It's ludicrous but at the same time not amusing at all. There's nothing here that can hold you to your seat (or bed) or compell you to stay rooted for characters. It's just blabbering of a plot through characters that doesn't even make sense (not because it's complex but because it's so fucking dumb) and for some reason the writer thought it was a good story to be told! I agree with your points especially the acting part. Song Kang and KSH are good actors but i hated their portrayal of what material they were given to work with.
It did feel a bit too cheesey dramatic, with the way this was filmed & written, etc but actually the act of returning…
Well yes, it does help with trauma focused therapeutics but totally not the way they showed it. It doesn't do anything except the fact the it makes the person able to withstand the backlash of memories because the place will only do that for you. In order to get treated, one needs to come to peace with the event even when it's far from that. It's a step in a cognitive behavioural treatment of trauma but not the whole treatment. Frankly it didn't make sense here.
It all started with the Love Alarm app though.Imagine people making their lives so complicated and pestering others…
I have no complaints about who she ended up with, what bothered me is the "How", "What" and "Why" of every character. The pre-events that led up to the ending was inconsistent and boring as hell. Her choices and decisions literally didn't make sense and when it did, it achieved nothing but mediocrity for me as a viewer. I do sympathise with her past and fears but that's not a justifiable reason fot her to treat people the way she did (both HY and SO). Scroll down a little, someone (W two worlds season 2) explained her character and it made sense. I think it's logical enough to see that she was a mess and when they gave her the development at the end (the marathon, lol), it seemed unrealistic and fake. My complaint about the character of HY never was his moral values (he's a good man) but his traits as a character. He had nothing to offer other than his feelings for JJ and that's not enough for the ML of a drama. His feelings didn't make sense to and his character offered nothing to be interested in. Idk why you think SO's character was fine to be sidelined based on a matter of who deserves what. I expect good character development and storylines for characters they showed me in season 1, not SO being used as a propp for the main couple when he could been so much more on his own. I expected his character to get a closure but it didn't. His ending was nothing more than a forced and undeserving relationship with YJ. The man didn't even feel attracted to her let alone love but the writers thought it was okay to do that. This drama has serious issues and the review i shared (link above) explains it.
After watching Love Alarm season 2, i actually feel like this wasn't so bad. That show makes me pull my hair and i only was attached to it because it was my first kdrama. Nothing makes sense there while it does here, well mostly. I don't know if I'll ever be able to watch a love triangle again, maybe if it's like My love from the star or Master's Sun.
https://kisskh.at/profile/U123S123/reviews This review is so true, it says everything that's terrible about this drama. Imagine having the ML (HY) of the drama only having a single thing to offer as a character, his undying feelings for JJ that he harboured for 5 years even when he didn't know anything about our mess of a FL. Imagine having a FL whose every scenario didn't make sense. Who never bothered to care about anyone except herself just because she was insecure and then having to watch her "overcome" everything by running in a freaking marathon, like really! The writers didn't even bothered to put an effort at this point. Imagine the ML (the most multi-dimensional character in the show) of season one having completely different characterization from the previous season and the webtoon and be sidelined, to be used only as a plot device for the main couple to make sense. Imagine him not getting a sensible closure and getting negligible screen time when 80+% of viewers from season one were interested more in his character than the ML because he offered more as a character.
Yeah it was a mess if you watch it from a prespective of a cinematic experience rather than a personal preference and attention to a ship only.
I mean it's not my thing, and we know it ain't gonna happen in canon but I'm firmly ship and let ship. They wanna…
So your problem with the original comment is that i shouldn't put a moral judgement on people's preferences? I wonder why i shouldn't? Look, i never shamed people into anything other than the fact that i put an argument as to why i think people shouldn't do that. It's called a disagreement and this forum provides the opportunity for me to say that. It's not about shaming anyone but stating a disagreement with reasons. I don't know why an argument of disagreement is considered as "shaming people" just because my opnion contradicts theirs. Again i never said they can't (permissive) but why they shouldn't (an effort to put an opnion). There's a difference.
It's not about hurting others or themselves but about an idea of theirs i disagree with. I don't know how many times i have to explain the fact that i can disagree with anyone and any idea as long as i am reasonable.
P.S you went off the rails with you previous comment by stating that rational and critical people can differentiate between reality and fiction as opposed to me stating that i judge them by real values and the shows you mentioned aren't popular because people sympathise or love the characters involved but something more along the line of intrest and uniqueness. I loved Micheal's character in God Father 2 and the love was for the consistency and larger than life performance of Al Pacino and not his actions or values as Micheal. Anyway it was nice talking to you, Bye.
I mean it's not my thing, and we know it ain't gonna happen in canon but I'm firmly ship and let ship. They wanna…
What! I was being critical and rational. I don't know why you think I'm not. I never confused fiction with reality but the whole point of watching characters is to understand them and make a connection. A connection that is based upon real understandings and relatablility from viewers. I don't know why you find the idea of judging a character with real values irrational but that's the whole point of watching a drama, to understand what and why the characters do what they do and in order to understand one needs to risk being real. Ever heard of parasocial attachment? Apparently that's a thing and no it isn't only a thing for irrational and unreal people. Good writing tend to do that.
I haven't watched Dexter but i have watched Hannibal (a masterpiece) and that drama neither justified its characters nor forced the viewers to do so. The story was about very dysfunctional and bad characters. The show owned up to it. The thing is the story was unique and interesting. I never felt any reason to justify what Lector did or what Will chose to do. Iwas allowed to judge them and the writer made sure of it when he made the characters as vicious as Lector. That show is popular because the characters and story attracted the viewer's intrest not sympathy for characters. Will was a character to sympathise with in the first two seasons but at the end, the writer chose reality and uniqueness of his character over than sympathy. You don't need likeness, sympathy or a reason to justify characters for a show to be popular and i have no idea why you think so. I am very much interested in JJW but my intrest doesn't mean forgetting what is realistic and what should be.
