Kannadin

Spoiler for episode 12

As usual, thank you for your kind words Diva70 😀 I'm always a bit worried about the way I express myself since English is my second language. But yeah sadly, it seems online, people tend to get enraged all the time and throw personal attacks on people based on their opinions. When you point it out, some either are in denial or just don't even realize how aggressive they sound. I've personally found no solution to this problem except blocking people. This thread has remained mostly civil which is a rarity on this website but it's also (sadly) because this series is not followed as much as the others.

I also think your cousin made the right call. It's way better to do that when you are young. Without going into too much details. I personally always knew what I wanted to do, but since it wasn't " a real job", I went from studying one thing to the other and when I finally settled for something more "classic" but for which I was passionate about (a second passion so to speak), personal life took over and I faced some serious family issues in my mid-twenties which pushed me towards becoming financially independent as soon as possible. Which led me to becoming utterly miserable and go through a depression in my late 20s. That's when I decided I was no longer going to listen to anyone but myself and I was going to do EVERYTHING I wanted. First and Second passion. No compromise.

But obviously, past a certain age, you have to fare for yourself so just saving enough to quit my job all the while studying what I wanted on the side took 10 years and I'm still working on it. But I had taken back my dream, which was enough to keep me sane ^^ The only person who supported me back then was my mom. It's something I personally will never forget.

I was in a really dark place but I didn't have the right to be unhappy given my "position in Society." And it's not that I didn't feel guilty seeing how most people struggle to pay their bills, but you feel how you feel, and I just couldn't see myself living my life that way feeling completely dead inside.

I had a very hard time reining in my mood and I would lash out at her repeatedly every time she would try to make a suggestion or whatever. I couldn't control it, I felt guilty about it, yet my mom never blamed me nor said anything hurtful neither back then neither now.

That's unconditional love right here. My father just chose to close his eyes and ears because it was easier. I don't blame him... BUT nobody can blame me for always prioritizing my mum now. She's the only one who stood by me... and my God we really don't agree on some very big things in life. We used to argue a LOT about quite a lot of things... We still do.

But I also know that no matter how big the argument, she will always put my well-being first over her own. I don't know if it's a mother thing but as much as my father loves me, I know he's incapable of that. I don't think it should be asked of anyone for that matter.

I'm not sure I'd be capable of that level of selflessness if I was a parent myself.

Anyway, we live in a Society that is making everyone anxious, if you've managed to grab a sit, you better hold onto it because life is hard out there. Hence taking a leap of faith becomes increasingly difficult.

But I guess that's great because, anxiety is good for consumption.

People who are happy don't spend lots of money, people who are too depressed don't spend any either because they're waiting to die anyway, so it's important to keep people in that middle: neither too happy nor too depressed so that they fill the void with countless dopamine rush through mindless purchases.

I'm also of the mind that even if the bank account is not full, it's better to be at peace with oneself which is what your cousin did and it's truly admirable to have done that just after getting his diploma.

Like you I've seen too many people complaining endlessly about their lives and being bitter about it. My mother is one such example. I don't wish that to anyone. I think it's really important to prioritize one's mental health and too often we're offered the "take some pills solution" which just doesn't solve the root problem.

Anyway, I wish your cousin the best. Me? Well. Still no regret, but I've got to admit I have a hard time mentally dealing with the financial insecurity. I could seriously do without... But I knew it was not going to be easy.

Life is a long journey ^^ Things will work out at some point. In 10 to 20 years, I'll look back at this money-stress period with a smile on my face.

Ever the optimist 😎

Hmm... Thanks for your long reply.
You make a fair point...

But I still H.A.T.E her though. My rational brain tells me you're right. My reptilian brain still doesn't care ^^

I mean I don't entirely disagree with your answer, but again regarding this:

"Pin grew up in a specific family, with specific conditioning, in a specific class position that valued reputation above all else. The women’s suffrage movement existed, yes. But did Pin’s father teach her about it? Did her social circle model resistance? Was she ever told she could imagine a life beyond marriage? The tools for resistance existed in her society, but that doesn’t mean they existed in her world."

