Hong Hae In is not full of pride? Are we watching the same show? She is literally one of the most self centered…
You are 100% correct - but now we will see her transformatio.
For eight episodes, the viewer heard all about Hyun Woo wanting to stay by her side and protect her (the two promises he made before they married) and Hae-in relied upon those promises and took him for granted.
And then viewers learned that the promises SHE made to him (Trust me and I'll never make you cry) were simply done because she wanted to marry him.
That's why the Ep. 8 Epilogue is so profound - Hae-in recognizes for the first time in their relationship that she wants to be by HIS side.
Hong Hae In is not full of pride? Are we watching the same show? She is literally one of the most self centered…
Everybody is "that way" for a reason. Mistress Bitch is evil and conniving because the hard life she had. Eun seong is evil because he feels abandoned. Soo-cheol is like a foolish child because his mother still treats him like a foolish child.
I did not understand...why she left? care to explain please? The scene was heartbreaking
Her entire identity was fake and she was part of the plot to help Yoon take over Queens Group. They paid her a lot of money but she had to disappear.
I think the baby is his but if the pregnancy was planned via the Queens Family Method (artificial insemination), it's possible that the plan all along was to ensure no more heirs.
Which, of course, puts Hae-in's miscarriage in the suspect category as well.
Do you think it's still possible for them to not push through with the divorce given that there is a law that…
This drama is pretty good about accurately describing the legal niceties - when they want to. I've been wondering about the 30 days as well - as in, did the 30 days pass already and that's why the divorce is considered final by everyone? My understanding (when I researched months before) is that when divorce is filed, it's part of the public records but then w/in 30 days the couple appears before a magistrate to confirm that both parties want the divorce and that neither party was coerced.
But they are on a tightly wound schedule - various documents and video dates show a time progression from late June to early July to late July - I'm not sure where the calendar is now. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
I'm convinced that Hyun Woo never placed his seal on the document - which means it was fraudulent and not legally binding - if he can prove it. π
Do you think that Yoon Eunseung's obsession with Haein will make him hurt her π
Not until the last couple of episodes - at which point my fantasy (since episode 2) is that Hyun Woo will provide the kill shot through the eye to save Hae-in.
I find the relocation of the family wierd. CEOs come and go, companies change ownerships but a chaebol always…
Hae-in owns the building in Youngdu-ri. π
The family has gone into hiding because part of Eun-seong's plan is to send them all to jail for embezzlement/fraud (Gramp's slush fund) at which point he would probably gain control of their stock shares while they are in prison.
"Also, is Hyun-yoo actually still working for Queens?"From the previews, it appears that he is still there. Since…
Correct. I'm never sure what some of the corporate terms mean in S. Korea - manager, director, etc. .To the extent he was the leader of the Queens Group Legal Department, he reported to the Chairman. However, to the extent he was also the leader of the Queens Department Store legal department, he reported to the CEO of the Departmment Store (Hae-in) and apparently can only be fired "for cause". I assume that at that level, he had an empliyment contract but don't anticipate that the writers will dive too far into the details.
If youβve ever been to Seoul and been on line two, you would realize that they filmed that subway going the…
Hubby and I are planning a trip to S. Korea w/in the next year and I was wondering if I should put this (the subway/train)on my bucket list because I really would love to see a sunset over the Han River while we are there. π
After watching episode 8, besides the main events like Hae In and Hyun Woo's divorce and the problems with the…
His obsession with Hae In will be his downfall. Mama wants him All To Herself and sharing with another woman is not on her agenda. A few days ago, I said I thought that in the end Eun seong would end up killing his mother and folks said "why". Well, THIS is why.
Kill evil Mom and then Hyun Woo can provide the sniper kil shot to Eun Seong's eye and karma will reign once again.
Hats off to the writers for giving us another outstanding episode. Episode 8 is usually when a major development…
"Also, is Hyun-yoo actually still working for Queens?"
From the previews, it appears that he is still there. Since he is the squeakiest clean of all squeaky clean kdrama heroes, they can't fire him "for cause", so if Eun Seong tries, then Hyun Woo can sue for wrongful discharge. I guess I should stipulate that this would be the situation in the USA, but pretty sure South Korea would be the same.
Agree w/you about Da Hye - I wonder if she holds some stock that the Evil Gang assumes will never be used against them??
I just caught this scene in Ep. 7: Father Hong asked if Hyun Woo admitted to signing the divorce papers. His wife said "who gives a f**k". Well, she didn't really say that, but I thought it was interesting that the question was asked - but not answered.
