I wish I didn't know the real-life case - half the show is basically spoiled at this point. At the very least I might enjoy relation between Kang Tae Ju and Cha Si Yeong.
100% he fell for her when she called him out of how he can practice archery because of his status, but she cannot.…
I'd say that him allowing for other archers to train is more of a scheme than intentional helping FL. I'm not sure if it is what writers intended, but it might have been part of the plan. He allows other archers to train -> archers are stronger competition -> he has less chance of winning. The competition looks more even and he looses by one point instead of intentionally not hitting a target at all (scene with training with future Prime Minister shows that the competition wouldn't be strong enough to beat Prince). She might have been inspiration for the plan; it wasn't done for her. We will see in future episodes if writers will explain that.
I have weird problem with this. It feels like cinematography is kind of too basic for the tone of this drama. What do I mean? I skipped through 1st episode of original Japanese series and I realized how much shots of main couple were more intimate. More close-ups, darker lighting and so on. In here they try to sell relationship between Seol Ah and Woo Seok mostly with dialog between different people (Woo Seok with detective; Seol Ah's colleagues). The shots and music don't convey enough tension between main couple as I thought they would. I recently rewatched Flower of Evil and camerawork is what is missing for me. But overall I like this drama even though they seem to stretch episodes to mark one hour.
the bar lady was not completely out of sight or not suspicious, because they kept a scene when she met Kim yun…
I have different opinion. I lean more towards photographer being a killer. My evidence are: scuba gear in his private studio and his talk about his relationship with Seol Ah being more than friendship or love. And possibly female friend being accomplice. With the auction house owner I think it is that she is involved with Seol Ah's parents accident. I think she probably didn't pay the father for his painting, so he had to get money from the loan shark. And now Seol Ah tries to get her revenge. There is also possibility that Jun Beom killed Yun Ji on impulse and this case is not related to FL's men. I just think that there is too many missing pieces to definitely conclude who the culprit really is.
The point of body in reservoir is either for shock value or symbolism that the detective can be overconfident. I lean towards first interpretation. The body was of a male in his 20s or 30s so it didn't match Sarah's description. It doesn't really mean much, it was just unexpected variable that is not a part of a case.
This show has unique ability to put me into good and bad mood at the same time. 9th episode was much better than previous like 3 episodes. We got some development in U Jin's story. I didn't think that there would be any good reason why he left Tae Hyung like that, but I was wrong. I can see logic behind it. Tae Hyung's response was acceptable and logical from story's perspective, but cliche nevertheless. They should have ended this damn love triangle no later than this episode, but they didn't. I made my mind already about the overall show score this episode and nothing will change it.
Look, the drama tries to imply that she is sickly. The actor has a choice to either commit to the character or not. For me it is intentional choice and it shows that the actress has fully commited to the role. You either like it or not, but I think that body transformation deserves at least some respect. It doesn't mean that it is supposed to set a body standard. Overall Asians have different diet and metabolism so from western perspective it looks even more drastic when they need to look anorectic. What I say here is only my opinion, but I believe that in SK it is hard to find person with higher BMI. When they talk about beauty then I understand it as "She has attractive face, great skin, good hair and it doesn't bother me that she is thinner than average, because the difference is not as noticeable" and I can see that. In case of Our Universe actress it is also implied that she skips her meals so it makes sense that she is skinny. It doesn't change the fact that I feel concerned when actor is too thin, but even then I can see other factors that can qualify person as attractive.
I can somewhat agree with that, but in this case I think it is intentional. Overall she always was skinny person, but she has so little body fat that you can see quite a lot of definition of her cheekbones. It implies not a lot of buccal fat. It is either achieved by very low body fat percentage or fat pad removal surgery. In her case I'd say it is the first option as you can also see how skinny her legs are. She did have a lot of plastic surgeries, but in her previous drama (Confidence Queen) she has much more facial fat than she has here so I think it is intentional(unless she has done the surgery too, but we don't know yet).
I'm pretty sure that the show establishes she is on tranquilizer and possibly anorectic (vomiting the food she ate with her boss). It is not supposed to be attractive, she is supposed to look somewhat sickly.
I know we all is tired of the sml. but I feel writer want to show the difference. Like with YS she do not have…
Maybe the writer wants to do so, but it doesn't change the fact that it is frustrating to watch and unnecessary for overall plot about raising a child. There are better ways to fill the time in episodes, starting with replacing this love triangle with more relationship building with Woo Joo.
I don't post comments like at all but my betrayal was so deep that I decided to post it anyways. This show is…
It sounds like unique and interesting plot. The only things that comes remotely similar is movie You're So Precious to Me. But I'd definitely watch what you described.
