I don’t care if it’s just a temporary shift, Pin’s anger is valid and I’m glad she’s finally moving…
OH come on' It's not like they didn't try to tell her as softly as they could to soften the blow. What did she do everytime?
Cut them mid-talk and insist it's no big deal because Saenkaew will come to love her once they're married. Talk about being delusional. Pause what exactly? There was absolutely nothing from the start!
Even when she still wasn't sure about their relationship and ratted them out about the plan they had made to stop the marriage, she still wanted to persist even being aware they were planning things behind her back to stop the marriage. She didn't know they were into each other but she sure DID Saenkaew didn't want that marriage.
And still she wanted to marry with a man who obviously didn't love her.
Be it Sasin or not, he didn't want her, she knew it, now she's throwing a fit. I don't see where we're supposed to have any empathy for her. The crocodile tears don't work. She's the maker of her own misery.
If she had been graceful and tried to help Saenkaew breaking the marriage because she knew he didn't like her...
I would empathize with the "betrayal"... But since she never cared in the first place, sc*** her.
The lounge boss who was supposed to get married with Saenkaew had a discussion with Pin, but she's in evil mode…
Yeah I think I'm gonna do the same... I already live watched, I'm not gonna put myself through that again with subs and then torture myself for days while waiting for the remaining episodes... I think I'll probably watch the episodes live as I've done so far though because I can't help myself... But for the subs... I'd rather binge the four remaining episodes in one go.
I still believe in their happy ending... After EVERYTHING they've been through, giving a sad ending would be illegal.
The lounge boss who was supposed to get married with Saenkaew had a discussion with Pin, but she's in evil mode…
You're welcome... I honestly didn't want to watch today's episode but I'm so obsessed with this show I gave in... But I understand the need for some viewers to "prepare themselves mentally" if you're pretty weak regarding anything angsty which is also my case.
PS: Also the Chat for the live was really funny. First time most people were actually rooting for the Uncle 🤣🤣🤣
I see that Pin still has a number if people who are sympathetic toward her but I am still not buying her tearful…
100% agree as well.
I never slapped anybody in my life, never saw my father nor my mum hit each other and my God, they REALLY don't get along. I don't think this is acceptable, no matter how hurt you are. Just go away and calm down. I have absolutely no empathy for her, but I do hope she redeems herself by the end of the series.
Episode 10 is extremelly stressful... I'm not watching everything... But I might wait until next week to binge both episodes just before episode 11 comes out... Otherwise I think my heart won't be able to take it... When I say it's STRESSFULL. It is STRESSFULL.
Every single drama I'm watching currently in their stressful phase but this one is the worse by far. Also the Grandma is so delulu I can't. You just have to look at Saenkaew to know he just wants to flee.
The lounge boss who was supposed to get married with Saenkaew had a discussion with Pin, but she's in evil mode so she doesn't give a fudge. Also the grandma is still delulu, she wished them to love each other a lot. The evil father is more realistic, he said the marriage is more a promise and an engagement they both have to respect or something along those lines.
They had an engagement ceremony in the afternoon and the marriage is now happenning in the evening. The Uncle and his wife have managed to weasel their way into the ceremony with incriminating pictures of Sasin and Saenkaew kissing.
Meanwhile Sasin and his musician friends have also managed to get in. The idea is to take Saenkaew away and alope. Saenkaew also has that certificate for the wedding, that his father had hidden away. Tip found it for him, so he's currently hiding said certificate on himself.
Right now Khamsu is running after the Uncle.
So eventually OF COURSE, just as Sasin is about to take Saenkaew away, Pin is here to ruin everything, they're fighting over him but sadly, the delulu Grandma comes out and since nobody wants her to have a heart attack, the musician friends end up playing music and Sasin is forced to play the violin for the marriage 😭😭😭😭
But fear not because the Uncle has managed to get to the first floor of the villa just above the garden where the marriage is happening. You can see he's gloating and enjoying the moment. Of course, everybody is panicking, Khamsu has seen one picture he has dropped earlier and he's shown it to the father so both know what is coming...
And the Uncle throws the photos in the air.