So, if his seal was done by someone else (which I believe with my whole heart because we never saw him do the deed), then. . . . tada - divorce may not be legal.
Korean might like romance and comedies but they LOVE corporate intrigue, secrets and heroes who rebound and save the day and Queen of Tears has it all.
Despite being a cretin, I do feel for SooCheol. She did him dirty, the poor bastard thought he was growing a family,…
When I get obsessed with a drama (the type that has mysteries and secrets, lol), I keep a big notebook and I frequently prepare timelines/history (which I posted in the discussion forum - needs to updated, lol).
Anyway, I just checked my notebook and then re-watched Episode 6, and at Mark 1.11: " Sun-yeong was arrested for adultery three years prior to her death. She gave birth behind bars. " Yes, 30 years ago, adultery was illegal. And now your question compelled me to do research and (whether the drama follows the legal niceties or not, we shall see) but the charge of adultery is brought by the SPOUSE of the cheater. So, if they are following the law at that time, she was married and it was her husband that brought the charges. Big shock to me!
So, based upon that - it is possible that she cheated with the chairman or another Hong family member but it was her husband at the time that charged her with adultery. I am now re-thinking everything. But if she cheated with the chairman or another close family member, they knew her as Sun-yeong.
There's still a great deal we don't know about that era - who was there at the time of the boat accident? Why did Eun Seong kill the dog? why did he go to the USA right after killing the dog? Happy sleuthing. π
Whatever the outcome, I'm enjoying reading the speculation and theories everyone has. Stay tuned. π
If HI is actually suffering the effects of poisoning, then it's likely because Seul Hee did not like the attachment…
I admit that I wasn't able to watch the full episode w/out heavy FF finger - Got out of the bed as soon as it released on Netflix, but w/in an hour was committed to Easter family stuff.
I guess this answer would be a spoiler( so please tag if you are able to respond) but does Grace know that Eun Seong is the mistress' son? Does she know that the Mistress has been the mastermind? Because before today, the answer was "no" to those questions.
Despite being a cretin, I do feel for SooCheol. She did him dirty, the poor bastard thought he was growing a family,…
She became his mistress THIRTY years ago - almost immediately after leaving prison and assuming a new identity. Eun-seong is 34 years old. If he was the Chairman's son, then the Chairman would have known her previously by her birth name - before she went to prison for adultery.
In order to commit adultery, there must be a wife. And there is nothing to indicate that the uncle was married at any time. In fact, the moment the Grandmother died, Uncle was falsely accused of embezzlement and expelled from Queens Group (but I bet he still holds some stockπ)
She had access to the money because SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE SCHOLARSHIP FUND ((sorry for the caps, but it's important) going all the way back to the time that they were providing scholarships to the orphans. Grandmother wasn't in charge of the scholarship fund, his mistress was (perhaps that's how they met? perhaps she assumed the identity of the woman who was supposed to head the scholarship fund. I don't know - but i'm positive that she was using those funds to pay for Eun Seong's sojourn in the uSA. And for Da Hye as well.
If HI is actually suffering the effects of poisoning, then it's likely because Seul Hee did not like the attachment…
Seul Hee had no idea that her son was obsessed with Hae-in. In fact, I'm not sure that she does know yet.
It's possible she may have instructed him to try and woo Haae-in when they were at University in the USA, but in her mind it was always part of the scam.
His job was to gain the trust of the family - but Hae In never went along with it - thus Soo Cheol became the target.
At some point, her son is going to betray her. I know nothing about the actress, but she really doesn't seem to be up to "crazy insanity" the way Auntie Hong actress can do it. Maybe it will be cold-blooded insanity.
Despite being a cretin, I do feel for SooCheol. She did him dirty, the poor bastard thought he was growing a family,…
"who the freak would have all that money to send him to school with a 60k USD tuition per year? His mom hadn't swindled her way into the Chairman's house yet at the time!"
mistress Bitch was his mistress at the time and in charge of the Queens Scholarship program. That's why she was the orphanage back then - they were holding a scholarship ceremony.
My assumption is that She was embezzling from the fund to pay for the US family and school.
That's how I connect the dots, but there might be a different answer.
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For eight episodes, the viewer heard all about Hyun Woo wanting to stay by her side and protect her (the two promises he made before they married) and Hae-in relied upon those promises and took him for granted.
And then viewers learned that the promises SHE made to him (Trust me and I'll never make you cry) were simply done because she wanted to marry him.
That's why the Ep. 8 Epilogue is so profound - Hae-in recognizes for the first time in their relationship that she wants to be by HIS side.