On the other hand I think that even though you are right about plot improvements, I don't think that removing FL is nesesery (but removing 2ML is). However I have to admit that she is poorly written character. She decided to take responsibility for the child and now she does overtime with her ex-boyfriend, leaving Woo Ju with Tae Hyeong. 2ML is actively taking her time like she has no other responsibility. EVEN THOUGH he knows that she doesn't have privilege of much free time. And instead of refusing she goes along with it like she has no assertiveness.
Did you read comments by user _oppa? He is definitely male, not sure how old and where from. He is extremely observant…
I’m pleased that you asked. :) In no particular order, jut those I enjoyed the most: Worst of Evil, Trauma Code, Hospital Playlist, D.P., The Glory, Signal, My Mister, 25-21 (except last episode). Maybe also Flower of Evil and Mouse, but I plan to rewatch those two so my opinion might change.
To the second part: I like reading varying opinions and it is fully understandable. There are shows that I enjoy, because the MC is morally upstanding against odds - (non-asian) Knight of Seven Kingdoms is good example.
Did you read comments by user _oppa? He is definitely male, not sure how old and where from. He is extremely observant…
With Dynamite Kiss I have problem with every main character, but it is still due to bad writing in my opinion. I dropped it on 12th episode so my opinion might have been worse. Going from least annoying to the most: 1. ML would be unbearable, if not for the actor (not the looks, I think he is a good actor with his subtle expressions and body language). The drama tried to make him romantic... by showing him taking it out on FL? Like ok, I get it, it is rom-com, I get the intention and subtle expressions by ML, but it made me frustrated and I started skipping those scenes. Writers clearly didn't thought how it could be interpreted by different people. It's quire ironic considering his second plot with his mother (btw. I hate One-Dolar Lawyer cameo in this context). 2. Yoo Ha Yeong is quite simple character and can be compelling, but I believe that she was overbearing towards 2ML. If a man were to do the same as she, it would be clear s.xual harassment, but in this case they portray it as romantic. Also it rubs me the wrong way when she quickly hops from feelings towards ML to 2ML (although I get her justification, even if poorly written in her meeting with FL somewhere around 9th episode). 3. This is probably least controversial in terms of morals. FL has no character arc. After episode 4 I started wondering what the writers want to do with her... and they decided to do "She's perfect as she is, but the rest has to realize that". Least compelling character. 4. Villains are pathetic. ML's father is ok as villain, because he serves his role, he is unlikable by design and there is not a lot of him. Ji Hye is nepo-baby that thinks she is smarter than she truly is (I get that she has inferiority complex, but it doesn't justify her behavior). 2FL's brother is disgusting. His clinginess towards ML's sister is uncomfortable to watch and his grudge towards ML is pathetic. 5. 2ML - writers tried to portray him as nice, kind and good person and failed on every step (maybe except his relationship with his kid). He comes off as arrogant towards ML and entitled towards FL. He behaves as if FL was promised to him. He clearly cannot be more assertive towards 2FL and it makes generally unlikable.
I despise this show because I remember first two episodes as enjoyable (with some issues) and thought it could go in really interesting direction, but each next episode made me more and more angry. I thought they will make ML ignore FL until he has more interactions with her and he will slowly warm up to her until they realize the misunderstanding. But no, they made him vindictive. I thought they will make 2ML just go with FL's plot because he feels like he owes her and no feelings attached. Well, no, not this time. Then 2FL imposes herself on him not aware of the optics, making trouble for both 2ML and FL. And with how the plot goes with main couple, she is also catalyst for further misunderstandings. And with FL I said my part already, but I don't have a clue what her arc could be. She is too flat of a character to actually think about it.
With oppa_ take about every ML/FL being role model - I disagree. I watch k-dramas expecting interesting characters or engaging plot (ideally both). It is possible to make anti-hero compelling and the show nuanced with good writing (Worst of Evil is my primary example). I can turn a blind eye to some issues with shows, but not if there is overwhelming amount of bad plot devices and badly written cliches. I tend to focus on how shows are written, not how morally good heroes they portray (however it is good starting point to make show engaging).