AD BREAK OF COURSE
Soooooooooooooo Just as the Uncle throws the Pictures in the air, the friend who is in love with Pin, shuts down the lights and everybody is in the dark. Everybody's panicking and running everywhere, and the father takes advantage of the confusion to order his goonies to take the pictures while Khamsu is taking care of the Uncle in the building.
Meanwhile, Saenkaew and Pin are running to a safe place, but Pin and Saenkaew are pushed by one the dude picking up the pictures , as they're both falling, Pin ends up on the ground while Sasin manages to catch Saenkaew and both leave without a backward glance (I have to admit seeing Pin crying her eyes out alone at that moment was really satisfying 😈😈😈)
Sasin and Saenkaew are surprised by Saenkaew's pretty friend who initially helped him with his first failed plan. She basically sees them and understand what's happening and lend them her car keys to help them escape.
But Papa Saen is not fooled and runs after them. They still manage to get away, all happy... ANNNNNNNNNNNND I was hoping the episode ended on that note but NOPE!
Papa Saen is racing after them and they end up in a car crash. Sasin is badly hurt, but Saenkaew doesn't even have time to check in what state he's in, because Papa Saen and his goon take him away, leaving Sasin half dead in the car.
THE END
PREVIEW:
Well err... STRESS, STRESS and some more STRESS. Not a single happy scene in that one. Won't rewatch that preview, my heart barely survived today's episode. I might need to refresh my brain with some scenes from episode 7 to heal a bit because this episode was a tough watch and I didn't even watch everything.
Honestly... I love Cheng Lei... I really do... Which is why I didn't drop the show... It has an explosive start then somehow the story feels sloooooooooooooooooooow as fudge. And then finally I feel like it finally really picked up since episode 19...
But 19 episodes is bit long to really pick up a story... There's definitely a pacing problem there. I don't mind a couple of romance centered fillers here and there but you need to put some action or plot advancement here and there, otherwise it just gets boring at some point.
What also doesn't help for me is puppy Jin An. He's cute all right, but I prefer Cheng Lei when he's all dark and mysterious not when he is in puppy mode. Fortunately, Jin An finally gets a bit more charisma from episode 19 onward. Feels like some of the characteristics of his "man in black" persona is blending together with his cute self and the result is more endearing.
Anyway verdict is still out, I'll see if the second half of that show lives up to the hype because as much as I love Cheng Lei, I currently feel this show doesn't deserve its high rating.
Well you seem to be into BLs... Highly recommend Love in the Moonlight. It airs on Monday and Tuesday and finishes next week. Probably one of the best BL currently airing. If you give it a tr though avoid the comment section it's full of spoilers. Links to watch in the forum section of the drama.
I can't wait for Prince Kamfa to realize Pin's father had never ANY intention to give him back the money. If Saenkaew had married Rachawadi, at least there was a guarantee they would get back the assets 🤣🤣🤣 All of that, only to their pockets empty. 😈😈😈
So basically Pin's only leverage was the fact that Saenkaew needed the marriage to get back his family's assets but since her father is basically going to take everything ( dunno exactly how this works... legally speaking but I'm sure he has his ways)... She'd have nothing on him. She wanted the loveless marriage, well now, you'll have to live with the guilt on top. 😈
As for Papa Saen, no better revenge than him losing his money, status and son's love. Really the whole package.
This is going to be such a huge mess, but I'm already preparing my popcorn to see them all freak out.
i hope she can redeem herself. i really did like her character in the beginning, wouldn't want to hate her character…
Actually the last episode will be 2 hours long...So who knows. As written below by Diva70, this girl has no self-esteem... but she's also currently being cruel on top. I can empathize with the pain, but she's being deliberately cruel which I can't forgive so sc*** her.
Only watched 11 episodes in over a month... Usually I should have reached episode 35 at least but instead, I kept on adding shows after shows on my watching list which I ended up finishing or being close to finish, before that one.
I have no opinion on the drama so far... Just that I find it really difficult to get into... So far it leaves me emotionally cold. I feel no attachment to any of these characters. I think I might need to force myself for the next 10 episodes and if I still don't feel emotionally connected by that point... Give up.