The drama establishes that she has at least access to that, even if her father didn't teach her.

1. There's the character os Songsawat who everybody knows. She's an actress, independent in her own right, also officially the mistress of a powerful man... but at the end of the day, still somebody who goes against tradition.

2. As pointed out by Diva70 earlier, there's Rachawadi who not only is the boss of the lounge but also somebody who holds gay marriages inside of it. Again I'm back to Diva70 comment because it's better written than mine but, Pin is not ill at ease with this place.

In fact I even wondered the first time Saenkaew went there how she could have brought him here, not knowing how he felt about the subject altogether... I mean rationally speaking, if he was a homophobe, he could have considered her having low moral standings, not even accounting for the fact that she's from a merchants' family and he is a noble.

But I disgress. My point is, she already knows there's other possibilities but she chooses not to... I get it, change is frightening. Often people prefer to stay in a situation that is familiar even if they don't like it, instead of getting to a better place but having to face a difficult journey ahead.

I know it first hand. Quit my civil servant's job 3 years ago to pursue my passion. A VERY well-paid job might I add, everybody thought I was crazy especially doing that at my age. Well, here we are 3 years later.
Can't say they weren't right looking at my finances, savings almost all gone, still no light at the end of the tunnel... But I tried, I've got no regrets... for now. Bank account is almost empty, but mentally I'm still at a better place than when I used to do my former job.

Anyway I disgress.

My point is I don't entirely disagree with what you wrote... But there's one major thing when I just can't agree with you which is this:

"You’re free to hold her accountable. I do too. I just also hold the system accountable for producing someone so broken she can’t imagine another way.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"

For me it's not that "She can't imagine another way." It's more a matter of she doesn't want to, because she lacks the courage to do it.

And I could understand if she was alone... But that's not the case. She has a cousin who loves her, who she can still throw tantrums at. Being angry a couple of days was... fine I guess. But now to me, she's running out of excuses.

At the end of the day, Society does hold part of the blame, but people have their own agency.

You know I would have partially agreed with your comment if the story had been set in the 19th century... But not in the 20th especially post WWII.

Society was already changing, she chose to go low. It's weird to me to read about a comment of women in the 1960s being "shackled by Society" when most of the changes and benefits we get these days came from the fight of women from that period or even earlier.

Seriously, women in Thailand got the right to vote in 1932 . Let's make a comparison with other "more developed country" shall we?

1. Pin is the typical example of why being a victim doesn't mean you won't ever become a tyrant. But self-reflection seems to be beyond her at this point.

2. She's not helpless in this situation. She's making everyone miserable because she wanted everything: the man, the money, the beautiful marriage. She wanted her fairytale, and she realized she won't be getting it. She could have been left miserable and alone in that situation but no she had a support system which she chose to get rid of.

Yes Saenkaew and Sasin tried to get rid of the marriage but it was never for her to stay trapped in her old life, it was also to prevent her to move from one prison to the other. She was unhappy in her father's life, now she chooses to be unhappy in her husband's life... Which again, is utterly stupid.

People change, and toxic marriage lead to increasing resentment. Who's to say the Prince won't become a cruel wife beater? The drama is being nice with Saenkaew because we need to root for him, but it could have gone that way. This could have been the story of a Prince who fought against fate, failed at it because of money hungry people and his wife, and ended up bitter and resentful, alcoholic and lashing at the world... especially at his wife.

In such situation, someone with a rational mind would calm down and help Sasin and Saenkaew to find a satisfying compromise. For instance, help with the marriage scheme with the lounge owner, in exchange for a good chunk of money to get her own freedom. Also Sasin would have stood by her so she wouldn't have been left alone anyway.

Though I hate the father, at least, he really has "History" on his side so to speak. Pin doesn't.

Again as Diva70 wrote, she had a choice. She chose that. Let her deal with the consequences.

For me your comment is akin to people excusing the Delulu Grandma because of her age. Feels to me that the members who are saying that are very young and never have met anybody 70 or older.