Did you read comments by user _oppa? He is definitely male, not sure how old and where from. He is extremely observant…
Thank you for your input :) I just found it. I didn't go to comment section last week and only saw scraps that don't encapsulate the problem correctly. I though they were just hate that she cheated and that's it. I watched 4th episode and I read oppa_'s comment and he is mostly right. One disclaimer: I don't think this drama tries to portray main characters as role models as oppa_ tries to imply. IMO they are supposed to be just compelling characters, but the show fails to do so. My point about cheating was that I don't care about mentioning/showing it on screen and I thought that was the criticism around it. But I was wrong. oppa_ has a valid point about main characters. After watching 4th episode I realized that Kang Sin Jae tries to make coup inside her mother's company, which I don't know if is legal (possible conspiracy), but I don't think it is justified enough. Yun Ra Yeong on the other hand is just flat character with trauma to supposedly make her more compelling. Also another lawyer that makes some illegal things to cover up her past. About Hwang Hyeon Jin I agree 100% with oppa_. I could discuss those characters more deeply, but I don't like writing extensive comments and I'm done with this show. Even with those characters I don't find this intrigue interesting enough to continue watching: - main villain seems like another sociopathic douchebag; - the story has tendency for showing random information to viewer when it could be handled better as mystery to be uncovered (scene with cleaning lady in Cho Yu Jeong's room), which is just bad writing
There is not enough good qualities about this show to keep me engaged in the story so I'm dropping it. P.S. You mentioned Dynamite Kiss. Don't get me started on that, because I have some bold takes on this drama and they are not positive.
There is something off about this drama and I can't figure out what. I don't care about cheating part as others, it's part of Hwang Hyeon Jin's character. First episode got me hooked, but throughout second and third ep I started skipping some parts. I cannot finish 4th and I don't know why. I usually like this kind of dramas, but this one doesn't work for me.
I agree with "hate the character, not the actor", but I have to disagree that that he is doing great job, because the character is hatable. Nope, in this case it is completly fault of writers. This character is supposed to be seen as kind and caring, but a lot of people see him as annoying. Writers wanted him sympathetic and he is just nuisance.
How do they manage to lighten their skin year after year? I'm talking about Park Seo Joon, who used to have a…
There are cosmetic procedures go do so like laser therapy or chemical peel. Quite popular in South Korea. It also can be due to make-up, camera filter or lighting.
At the very least I might enjoy relation between Kang Tae Ju and Cha Si Yeong.
We will see in future episodes if writers will explain that.
I skipped through 1st episode of original Japanese series and I realized how much shots of main couple were more intimate. More close-ups, darker lighting and so on.
In here they try to sell relationship between Seol Ah and Woo Seok mostly with dialog between different people (Woo Seok with detective; Seol Ah's colleagues). The shots and music don't convey enough tension between main couple as I thought they would. I recently rewatched Flower of Evil and camerawork is what is missing for me. But overall I like this drama even though they seem to stretch episodes to mark one hour.
With the auction house owner I think it is that she is involved with Seol Ah's parents accident. I think she probably didn't pay the father for his painting, so he had to get money from the loan shark. And now Seol Ah tries to get her revenge.
There is also possibility that Jun Beom killed Yun Ji on impulse and this case is not related to FL's men.
I just think that there is too many missing pieces to definitely conclude who the culprit really is.
9th episode was much better than previous like 3 episodes. We got some development in U Jin's story. I didn't think that there would be any good reason why he left Tae Hyung like that, but I was wrong. I can see logic behind it. Tae Hyung's response was acceptable and logical from story's perspective, but cliche nevertheless.
They should have ended this damn love triangle no later than this episode, but they didn't.
I made my mind already about the overall show score this episode and nothing will change it.
What I say here is only my opinion, but I believe that in SK it is hard to find person with higher BMI. When they talk about beauty then I understand it as "She has attractive face, great skin, good hair and it doesn't bother me that she is thinner than average, because the difference is not as noticeable" and I can see that. In case of Our Universe actress it is also implied that she skips her meals so it makes sense that she is skinny. It doesn't change the fact that I feel concerned when actor is too thin, but even then I can see other factors that can qualify person as attractive.
Overall she always was skinny person, but she has so little body fat that you can see quite a lot of definition of her cheekbones. It implies not a lot of buccal fat. It is either achieved by very low body fat percentage or fat pad removal surgery. In her case I'd say it is the first option as you can also see how skinny her legs are.
She did have a lot of plastic surgeries, but in her previous drama (Confidence Queen) she has much more facial fat than she has here so I think it is intentional(unless she has done the surgery too, but we don't know yet).
But I'd definitely watch what you described.
On the other hand I think that even though you are right about plot improvements, I don't think that removing FL is nesesery (but removing 2ML is). However I have to admit that she is poorly written character. She decided to take responsibility for the child and now she does overtime with her ex-boyfriend, leaving Woo Ju with Tae Hyeong. 2ML is actively taking her time like she has no other responsibility. EVEN THOUGH he knows that she doesn't have privilege of much free time. And instead of refusing she goes along with it like she has no assertiveness.
In no particular order, jut those I enjoyed the most:
Worst of Evil, Trauma Code, Hospital Playlist, D.P., The Glory, Signal, My Mister, 25-21 (except last episode). Maybe also Flower of Evil and Mouse, but I plan to rewatch those two so my opinion might change.