I have no explanation as to why... except that Chang Ge is not the most likable character so far sadly... Actually none are except for basically Chang Ge's cousin Le Yan and former friend Shu Yu. They're both weaklings compared to Ashile Sun, Hao Du and Cheng Ge and yet are much more likable from the get go. Sadly we don't spend lots of time with them.
Also the desaturated colors don't help. I'm used to C dramas being way more saturated color-wise. It's less depressing that way, but somehow they made the opposite choice for that one 🙄
I haven't lost hope though. I mean the premise is your traditional revenge story but this is a trope I personally really enjoy + Cheng Ge is crossdressing as a boy, another favorite trope of mine (actually in my 3 favorite tropes, though I prefer when the ML doesn't know she's a girl but Chinese censorship asks for the hero to know her gender before falling in love with her which ruins the main draw of that trope sadly. Truly annoying) and ennemies to lover ( though where I am, one doesn't know yet the other is an enemy) which also in my top 3 favorite trope if not my ultimate favorite.
Watched episode 9 without subs, didn't understand it all but I got the gist. Seems like Saenkaew has gotten braver,…
Lol I had some empathy, until she said she didn't give a fudge and let's all be unhappy together... THEN started to order Saenkaew around, just like his father so now I H.A.T.E H.E.R. Can't she see, this poor rabbit is literally living in prison ever since he set foot in her house? First Khamsu, then Kamsu + his father now Khamsu + his father + his fiancé.
WHAT A NIGHTMARE.
I can already see which trajectory she's gonna have. She's gonna persist on that evil path, until one of them is mortally hurt and only then will she regain her senses... And we'll all be supposed to forgive her for what she did.
WELL I'M SORRY I WON'T unless she helps them elope. I get that she was hurt, but there's a certain line you shouldn't cross. She already ruined their first plan which was just perfect, but OK. She felt left out and didn't know.
Now that's another story.
I hope Saenkaew and Sasin, give her the evil eye and treat her as coldly as she. You wanna be unhappy? Well then be my guest. You're gonna lose the only two people who really cared about you, and you're too blind to see the poor dude who's pinning on your evil a** (pun non intended).
OH MY GOWD... Do I watch today and tomorrow's episode? I'm telling you guys, the preview for episode 10 is G.O.D A.W.F.U.L. as if episode 9 wasn't already difficult to watch... The Angst😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Also Pin... Pin... 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫
For the moment it's a water gun but I might change my weapon next episode given that terrible preview. I'm dying.
At this point, everybody knows (like even Sasin's musician friends), they're all just pretending they don't... Except Pin of course...
Totally predictable. She's turning nasty as fudge.
Hopefully she calms down before it's too late. At this point, Sasin and Saenkaew don't have bad feelings towards her, but if you turn too evil, they'll both end up hating you, and you'll be left alone. The confrontation scene was really horrible. At first I felt empathetic... But then she crossed a line, and now I just hate her.
BUT! Let's give her some time to calm down and come back to her senses.
I am sorry that people accused you of being a troll. The community usually is very defensive when a drama they…
It was more a package deal so to speak. I really enjoyed the drama Hidden Love and thought the follow up would be in the same vibe. That was WAY before I knew this drama would come out. You know the usual "people who bought this bought this" which is how I came to buy it. Chinese is one of the language I'm learning and as a Bookworm... I tend to just pile up books I intend to read (but which I can't yet).
I haven't read it yet since I'm stuck with another Chinese book I started a bit more than a year ago (yes I'm SLOW but again I'm still learning the language) so I can't really judge.
For me, the fault doesn't necessarily lies with the story but rather with its execution. It looks like one of these novels where the characters have lots of inner thoughts which transcribes well in a book but not in a drama. You can't have people always talking in their head, that would be weird. Also Chinese novels have way less censorship so the story might also flaw more naturally.
PS: I think 10s really depends on which viewers you come accross. Personally my 9s to 10s included dont necessarily mean I consider these shows perfect. Just that I love them but that I totally understand if some people didn't like it for whatever reasons. One such example is recently aired "Legend of the Female General". I absolutely adored that show... But some people gave it a terrible rating for a variety of very valid reasons which I can't fault them for... but which I really didn't care about.
