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Haha, this is one of the best examples of MyDL being a bit of a bubble - this is #5 on Douban rn.

This is only the 2nd drama that the Director of Bad Kids has ever made - and with this cast, if he had truly made an 8/10 drama, that would likely end his career... he obviously didn't do that.

#5 ranks higher than Nirvana in Fire @#6 - this is behind only:

Dream of Red Mansions @ #4
Journey to the West @ #3 1986 (the OG version for most)
Ming Dynasty 1566 @ #2
and ofc: My Only Swordsman @ #1

- those are all like cultural epics... I haven't seen this yet. If you were ever going to ignore an 8/10 rating, this is prolly the one 😉

I really, really like your pfp - a lot actually.

May I ask where that is from? It feels very familiar but I don't think I know it.

Hey Bud, so if you are actually Thai - um... I think you need to think about what exactly you are suggesting. You are a lawyer or some sort of legal professional - you should be able to understand what it would mean if internationally it becomes widely known that such content can be made in Thailand.

It annoyed me that they pulled this nonsense on such an anticipated production globally. Addicted was how I found Chinese and Thai media. Many millions of people that don't frequently watch Thai productions - checked this out bc they watched the OG.

Instead of being a "less controversial" and more accessible iteration of the OG production (and an excellent opportunity to show off Thai media and Thailand in general) - instead this version is primarily about this Age Gap nonsense.

I would have really rather had a show, targeting an international audience, that doesn't require you to explain the age of consent in Thailand.

I think anything that you need to write something like this about, is clearly and obviously, not OK.

Who really gives a f*ck about whats legal? Its legal to do a lot of things that its not OK to do. Lots and lots of things are like that. We call those gray areas - they exist legally and socially but in both cases they imply something that is technically OK, but actually not - or vice versa. They can be complicated but not all of them tho.

Some people think, that even if is something is kind of a gray area - certain somethings are actually NOT OK, even as a gray area.

Weirdly enough, age gaps between almost 30 somethings and an under 18 year old - yeah, thats one of those gray areas that actually isn't so gray. Its like wildly and ridiculously obvious actually - hence this nonsense list of excuses/justifications. You see, its not the AGE GAP - its one of the actors AGE. Under 18 actors shouldn't be playing sexualized roles paired with adult actors.

Are you suggesting that Hollywood can hire under 18 year old women to play 20 somethings attending college and pair them with actual 20 something men in romantic relationships? I mean, none of its real anyway - so... then it doesn't matter that certain predatory college age men do in fact target underage girls and would enjoy seeing such content for exactly those very wrong reasons??

Do you think this would exist if August was August and Poppy was a 16 year old female actor? I don't think it would. What this really is - is gray area exploitation of a young actor.

Simply stated - you don't need to write books explaining things that are OK to do, that are in fact actually ok to do.

Haha, so these statements are sooo incomprehensible for a normie person you ran into on some random website - that anyone saying such things to you, you perceive as taking a position so out of reach, its akin to a mortal imagining their own divinity?

Haha, I've not once claimed infallibility - I even told you I said debated stuff. Like, thats... a pretty poor God Complex. Were I to take such a position, it would be far better.

That I've pretty much handed you clues as to how actually challenge all the fallible stuff that I've said - and you replied that I have a God Complex, is quite interesting.

Haha, it had an archer duel - its far too Hollywood for douban, as intended. Its supposed to catch everyone that watches Strange Tales (which it almost automatically will do) plus a larger audience of viewers that have entirely different expectations. Netflix is making Disney type content now - by which I mean the opposite of niche, even with niche stuff like this. Thats how we get an archer duel in a Detective Dee story.

I never said it was the best drama - it doesn't have to be, bc its incredibly accessible being on Netflix. Clearly, successful enough, which warrants more money, and a more serious production overall, which is what I expect.

They kinda have to do this, bc Strange Tales is so successful.

Ahh, see the brilliant part of this whole bit, is that I'm not an academic, but I'm very well read and academia is like this big pyramid - one study refers to many previous, a handful of papers are cited countless times. Many, many years I've been reading academic articles - during covid there were 0 paywalls for them, I downloaded a ridiculous amount of research, for example.

Anyway, if I read all their shit and I am in fact smart - which doesn't actually require your kneeling at all, it means I actually am capable of essentially regurgitating their findings and theories and I'm capable of doing so in whatever language - I'M the one pointed out the lack of Latin, if you were to recall. Now, did I present somewhat contentious and controversial shit as if it were matter of fact - absolutely.

I can cherry pick whatever I want bc I know and you do not.

Again, great retort.