They've seen most on them on TV and imagine most people that age already have Alzeimer and are half dead... Which is just SO NOT the case.
Of course, you do have people like that, but most are still young thank you very much, with a well rounded working mind. I find such comments insulting but I'm putting it on the case of"When I was young, I though people who were 50 were already walking with a cane."

Ah well, it's been a while. My memory failed me.

Thanks for the warning. I was planning on watching it but now that's a pass. I'm off to erase it from my Viki list of shows to watch then.

Let's be clear... This is a "worst case scenario". I'd rather they both die and let all those who hurt them wallow in regret than having one survive blaming himself for what happened to the other.

Until we meet again had a "good ending" on both front.
One was killed, the other committed suicide, the whole family was unhappy: Best revenge ever... And then they reunited in their second life, so even better.

But, I don't think reincarnation is part of the deal here, so let's just hope we do get that happy ending tomorrow.

That would be great ^^ I would definitely tune in if they act again together 😀

I think I'm going to TRY to do the same...

Though I suspect I'm gonna fail miserably... I've been watching it live every week since episode 3.

I'm a lost cause 😭😭😭

Yeah I know.... Pisses me off... If it's a happy ending, you can be sure the whole lot of them are gonna be forgiven by the end...

Still crossing my fingers Papa Saen and Pin don't get any forgiveness. As far as I'm concerned, they're both too far gone to deserve it.

I am being positive you know:

1. If it's a double suicide, they win since all the rest of them are gonna be in utter misery for life.... Well probably not Pin's father... But honestly in spite of what happened in episode 11, I still think he's a lesser evil compared to the others. There's nothing worse than psychological torture in my opinion and Pin and Saenkaew's father are the champions.

2. If it's a happy ending... No matter how that happens of course I'll be satisfied.

THIS BEING SAID. I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT to see Sasin and Saenkaew giving Pin the evil eyes.

So far they've been really kind to her in spite of everything she's done, they never looked at her with hate... It would be great if they could give her a taste of her own medecine. Let her know she did her best to get those looks of utter hate and that no matter what happens from now on, they both want nothing to do with her.

I want her to be as UNHAPPY as she's making the others... After all, it's what she wanted, so let her get what she wants 😈😈😈

If it's a sad ending, I'm still voting for Double suicide.

This sadly is a stapple of Asian series overall... Though I've noticed these past few years it's been less the case in Korean and Chinese dramas (doesn't mean it still doesn't happen though).

I'll tell you what I think once I get there... I don't really see how she can be badass having lived her whole life in a convent and being forbidden to interact with the outside world... That would be totally incoherent.

hmmm... That' s up for debate. Maybe she would have shown a bit more humanity who knows? Honestly she's too far gone for me to care. Even if she manages to get back some empathy... It's too late for me. I want her out of their lives altogether (though that won't happen obviously per Asian rules, unless they both die, she'll be forgiven... as usual.)

From what I gathered in that scene, she didn't really want the wedding night per say. She "just" wanted Saenkaew to appear more alive and responsive like the way he was behaving before the marriage when he was still making an effort (because he still had some hope).

Now he's basically resigned himself to becoming an obedient puppet as long as it protects Sasin, he doesn't care.

Basically Pin and his father got what they wanted... BUUUUUUUUUUT they're not happy about it because they would like Saenkaew to smile and pretend he's ok. Except, he's dead inside and no longer cares.

Anyway, when she lashed out about asking him to bed her (though she didn't say it as straightforwardly as that), she was more asking for him to love her or at least pretend to... Something he's just no longer capable of.

Got to say, it's difficult to see Saenkaew like that BUT I'm happy about it 🤣🤣🤣
They got what they all wanted. He's obedient now. So... Are they happy ??? 😈😈😈

She's in self-pity mode all right. I'm tired of her. I hope we don't see her too much tomorrow.

Lol if you say that about Pin, you obviously didn't watch the preview 🙄

Yeah we're both thinking about this specific scene right? Man... That was hard to watch. That's personally my breaking point with her character. I was hoping for some redemption until then, but after that? I no longer care. Whatever happens to her, I don't give a fudge.