I think the baby is his but if the pregnancy was planned via the Queens Family Method (artificial insemination), it's possible that the plan all along was to ensure no more heirs.
Which, of course, puts Hae-in's miscarriage in the suspect category as well.
But they are on a tightly wound schedule - various documents and video dates show a time progression from late June to early July to late July - I'm not sure where the calendar is now. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
I'm convinced that Hyun Woo never placed his seal on the document - which means it was fraudulent and not legally binding - if he can prove it. π
The family has gone into hiding because part of Eun-seong's plan is to send them all to jail for embezzlement/fraud (Gramp's slush fund) at which point he would probably gain control of their stock shares while they are in prison.
.To the extent he was the leader of the Queens Group Legal Department, he reported to the Chairman. However, to the extent he was also the leader of the Queens Department Store legal department, he reported to the CEO of the Departmment Store (Hae-in) and apparently can only be fired "for cause". I assume that at that level, he had an empliyment contract but don't anticipate that the writers will dive too far into the details.
She moved into the house 20 years ago when Grandmother died.
Kill evil Mom and then Hyun Woo can provide the sniper kil shot to Eun Seong's eye and karma will reign once again.
From the previews, it appears that he is still there. Since he is the squeakiest clean of all squeaky clean kdrama heroes, they can't fire him "for cause", so if Eun Seong tries, then Hyun Woo can sue for wrongful discharge. I guess I should stipulate that this would be the situation in the USA, but pretty sure South Korea would be the same.
Agree w/you about Da Hye - I wonder if she holds some stock that the Evil Gang assumes will never be used against them??
So, if his seal was done by someone else (which I believe with my whole heart because we never saw him do the deed), then. . . . tada - divorce may not be legal.
But she can sell some of her stock if she wishes, lol.
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Korean might like romance and comedies but they LOVE corporate intrigue, secrets and heroes who rebound and save the day and Queen of Tears has it all.
Anyway, I just checked my notebook and then re-watched Episode 6, and at Mark 1.11: " Sun-yeong was arrested for adultery three years prior to her death. She gave birth behind bars. " Yes, 30 years ago, adultery was illegal. And now your question compelled me to do research and (whether the drama follows the legal niceties or not, we shall see) but the charge of adultery is brought by the SPOUSE of the cheater. So, if they are following the law at that time, she was married and it was her husband that brought the charges. Big shock to me!
So, based upon that - it is possible that she cheated with the chairman or another Hong family member but it was her husband at the time that charged her with adultery. I am now re-thinking everything. But if she cheated with the chairman or another close family member, they knew her as Sun-yeong.
There's still a great deal we don't know about that era - who was there at the time of the boat accident? Why did Eun Seong kill the dog? why did he go to the USA right after killing the dog? Happy sleuthing. π
Whatever the outcome, I'm enjoying reading the speculation and theories everyone has. Stay tuned. π
I guess this answer would be a spoiler( so please tag if you are able to respond) but does Grace know that Eun Seong is the mistress' son? Does she know that the Mistress has been the mastermind? Because before today, the answer was "no" to those questions.
In order to commit adultery, there must be a wife. And there is nothing to indicate that the uncle was married at any time. In fact, the moment the Grandmother died, Uncle was falsely accused of embezzlement and expelled from Queens Group (but I bet he still holds some stockπ)
She had access to the money because SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE SCHOLARSHIP FUND ((sorry for the caps, but it's important) going all the way back to the time that they were providing scholarships to the orphans. Grandmother wasn't in charge of the scholarship fund, his mistress was (perhaps that's how they met? perhaps she assumed the identity of the woman who was supposed to head the scholarship fund. I don't know - but i'm positive that she was using those funds to pay for Eun Seong's sojourn in the uSA. And for Da Hye as well.
I wonder if she owns any stock in the company??
It's possible she may have instructed him to try and woo Haae-in when they were at University in the USA, but in her mind it was always part of the scam.
His job was to gain the trust of the family - but Hae In never went along with it - thus Soo Cheol became the target.
At some point, her son is going to betray her. I know nothing about the actress, but she really doesn't seem to be up to "crazy insanity" the way Auntie Hong actress can do it. Maybe it will be cold-blooded insanity.
mistress Bitch was his mistress at the time and in charge of the Queens Scholarship program. That's why she was the orphanage back then - they were holding a scholarship ceremony.
My assumption is that She was embezzling from the fund to pay for the US family and school.
That's how I connect the dots, but there might be a different answer.