I do think it important to note tho, that in the JOL Universe, the most important person that has ever lived, was a women. She was an incredible inventor, scientist, philosopher, she was the wealthiest person from her business endeavors and that was the least remarkable thing about her.

The inscription on the monument left me not only speechless due to its incredible similarity to the Declaration of Independence and JOL being one of the most of the popular shows in China - it changed the way I see China, not wholly, it was literally propaganda but it was incredibly effective. The CCP has claimed for a long time China will be a Democracy - they can definitely talk the talk, I was impressed. I was also floored that it was delivered by a women. She is the center of the political, economic, scientific, etc JOL world - its quite remarkable.

Yes, this is a male centric drama - I don't believe women are discounted tho.

Haha, thats not how this works. Netflix saw Strange Tales (which is wildly popular globally) and wants in on that, but they can't do the same thing - so they made a show about the literal Master of the Lead in Strange Tales.

The setting of the show during the Dynasty of the Empress Dowager - means anyone that has seen Strange Tales, has been prepped for this series, without even knowing it. It was brilliant. They threw money at it. Paraded around a ton of expensive current celebrities. Netflix expects a return on that investment.

That it was greenlit for a second season means it hit a minimum threshold of viewership. That they are taking their time with it - means they likely intend to continue to take advantage of another platform's most successful show. I expect a higher quality production for season 2.

Uh huh, word salad, right. Sure, that might be applicable to that singular reply of mine, otherwise I've been fairly coherent. Even that again, is the way it is, so I apologize for my attempt to clue you in.

Tbh Bud, your whining about my calling you out on being an assh*le - just to be an assh*le, so whine away - its funny you think I'm the one stomping my feet.

I've been wondering how old you are for awhile now.

Its sexist not bc I feel like it is, but bc it is considered to be by a rather significant amount of people - a disproportionate number of the users of this site may be the most likely to find offense at the exact term, fujoshi itself was an insult at one point, so to combine the two compounds things.

Its really nothing to do with your opinion.

If you would like to avoid discussions like this - its as simple as not saying something so unnecessary.

Also, I don't think thats something that would offend most men - so your example doesn't really fit. You would have something actually offensive to men as an example - not the same scenario as men and women different standards regarding stuff like this.

I do agree that people ought not to be offended by such stuff - its almost impossible to actually offend me. That said, using language just to be offensive, is itself a little offensive, bc you literally intend it to be - I have to ignore that, which is easy but you're acting like your not party to the reactions that people have to your content. That is just silly.

You can take a silly position - I'm fine with that too.

My last thoughts on all this tho - just to clarify.

As much as I disagree with you at times, you are a rather prolific user of this site, and its not that I'm admonishing you to see less of your activity - that isn't at all what I'm going for, I just really dislike seeing such language, call it a trigger if you will.

My attempt at explaining something that has taken me many, many years to grasp the extent of myself - how much evolution has made us as we are, was only to get to the root of the issue with you. As a gay man - you have much easier time understanding that humans had bisexual evolution, which is something there is more than enough evidence in simply how we literally function but has never been addressed bc it changes everything. The entire social order from the foundations would need to be revaluated. So it is ignored, like many, many things. It explains a lot to say the least.

Anyway, I do actually hope you have a good day.

Exactly that.

Ok, that is an incredibly sexist statement - one that has been used as a sexist statement for a very long time. An example would be the song "Mood" from a few years back - the word "wet" was censored, so its socially not acceptable conversation to just randomly state in passing - so yes, I did in fact "infer/deduce" ;) a fair amount from your use of that word in that exact context.

Tbh, Etoks, if that is all you walk away from this conversation with - I'm fine with that.

Haha, perhaps you are just unaware that we are also animals - perhaps more attention to how much animals are controlled by what they are and not at all how much they control themselves.

What makes people people - is that we overcame that.

We have not always been as we are now. We are still incredibly f*cked up as a species, even right now today. I don't think there is single "wild inference" - especially considering, I primarily read academic article, much of any said inference would have been originally derived from a scientific assessment.

I actually feel like anyone that actually knows themselves, and what they/all of us actually are - knows that as mostly just common sense, just never before spelled out as plainly as I just did. You wont read that explanation from even a scientist that factually knows all of that stuff - too few latin words for starters.

Also, I've never really concerned myself with the opinions of women regarding me who I want to sleep with, like at all. Finding out that some of them get a kick out of us just being us - I was pleasantly surprised to discover that and then very thankful for the content that they brought into the world.

Prior to 2018-19, I could count on my hands the number of times I'd seen men kiss on screen in not porn - one hand for a kiss in a non aids related production. I can only think of like 3-4 gay things that I'd seen for the first 30 some years of my life, that were not directly related to aids.

If I never see another aids movie, in my life, it will be too soon.

