Kannadin

Oh thank you for your kind words ^^Wish you the best to you and your friend ^^

It's more a matter of "not encouraging it" but "not condemning it either" if that makes sense.

Given where and at what time you grew up... Your parents were truly exceptional people. It's really heartwarming to know that kind and open minded people existed even back then.

Best wishes to you and your family. Even if I'm sure the divorce was difficult for your son, everybody deserves to be with someone who truly loves them. It was better they separated. It would have been unfair to him to stay with his ex-wife and cruel to her to force her into pretending.

My mum is always outraged when she comes across that type of story... But my father and her never got along... that does not make for a happy childhood nor does it give you a great outlook on marriage. I've got two brothers. All of us have spend most of our lives single (and I'm turning 40 next year). I love romance, but let's just say that I like it in fiction. I've been literally traumatized by all the unhealthy relationships I saw around me, including those of my parents... who are currently "happily" hating each other in their retirement age...

I don't think it was attempted murder. It was a warning. Otherwise they would have shot straight to the head or the heart... Or they would have finished the job. He was shot in the belly near his place of work so Khamsu knew he would get found quickly.

I'm not excusing it though.

Yeah To Sir With Love had a good ending with the father... But still, he actually lost two people dear to him because of his bias. It's a very expensive price to learn tolerance.

I read an article on the subject regarding homophobia in Thailand. From what I gathered, basically it's okay in big cities, but it's still a huge problem in the countryside... and the country being mostly rural you see what it means. Buddhism, which is the main religion there, "tolerates" homosexuality but does not necessarily "openly accept" it... Whichever country, fighting discrimination, whichever kind, is an endless battle.

Honestly it's nice to see somebody from your generation being so open minded... I'm so used to the opposite... The best I ever got from people born from the baby-boom, unless said people were gay themselves, would be that they have "nothing against gay people" yet at the same time would flip out if it ever concerned somebody from their family.

And I'm not even touching on the whole "decadent society", "pedophilia", "zoophilia" and whatnot. Because of course, you need to put everything in the same basket, if somebody indulge in such "perversion" who's to say they don't indulge in others right?

I've given up on western shows a long time ago. I want to live in Delulu land... at least in my free time. I've got Brokeback Mountain trauma.

The ceremony will definitely happen given the ending... You see scenes of the ceremony... Is it totally legally binding, I'm not sure...

For the rest we already know she's going to find Saenkaew's love letter next week so sadly sitting down and discussing calmy is not on the program... Which is why I'm thinking of only watching episode 8 once the subs are out and than wait for all the episodes to be available to watch the rest.

This series is already stressing me out too much...
I don't know if I'll manage to resist, but I'm sure going to try.

Nah actually you're from my parents' generation ^^ But my background is more on the traditional side and HIV was rampant in my youth so I heard the stories. I also had lots of gay and lesbian friends when I was at university so this type of sad stories was pretty common. My mum also had a gay friend who got married, had kids and ended up becoming an alcoholic and committing suicide before his kids reached adulthood. Obviously he was blamed by the community for being completely irresponsible regardless of the fact that everybody knew where he was coming from. Honestly, I'm glad I'm not. Given the family I'm coming from, being an atheist took literally 20 years for my parents to accept, and that's still not something most of my family knows due to "the shame", I can't even imagine what it would have been if I was also gay. I also lived in a small village when I was young and I experienced racism first hand... though I know my parents also had it worse... Now there's religious discrimination on top and my family name being what is it, I also go through it daily. People have a knack for finding reasons to discriminate against others, but it always amuses me to see that being victim of discrimination doesn't prevent said victims from discriminating against others for other reasons.

I haven't watched Shine yet... Be On Cloud tend to be a bit more on the realistic side so I waited for the series to finish before thinking of giving it a try. I already know there's one happy ending, and another more tragic though I don't know the details... And I'm really not in the mood for anything depressing, so it will have to wait.
To Sir With Love finished on a good note, so I think this one will as well ^^

Take care as well ^^ Thanks for the long post ^^

It's pretty clear she is but jury is still out whether Chen is really Hao Ming's son. I'm of the opinion that she lied and he is not.

I know we all want Saenkaew's Papa to go 6 feet under... But let's be honest here. His concerns are valid.
I'm not saying I'm excusing all the sh** he's making our couple go through, but I genuinely think that his concerns regarding his son account for at least 70%, the other 30% being prestige and money.

At the end of the day, being gay even 65 years later i.e now, depending on the country you live in and the family you were born in, is not simple. No parents wants their kids to go through all the discrimination that goes with being part of that group. You literally could be discriminated for everything, including finding a place and a job so you can't blame the dude for doing his best to make sure Saenkaew finds a good wife and has children.

For those of you who are young, in the 80s, HIV came out. It was a huge epidemic and people didn't know how it was transmitted. At that time, most of the victims were from the gay community so literally being ousted was to be socially murdered. People didn't even want to touch you.
If you were doing a job involving children such as being a teacher, you could lose your livelihood without any warning.

The reason it touched mostly gays was simply because lots of them were living on the fringe of society having been ousted by their family, which led to drugs and lots of prostitution. This is still a problem though it's less widespread now that people are more tolerant... which again really depends on where you were lucky enough to be born location-wise and family-wise.

The World Health Organisation still considered Homosexuality an Illness up to 1990. I was already born back then.

So again, the Papa is cruel, but he's basically doing his best based on the mindset of that time. Young people only think about love, older people have gone through life, they're much more aware of the risks and consequences. Doesn't mean I don't see him as a major asshole, because I think there's probably kinder ways to deal with this "issue"... But men of that time were told to be tough, not express feelings or cry publicly. So any emotion would be generally expressed by rage and violence. I think this is also something to take into account.

It's Sasin and his lady friends who are actually the odd ones.
Also, Papa Saen probably thinks that once Saenkaew has settled, he'll be happy with his life and his "tendencies" will naturally dissapear. After all, even nowadays you find camps around the globe to "cure homosexuality" ... This story happens in the 60s. It was even worse.

I'm not saying I don't want him dead though. I HATE HIM. But I get were he's coming from.

lolz

True! Xu Yan's comparison with her own family will probably help Chen put his situation in perspective.

Ok I think I'm going to stop watching this after today's episode... I'll just binge episode 9 to 12 because next week seems truly horrible. I'm just stressed nonstop.

If your country is Thailand or a Thailand lookalike, your national anthem should be in your mother tongue like err... EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY on this planet. But to each one their own.

OK. Now I don't care. Just make the dad die by the end of the show.

I'm not watching the episode but basically from the little scene I saw, Pin did something. Conclusion: Sasin got shot. I think it's just a warning that he should stay away but shit is hitting the fan fast.

I'm going to assume she didn't know the consequences of her action for now... But I'm still on the fence regarding her character.

Usually this type of innocent characters only wake up from their "descent into evil-land" when there's already irreversible consequences done to the main pair.

Well I KNEW IT!

I think the preview hinted at him working for the person on the directors' board who was absent when Hao Ming was voted out of it... It's the same person that worked in the shadows to support the dude responsible for delay and extra cost on the building construction Hao Ming had been sent to a couple of episodes prior.