks that expose him. And he plays dirty.... getting a job at that bar so that he can tease her is ... wow a bad move. Ji Su is a stalker and a coward :) He does not offer himself, he offers a ticket to his show.... He never said anything suave or romantic like ML did :)
JI Su is "younger", less mature, less considerate, more selfish, more pokey, for his own interests...
I will not call him player here since it means something else to ppl here - but if we find other women in his life, then...
Right now, I can call him woman-eater :) that is what we DID see and know for sure. Also, I can call him immature, not serious, etc. Again, nothing personal, he is a nice guy, but as a man, he is ... incomplete, he is just ,.. not the relationship type.
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Sure, FL's colleague is a proven promiscuous person. Wow that long list of guys in her phone!!!! looking for someone on any night she wants... wow she is something. Would I call her a player? Not really. She does not deceive anyone. I would call her promiscuous.
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SML looks more sickly and thin urban dweller, like a nightlife person...
I do not have anything against SML as a person, he is a good person, but as a MAN, he is not a long term relationship material. he is perfect for a fling :)
SML is ***perfect*** as a dance partner. You can fly all over the dance floor with him and flirt as much as you want. But then when the dance is over, the prince Charming will be gone too :) Ji Su is too ... confused to be a stable long term pair..
So sure whoever likes flings, it is their choice :)
Not everyone likes flings :) That is ok too :)
ML and FL showed active and spontaneous - remember the bike and the rain.. and their kiss? and the train ride? Or the blurt to Ji Su in the bar... ? That's active and spontaneous :)
Ppl who do that do it for their own convenience. It is easier for them :)
and @xoxo is a DUMB MALICIOUS troll user... missed the most important part... and that is ... ? drumroll....
@inspectormegre loves ML and Woo Ju
All dramas have SOMEONE cause trouble - be it a love interest, their parents, family, boss, etc - because that must be a part of the drama, to see how the leads are gonna overcome it.
The key to using is wisely is to not let it dominate the drama for too long :) or it gets boring