Hence the fact that I would never bother to attack anyone who didn't like a show I did. Excluding trolls and zealous fans, most of the time, the critics are completely honest and valid... It's just a matter of "are these flaws preventing you from enjoying the show or not?".
1. If we don't get a Happy Ending, I'm gonna need therapy.
2. If it's not a HE, I vote for double suicide. No better middle finger than condemning all these people to eternal regret.
3. I had put my judgment on hold for Pin due to the fact that, as I had already said, it's easy to be all sweet when everything is going your way, it's another when you realize it's not... ESPECIALLY when your fiancé is giving lingering looks to another MAN which I'm sure, for women back then, must have been shocking so I'm not surprised... but I'm really surprised by how increasingly ANNOYED I get with each passing episode nonetheless.
(Personally if my fiancé rejects me for that reason, I would be happy in my misery. If he's in love with a man, that means it was game over from the start, and I had no chance whatsoever so not gonna dwell on it but maybe that's just me)
4. So I saw that post below about the last episode being 2 hours long... and err Are they going to drag the angst until the last minute or what?
I'm already dying here! Sasin and Saenkaew are killing me with their sad puppy eyes every time they look at each other, do they intend to make us suffer that long? I can't handle it!
That extra one hour better be for 1 hour of pure fanservice with our main couple being happy, otherwise I'm sending One31 the bill for my well-needed therapy sessionS.
The world is becoming increasingly uglier, Dramaland is my escape . YOU BETTER NOT RUIN THAT for me SHOW!
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It's not like they didn't try to tell her as softly as they could to soften the blow. What did she do everytime?
Cut them mid-talk and insist it's no big deal because Saenkaew will come to love her once they're married. Talk about being delusional. Pause what exactly? There was absolutely nothing from the start!
Even when she still wasn't sure about their relationship and ratted them out about the plan they had made to stop the marriage, she still wanted to persist even being aware they were planning things behind her back to stop the marriage. She didn't know they were into each other but she sure DID Saenkaew didn't want that marriage.
And still she wanted to marry with a man who obviously didn't love her.
Be it Sasin or not, he didn't want her, she knew it, now she's throwing a fit. I don't see where we're supposed to have any empathy for her. The crocodile tears don't work. She's the maker of her own misery.
If she had been graceful and tried to help Saenkaew breaking the marriage because she knew he didn't like her...
I would empathize with the "betrayal"... But since she never cared in the first place, sc*** her.
My God I can't handle Hao Chen crying 😭😭😭 The kid is really good.
I still believe in their happy ending... After EVERYTHING they've been through, giving a sad ending would be illegal.
PS: Also the Chat for the live was really funny. First time most people were actually rooting for the Uncle 🤣🤣🤣
I never slapped anybody in my life, never saw my father nor my mum hit each other and my God, they REALLY don't get along. I don't think this is acceptable, no matter how hurt you are. Just go away and calm down. I have absolutely no empathy for her, but I do hope she redeems herself by the end of the series.
Episode 10 is extremelly stressful... I'm not watching everything... But I might wait until next week to binge both episodes just before episode 11 comes out... Otherwise I think my heart won't be able to take it... When I say it's STRESSFULL. It is STRESSFULL.
Every single drama I'm watching currently in their stressful phase but this one is the worse by far. Also the Grandma is so delulu I can't. You just have to look at Saenkaew to know he just wants to flee.
They had an engagement ceremony in the afternoon and the marriage is now happenning in the evening. The Uncle and his wife have managed to weasel their way into the ceremony with incriminating pictures of Sasin and Saenkaew kissing.
Meanwhile Sasin and his musician friends have also managed to get in. The idea is to take Saenkaew away and alope. Saenkaew also has that certificate for the wedding, that his father had hidden away. Tip found it for him, so he's currently hiding said certificate on himself.
Right now Khamsu is running after the Uncle.
