I like this drama so far but the age gaps are interesting. The nurse is actually as old as FL and ML but we are supposed to believe that he's way older. The new teacher is supposed to be almost FL's age but he's actually almost 20 years younger. ML's mother had ML at age 10 (the actress is 52 yo!). Wtf were the casting people thinking?
The "secret" of the breakup gets revealed in ep. 3.
It was a misunderstanding. ML's father lost his job, and the family moved. FL's "best friend" apparently loved ML and deleted all messages ML sent FL, so FL thought ML just forgot her.
Yeah, especially since Asia is not known for being woke. I'm expecting an interesting character who happens to…
The definition of woke shifted to "crazy leftist ideology warriors" a long time ago. Wokeness is about bigotry and hypocrisy. About narcissts and/or capitalists who use social issues to promote their agenda to gain power and money. Wokeness is an US-American ideology.
The pinnacle of wokeness is Disney who loves to show how super woke and diverse they are while simultaneously erasing a black main character from posters in certain countries or gay stuff in the background of scenes.
Addressing social issues does not make anything woke.
If transgender women don't exist, why don't you mention that the other actors and roles are men, too? You only do that with this character. Very suspicious.
they could've at least hired a cis woman if they couldn't find a trans woman instead of her character being played…
Good grief. Actors act. A male actor looking like a male trying to look female is much more convincing because this character needs money for plastic surgery. A female actress looking like a woman pretending to be a male in need of plastic surgery for looking female is like those beautiful actors pretending to look ugly by wearing glasses while looking beautiful while pretending to be ugly.
Yeah, especially since Asia is not known for being woke. I'm expecting an interesting character who happens to be trans, not some Murican Hollywood trans "representation" who happens to be in the drama.
He is not a women and the character is also a man you cannot change your sex.
Ever heard of role playing? A couple of centuries ago, when female actors were not allowed to act, male actors portrayed everything including women. The audience pretended/pretends that the male actor IS a woman. You do that as well because, while watching dramas, you "believe" that there are real people on your screen while it's actually actors with cameras, microphones and lots of other people around them. That's how fiction has been working for thousands of years.
You don't have to believe that biological men who claim to be women ARE (biological) women. However, people do perform roles in every day. A drag queen, for example, gets called "she" depite looking like a man in woman's clothes. You can call somebody "she" without having to believe that the person is a real "she". It's role playing. With the same attitude, you can also call a trans woman "she".
I'm looking forward to this trans character because Asian dramas usually portray them in a non-woke way meaning as interesting and unique characters.
In Western media, that happened to be the case decades ago. My favourite example is Dennis/Denise Bryson (early 90s Twin Peaks) who is not some woke "representation" of something but a unique and pragmatic character. David Duchovny (Fox Mulder from The X Files) looked greeeeeeeeeat as a male and a female. I also loved that he used his normal voice instead of some high-pitched trans voice. He was a very convincing female character in my opinion (as a woman).
This was an excellent drama albeit a bit slow-paced. The characters were well written, and their different relationships well explored. I wouldn't call it a thriller, though.
So ml ghosted fl because his friend was in the hospital, and when she calls him after 10 seconds he tells her…
The ghosting stuff happens so often in Kdramas. And each time, the characters reunite just like that as if the ghosting never happened. It instantly breaks all the romance for me.
When crazy idol fans are watching this drama, I'm wondering if they believe it's true and take it as an inspiration to break into their idol's home, expect to be treated like a guest, get their idol's phone number, could kidnap the idol to make the idol sing just for them.
I'm only watching this drama because FL is likeable, and I like JJ. I have a soft spot for toxic men being obsessed with a woman. In fiction, not in real life. And the manager is so charming. Oh, and the producer and the writer are such a cute couple. The rest was okayish. Many forced romance scenes and rather draggy.
Omfg the first part got me SO ANGRY!!! I have a huge pet peeve with dramas that are developed only on miscommunication.…
At first, I enjoyed the misunderstandings because I expected the characters to be developed. Part 1 did a great job to show how Gil-chae grew. But in part 2? No more character development. Let's enjoy more childish misunderstandings and the good old amnesia trope twice.
The most obvious laziness happened with Captain Gu. He fought for Gil-chae, wanted to have her, accepted her back when she spent the night with her lover, was very understanding and patient, went to the slave market, just to accept some random guy's claim that his wife were sold, then he went home to marry the next best woman? The writers could have put effort into developing this part further instead of adding more "misunderstandings".
Everyone was calling this a masterpiece so i was expecting a lot but I’m honestly disappointed, i liked this…
There is a lot of bad writing going on in part 2. I _assume_ that the producers(?) demanded more room for "romance" and preferred amnesia tropes for the sake of the historical part. Also, it's a Kdrama written by and (mainly) for Koreans. Since Koreans in Korea learn about Korean history, it might be that lots of things were not explained in detail because the Korean audience knows those things.