To the second part:
I like reading varying opinions and it is fully understandable. There are shows that I enjoy, because the MC is morally upstanding against odds - (non-asian) Knight of Seven Kingdoms is good example.
Going from least annoying to the most:
1. ML would be unbearable, if not for the actor (not the looks, I think he is a good actor with his subtle expressions and body language). The drama tried to make him romantic... by showing him taking it out on FL? Like ok, I get it, it is rom-com, I get the intention and subtle expressions by ML, but it made me frustrated and I started skipping those scenes. Writers clearly didn't thought how it could be interpreted by different people. It's quire ironic considering his second plot with his mother (btw. I hate One-Dolar Lawyer cameo in this context).
2. Yoo Ha Yeong is quite simple character and can be compelling, but I believe that she was overbearing towards 2ML. If a man were to do the same as she, it would be clear s.xual harassment, but in this case they portray it as romantic. Also it rubs me the wrong way when she quickly hops from feelings towards ML to 2ML (although I get her justification, even if poorly written in her meeting with FL somewhere around 9th episode).
3. This is probably least controversial in terms of morals. FL has no character arc. After episode 4 I started wondering what the writers want to do with her... and they decided to do "She's perfect as she is, but the rest has to realize that". Least compelling character.
4. Villains are pathetic.
ML's father is ok as villain, because he serves his role, he is unlikable by design and there is not a lot of him.
Ji Hye is nepo-baby that thinks she is smarter than she truly is (I get that she has inferiority complex, but it doesn't justify her behavior).
2FL's brother is disgusting. His clinginess towards ML's sister is uncomfortable to watch and his grudge towards ML is pathetic.
5. 2ML - writers tried to portray him as nice, kind and good person and failed on every step (maybe except his relationship with his kid). He comes off as arrogant towards ML and entitled towards FL. He behaves as if FL was promised to him. He clearly cannot be more assertive towards 2FL and it makes generally unlikable.
I despise this show because I remember first two episodes as enjoyable (with some issues) and thought it could go in really interesting direction, but each next episode made me more and more angry.
I thought they will make ML ignore FL until he has more interactions with her and he will slowly warm up to her until they realize the misunderstanding. But no, they made him vindictive.
I thought they will make 2ML just go with FL's plot because he feels like he owes her and no feelings attached. Well, no, not this time. Then 2FL
imposes herself on him not aware of the optics, making trouble for both 2ML and FL. And with how the plot goes with main couple, she is also catalyst for further misunderstandings.
And with FL I said my part already, but I don't have a clue what her arc could be. She is too flat of a character to actually think about it.
With oppa_ take about every ML/FL being role model - I disagree. I watch k-dramas expecting interesting characters or engaging plot (ideally both). It is possible to make anti-hero compelling and the show nuanced with good writing (Worst of Evil is my primary example). I can turn a blind eye to some issues with shows, but not if there is overwhelming amount of bad plot devices and badly written cliches. I tend to focus on how shows are written, not how morally good heroes they portray (however it is good starting point to make show engaging).
I just found it. I didn't go to comment section last week and only saw scraps that don't encapsulate the problem correctly. I though they were just hate that she cheated and that's it. I watched 4th episode and I read oppa_'s comment and he is mostly right.
One disclaimer: I don't think this drama tries to portray main characters as role models as oppa_ tries to imply. IMO they are supposed to be just compelling characters, but the show fails to do so.
My point about cheating was that I don't care about mentioning/showing it on screen and I thought that was the criticism around it. But I was wrong. oppa_ has a valid point about main characters.
After watching 4th episode I realized that Kang Sin Jae tries to make coup inside her mother's company, which I don't know if is legal (possible conspiracy), but I don't think it is justified enough.
Yun Ra Yeong on the other hand is just flat character with trauma to supposedly make her more compelling. Also another lawyer that makes some illegal things to cover up her past.
About Hwang Hyeon Jin I agree 100% with oppa_.
I could discuss those characters more deeply, but I don't like writing extensive comments and I'm done with this show.
Even with those characters I don't find this intrigue interesting enough to continue watching:
- main villain seems like another sociopathic douchebag;
- the story has tendency for showing random information to viewer when it could be handled better as mystery to be uncovered (scene with cleaning lady in Cho Yu Jeong's room), which is just bad writing
There is not enough good qualities about this show to keep me engaged in the story so I'm dropping it.
P.S. You mentioned Dynamite Kiss. Don't get me started on that, because I have some bold takes on this drama and they are not positive.
First episode got me hooked, but throughout second and third ep I started skipping some parts. I cannot finish 4th and I don't know why. I usually like this kind of dramas, but this one doesn't work for me.
Writers wanted him sympathetic and he is just nuisance.