So eventually OF COURSE, just as Sasin is about to take Saenkaew away, Pin is here to ruin everything, they're fighting over him but sadly, the delulu Grandma comes out and since nobody wants her to have a heart attack, the musician friends end up playing music and Sasin is forced to play the violin for the marriage 😭😭😭😭
But fear not because the Uncle has managed to get to the first floor of the villa just above the garden where the marriage is happening. You can see he's gloating and enjoying the moment. Of course, everybody is panicking, Khamsu has seen one picture he has dropped earlier and he's shown it to the father so both know what is coming...
And the Uncle throws the photos in the air.
AD BREAK OF COURSE
Soooooooooooooo Just as the Uncle throws the Pictures in the air, the friend who is in love with Pin, shuts down the lights and everybody is in the dark. Everybody's panicking and running everywhere, and the father takes advantage of the confusion to order his goonies to take the pictures while Khamsu is taking care of the Uncle in the building.
Meanwhile, Saenkaew and Pin are running to a safe place, but Pin and Saenkaew are pushed by one the dude picking up the pictures , as they're both falling, Pin ends up on the ground while Sasin manages to catch Saenkaew and both leave without a backward glance (I have to admit seeing Pin crying her eyes out alone at that moment was really satisfying 😈😈😈)
Sasin and Saenkaew are surprised by Saenkaew's pretty friend who initially helped him with his first failed plan. She basically sees them and understand what's happening and lend them her car keys to help them escape.
But Papa Saen is not fooled and runs after them. They still manage to get away, all happy...
ANNNNNNNNNNNND I was hoping the episode ended on that note but NOPE!
Papa Saen is racing after them and they end up in a car crash. Sasin is badly hurt, but Saenkaew doesn't even have time to check in what state he's in, because Papa Saen and his goon take him away, leaving Sasin half dead in the car.
THE END
PREVIEW:
Well err... STRESS, STRESS and some more STRESS. Not a single happy scene in that one.
Won't rewatch that preview, my heart barely survived today's episode. I might need to refresh my brain with some scenes from episode 7 to heal a bit because this episode was a tough watch and I didn't even watch everything.
But 19 episodes is bit long to really pick up a story... There's definitely a pacing problem there. I don't mind a couple of romance centered fillers here and there but you need to put some action or plot advancement here and there, otherwise it just gets boring at some point.
What also doesn't help for me is puppy Jin An. He's cute all right, but I prefer Cheng Lei when he's all dark and mysterious not when he is in puppy mode. Fortunately, Jin An finally gets a bit more charisma from episode 19 onward. Feels like some of the characteristics of his "man in black" persona is blending together with his cute self and the result is more endearing.
Anyway verdict is still out, I'll see if the second half of that show lives up to the hype because as much as I love Cheng Lei, I currently feel this show doesn't deserve its high rating.
So basically Pin's only leverage was the fact that Saenkaew needed the marriage to get back his family's assets but since her father is basically going to take everything ( dunno exactly how this works... legally speaking but I'm sure he has his ways)... She'd have nothing on him. She wanted the loveless marriage, well now, you'll have to live with the guilt on top. 😈
As for Papa Saen, no better revenge than him losing his money, status and son's love. Really the whole package.
This is going to be such a huge mess, but I'm already preparing my popcorn to see them all freak out.
I have no opinion on the drama so far... Just that I find it really difficult to get into... So far it leaves me emotionally cold. I feel no attachment to any of these characters. I think I might need to force myself for the next 10 episodes and if I still don't feel emotionally connected by that point... Give up.
I have no explanation as to why... except that Chang Ge is not the most likable character so far sadly... Actually none are except for basically Chang Ge's cousin Le Yan and former friend Shu Yu. They're both weaklings compared to Ashile Sun, Hao Du and Cheng Ge and yet are much more likable from the get go. Sadly we don't spend lots of time with them.