1 - Joseon was a supporter of the Ming dynasty. When the Qing (Manchu) fought a war against the Ming, it made sense to conquer Joseon to get their supplies, so Joseon couldn't support the Ming anymore. The Qing invasion of Joseon lasted until 1637. The Ming dynasty lasted until 1644. Crown Prince Sohyeon died in 1645. 2 - From what I see, that part is historically accurate. Nobody knows what really happened, and the people in power usually had no interest in clearing anybody's name unless they benefitted from it. 3 - Lazy writing. After the writers put so much effort into a tragic gay love story, I suspect that the producers demanded a fast end. Let's put him in some asylum and don't explain anything probably seemed like a good idea to them. Sadly, it's not uncommon that the last episodes in Kdramas "forget" things and focus on fan service instead. 4 - Why did the babies remain babies for years? ^^ 5 - Grand Prince Bongrim was Sohyeon's younger brother. Their mother was Queen Inyeol, not the concubine.
Nobody saved Joseon. If you take a look at the map, Joseon was a rather irrelevant country compared to China. It's full of mountains, which means that agriculture is difficult. It was mainly used as a vassal state helping out with supplies. Also, if you had Joseon under control, nobody could invade you from that side.
If you are interested in history, you could, for example, read the Wikipedia article titled "Qing invasion of Joseon".
Be careful while saying "suggestive" behaviour. Verbal consent is the only type of consent. Rapists might use…
Oh, really? Then I must have been raped for 20+ years by almost all guys I dated because they never asked "may I insert my penis now?" or "can we perform sex now, pls?".
@dramalistsite, as it seems the problem is not english but text comprehension in general. FL does set boundaries. Did I mention when she does? No, I didn't. Obviously not in the first few episodes because that would be boring storywise. Upvoting one's own comments doesn't change that fact.
I have a thing or two against impervious plot armors that goes to the extremes and this drama was structured around…
I thought the same regarding the injuries. The first few times, I shrugged it off but in the last episodes, my eyes rolled back so far that I feared they would get stuck there. The oh so deadly wounds were mere decoration. And I also agree with you regarding the soundtrack. It made almost all the fighting scenes ridiculous because it reminded me of action comedy.
Why do the sageuk writers always have to insert an annoying FL who gets supported by everyone, who can slap people without any consequences, who can stick her nose into everything without any consequences, who is loved by all relevant men, who can imperil everybody but everybody immediately forgives her or never get angry at her, who can draw a sword and train it on someone without any negative consequences? Why are there always special rules and exceptions for that FL only while everyone else has to stick with rules of the drama world?
The pinnacle of wokeness is Disney who loves to show how super woke and diverse they are while simultaneously erasing a black main character from posters in certain countries or gay stuff in the background of scenes.
Addressing social issues does not make anything woke.
You don't have to believe that biological men who claim to be women ARE (biological) women. However, people do perform roles in every day. A drag queen, for example, gets called "she" depite looking like a man in woman's clothes. You can call somebody "she" without having to believe that the person is a real "she". It's role playing. With the same attitude, you can also call a trans woman "she".
I'm looking forward to this trans character because Asian dramas usually portray them in a non-woke way meaning as interesting and unique characters.
In Western media, that happened to be the case decades ago. My favourite example is Dennis/Denise Bryson (early 90s Twin Peaks) who is not some woke "representation" of something but a unique and pragmatic character. David Duchovny (Fox Mulder from The X Files) looked greeeeeeeeeat as a male and a female. I also loved that he used his normal voice instead of some high-pitched trans voice. He was a very convincing female character in my opinion (as a woman).
I'm only watching this drama because FL is likeable, and I like JJ. I have a soft spot for toxic men being obsessed with a woman. In fiction, not in real life. And the manager is so charming. Oh, and the producer and the writer are such a cute couple. The rest was okayish. Many forced romance scenes and rather draggy.
The most obvious laziness happened with Captain Gu. He fought for Gil-chae, wanted to have her, accepted her back when she spent the night with her lover, was very understanding and patient, went to the slave market, just to accept some random guy's claim that his wife were sold, then he went home to marry the next best woman? The writers could have put effort into developing this part further instead of adding more "misunderstandings".
1 - Joseon was a supporter of the Ming dynasty. When the Qing (Manchu) fought a war against the Ming, it made sense to conquer Joseon to get their supplies, so Joseon couldn't support the Ming anymore. The Qing invasion of Joseon lasted until 1637. The Ming dynasty lasted until 1644. Crown Prince Sohyeon died in 1645.
2 - From what I see, that part is historically accurate. Nobody knows what really happened, and the people in power usually had no interest in clearing anybody's name unless they benefitted from it.
3 - Lazy writing. After the writers put so much effort into a tragic gay love story, I suspect that the producers demanded a fast end. Let's put him in some asylum and don't explain anything probably seemed like a good idea to them. Sadly, it's not uncommon that the last episodes in Kdramas "forget" things and focus on fan service instead.
4 - Why did the babies remain babies for years? ^^
5 - Grand Prince Bongrim was Sohyeon's younger brother. Their mother was Queen Inyeol, not the concubine.
Nobody saved Joseon. If you take a look at the map, Joseon was a rather irrelevant country compared to China. It's full of mountains, which means that agriculture is difficult. It was mainly used as a vassal state helping out with supplies. Also, if you had Joseon under control, nobody could invade you from that side.
If you are interested in history, you could, for example, read the Wikipedia article titled "Qing invasion of Joseon".
not knowing camera is not exactly "lol reply false"
cannot set boundries for not knowing lol lulz
roflmao