As none of those facts regarding fujoshis have ever changed - I find it interesting that not shaming them is the trend now. I do tend to be ahead of the game, but I've actually never been party to that behavior regardless. So.

Great retort. Til next time - have a great one!

Etoks - occasionally we agree, that has happened. I understand wholly where you are coming from with the criticism regarding content, and BLin general, but I do think that there needs to be some accepting of the occasional "OG type BL" - done with w/e gimmick is able to bring it up to acceptable for the year it airs.

There will be Bad Buddy like shows forever - there will always be another KinnPorsche, in an ideal world that is. I disagree that those two have the same target demographic but I do concede that neither are first intended for gay men. That is totally fine tbh - I don't mind 100% made for fujoshi content, as long as it is sustaining and allowing for actual Gay/LGBTQ content (I like "Queer" as the umbrella myself) and it does do exactly that.

All of us gays and lesbians and queers of all kinds owe those fujoshis - more than we ever want to admit. This genre was literally financed by the sales of the gifts young women would buy the actors in their favorite ships. There was a lot of very exploitative shit happening all around - the very least of it being the women, being into men, being into each other.

Also Etoks, this narrative bothers me a bit - that fujoshis are "problematic" - I've never been considered that exploitative outright. Tbh, I feel like all of this is just the internet revealing to us something that has always, always been there... I literally mean fujoshis, at an evolutionary level.

Since we are of a similar persuasion - I can assume that you also kno that despite all the rainbows and unicorns, there is nothing magical about a gay man or lesbian women, WE are products of evolution just like everything else.

You must realize - apex predators are solo. Males in nature have complicated relationships with other males. Humans are the most complicated species on earth. All things are the results of evolution - stuff like emotions too. The first creature to act selfishly - survived. All the negative emotions came first bc survival is the highest priority on our hierarchy of needs. So, how did we end up with empathy?

If the strongest and smartest man, got all the women in the valley - he had all the kids... We literally occupied like 1 big valley for like 160 million years of ancestors living out mostly family centered "pack animal lives" to get to roughly what we are now. It is said that we learned cooperation from the wolves... but how did we learn trust? At one point, the croods + that creepy guy north of the wall in GoT (with only daughters) = literal human reality of life for a time. Minus the white walkers. How do we go from 1 Man, HIS women/offspring, and HIS cave to "a community" of people ??

In short, bc at some point, a man submitted to a stronger man - in a way that the stronger man could wholly and completely trust him after, and without fear of his women either. Likely before words existed. Only so many ways to do that. The women are key tho - for several reasons. I'm assuming that, going back far enough, before "familial" type social programming existed, a strong man, collecting women and some men, may have tried to "collect" his own sons also, and obviously that was shut down very, very early on considering the deep seated societal stigma to such activity.

Despite the problems of a primal human like animal man - women also had envy, jealousy, lust and all the good stuff programmed at a cellular level just like men. This is the crux of this whole comment Etoks - the first fujoshi women, to encourage their strong man to go collect men, and for real wanted that - that family survived to become a tribe, that tribe is the one that took over the valley. That all happened so far back, thats part of all of all our story - our human story, which explains a lot actually. We literally evolved bisexual. Maybe not at the start but as soon as the first man adopted it, every man had to - or he would have no women... or food.

Anyways, I think its actually rather natural for a women to actually have a level of attraction to men displaying affection for each other - I don't mean thru any of any of our modern lens either.

Just something to think about when you're shaming people for being all people like.

I was just watching My Stubborn and now I'm rewatching this. I'm serious - this put Yoon in a different league for me. I think I will be happy to see him, whenever I see him, maybe forever - so if anyone reading this is making a BL, he is a great pickup, I will always think that whenever I see him in a cast. This show is why.

If you haven't seen this yet - it was the most popular show in Thailand the year it aired, and I'd even say that it does require a fair amount of previous viewing of Thai media, specifically BL, to really appreciate, but if you happen to be gay or are just familiar with campy type productions anyway, and you like them at all - just press play.

I don't even kno who he is.

I appreciate your pointing out the mental health concerns - I will not further address this and I will not elaborate on their activity.

I do feel that is very important for the poster to realize tho, that the extent of their behavior on this page, does in fact exactly qualify as behavior demonstrating a mental illness.

I don't feel they are lacking in cognitive ability and this isn't a personal attack like that at all.

Episode 3 @ 42:30 - that is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema. I'd maybe give it an asterisk, since its a humorous scene, but I truly think thats so brilliant - I've never wanted to make a BL more than I do right now.

I'm positive my actors would hate me but I feel like it would be hilarious.

All in all, this wasn't a bad series at all - very funny.