Also the desaturated colors don't help. I'm used to C dramas being way more saturated color-wise. It's less depressing that way, but somehow they made the opposite choice for that one 🙄
I haven't lost hope though. I mean the premise is your traditional revenge story but this is a trope I personally really enjoy + Cheng Ge is crossdressing as a boy, another favorite trope of mine (actually in my 3 favorite tropes, though I prefer when the ML doesn't know she's a girl but Chinese censorship asks for the hero to know her gender before falling in love with her which ruins the main draw of that trope sadly. Truly annoying) and ennemies to lover ( though where I am, one doesn't know yet the other is an enemy) which also in my top 3 favorite trope if not my ultimate favorite.
So hopefully, I will get invested.
WHAT A NIGHTMARE.
I can already see which trajectory she's gonna have. She's gonna persist on that evil path, until one of them is mortally hurt and only then will she regain her senses... And we'll all be supposed to forgive her for what she did.
WELL I'M SORRY I WON'T unless she helps them elope. I get that she was hurt, but there's a certain line you shouldn't cross. She already ruined their first plan which was just perfect, but OK. She felt left out and didn't know.
Now that's another story.
I hope Saenkaew and Sasin, give her the evil eye and treat her as coldly as she. You wanna be unhappy? Well then be my guest. You're gonna lose the only two people who really cared about you, and you're too blind to see the poor dude who's pinning on your evil a** (pun non intended).
The Angst😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Also Pin... Pin... 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫
For the moment it's a water gun but I might change my weapon next episode given that terrible preview.
I'm dying.
At this point, everybody knows (like even Sasin's musician friends), they're all just pretending they don't... Except Pin of course...
Totally predictable. She's turning nasty as fudge.
Hopefully she calms down before it's too late. At this point, Sasin and Saenkaew don't have bad feelings towards her, but if you turn too evil, they'll both end up hating you, and you'll be left alone. The confrontation scene was really horrible. At first I felt empathetic... But then she crossed a line, and now I just hate her.
BUT! Let's give her some time to calm down and come back to her senses.
I haven't read it yet since I'm stuck with another Chinese book I started a bit more than a year ago (yes I'm SLOW but again I'm still learning the language) so I can't really judge.
For me, the fault doesn't necessarily lies with the story but rather with its execution. It looks like one of these novels where the characters have lots of inner thoughts which transcribes well in a book but not in a drama. You can't have people always talking in their head, that would be weird. Also Chinese novels have way less censorship so the story might also flaw more naturally.
PS: I think 10s really depends on which viewers you come accross. Personally my 9s to 10s included dont necessarily mean I consider these shows perfect. Just that I love them but that I totally understand if some people didn't like it for whatever reasons. One such example is recently aired "Legend of the Female General". I absolutely adored that show... But some people gave it a terrible rating for a variety of very valid reasons which I can't fault them for... but which I really didn't care about.
Hence the fact that I would never bother to attack anyone who didn't like a show I did. Excluding trolls and zealous fans, most of the time, the critics are completely honest and valid... It's just a matter of "are these flaws preventing you from enjoying the show or not?".
1. If we don't get a Happy Ending, I'm gonna need therapy.
2. If it's not a HE, I vote for double suicide. No better middle finger than condemning all these people to eternal regret.
3. I had put my judgment on hold for Pin due to the fact that, as I had already said, it's easy to be all sweet when everything is going your way, it's another when you realize it's not... ESPECIALLY when your fiancé is giving lingering looks to another MAN which I'm sure, for women back then, must have been shocking so I'm not surprised... but I'm really surprised by how increasingly ANNOYED I get with each passing episode nonetheless.
(Personally if my fiancé rejects me for that reason, I would be happy in my misery. If he's in love with a man, that means it was game over from the start, and I had no chance whatsoever so not gonna dwell on it but maybe that's just me)
4. So I saw that post below about the last episode being 2 hours long... and err Are they going to drag the angst until the last minute or what?
I'm already dying here! Sasin and Saenkaew are killing me with their sad puppy eyes every time they look at each other, do they intend to make us suffer that long? I can't handle it!
That extra one hour better be for 1 hour of pure fanservice with our main couple being happy, otherwise I'm sending One31 the bill for my well-needed therapy sessionS.
The world is becoming increasingly uglier, Dramaland is my escape . YOU BETTER NOT RUIN THAT for me SHOW!