I mean it's not my thing, and we know it ain't gonna happen in canon but I'm firmly ship and let ship. They wanna…
Okay so i was no way near judgemental (rush to judgement without reasons) in my whole comment. I provided reasons as to why i think so. I think people shouldn't romanticise obsession or sympathise with a cold blooded killer just because the actor portraying him is attractive. My reasons and understandings for judging JJW is the same as i would judge a real person and i assume people do too (not all of them). I don't think there's anything wrong with me saying what people shouldn't do if I'm being reasonable about why i think so. It's like, for example, me saying people shouldn't harm other people or steal. Am i being judgemental here? No, I'm objecting to a belief i think is wrong with reasons. Now you may disagree with those reasons but it in no way should stop me from saying it.
I mean it's not my thing, and we know it ain't gonna happen in canon but I'm firmly ship and let ship. They wanna…
Well i was speaking in the context of "what should be (the right thing)" not what must be. They can ship them all they want but i presented, as you said the "impassioned speech", as to why i think it (sympathising or shiping him with HCY) shouldn't be. My "should" (values and understandings) is what it is.
Are people seriously shipping HCY and JJW? If yes, please stop for the sake of basically everything "love" represents. I kind of feel that the second lead syndrome is kind of becoming a trend based on the actor's facials and the character's feelings towards FL rather than who is meant for and fit with the FL more. I mean people are so focused on what the second lead is feeling only because his feelings aren't reciprocated and that creates a sense of relatablility and to a point sympathy in people's mind (not in JJW case) which shouldn't be enough of a reason to ship him with a FL. I kind of saw that in "true beauty". That show basically fitted so well with what it was set out to achieve and it was the idea of two very traumatised people coming together to heal each other and it was beautiful to watch. I never felt a second lead syndrome there because the ML and FL simply had a more meaningful and beautiful connection whereas she had more of a fun and laid down relationship with the SML. I felt so bad for SML but never shipped him once with the FL when i saw thousands of other people doing it for no reason except their attraction to the SML and their sympathy for his character. The show had other issues which bothered me but never the main couple. The situation here is even more confusing. JJW should never be felt for as we felt for HSJ in "true beauty". JJW is the freaking epitome of someone who's as bad and unworthy of sympathy as it gets. His efforts to keep HCY from PHYSICAL harm only, says nothing but the fact that he's a very twisted person who's keeping the object of his obsession (HCY) out of physical harm that he ordered. He only cares about himself and his obsession, the thing here is his obsession is forcing him to keep her out of a situation that could kill her. It's all about him not her. The man is the real reason behind her father's death (a person most important in her life) and basically is harming her in any way possible (him trying to destroy her career, killing people she's fighting for and much more) except a physical harm. It's like keeping a thing that makes him happy and he likes to keep it unharmed only because he wants her present in his life but she's a person. A person who's emotionally and psychologically hurt because of him and that's as much detestable as him harming her physically if not more. My point being (I'm rambling); his obsession with HCY shouldn't be a reason for people to sympathise with him (just because of unrequited feelings) or even worse ship him with her. That's just wrong and nonsensical.
Hye Yeong was a very interesting character! He stayed calm, loyal, and Jojos rock through out the whole series.…
From the way you described him, it matches what i said about him except the "growth part". He was nice and i never denied that but he was boring as hell. The character had no arc of its own and always came in association with JJ's character throughout. I don't know why you didn't see it when majority of the people did but it is fine too if you find him interesting but i don't and i wrote reasons about it.
I know I will get hate for this lol, but I just wanna say Sun Oh and Jipyeong fans are the most toxic fans.. I…
Now that's a freaking toxic thing to generalise a large group of people as toxic just because some of them may be or because they have different opinion from yours.
I liked the season 1 SO or more accurately i sympathised with him. He was a person who had a very sad life and…
But they made 2 seasons which are completely different from each other. They didn't focus on SO in season 2 at all as a character and didn't even give him a closure. HY on the other hand was the ML of season 2 because the story revolved more around him and he got an ending which actually provided a closure. I think it's understandable why people would call HY the ML since his story was completed but SO's wasn't. Both seasons are their own thing and season 2 procured HY as the ML.
My less attachment and appreciation for HY's character is because he had so little to offer as a character. The base and introductory phase of his whole character is that he has a crush on JJ and this phase continues on for a whole season. Then season 2 tries to build something else for his character (his father situation which still is not enough) but it doesn't fit into the narrative of what i thought of his character because there are 3 to 4 scenes about it only. His struggle with that seems more artificial and momentary than natural and real. His only contribution to the plot is that he's a nice guy who's in love with JJ even when he doesn't know anything about her in season 1 and in season 2 he's the same guy still in love with JJ. That's not enough, for a character to be interesting enough, for the viewers to pay attention. SO's character, on the other hand, was far more than that and actually offered as to what he was as a person. His past, familial problems, his relationship with JJ and his inability to always do the right thing were all initiatives and reasons for me to look at him more as a character. He had potential and was a multi-dimensional character which could go in multiple directions. Now his character created a sense of intrest and attention in my mind. I wanted to know what he'll become and what he can endure whem i finished season 1 but the writers failed miserably at that in season 2. The multiplicity in his character triats presented more to me as a person.
So this what the writers of season 2 did to SO's character:1) They literally made SO a side character in season…
Yes they ruined his character in an attempt for us to dislike him and accept the HY×JJ ending when they could have just made a more interesting arc for him (where he learns self worth, self esteem and his story with YJ where he isn't forcing himself so much) but still go with the ending the wanted (HY and JJ becoming a couple). It's not about the ships for me but about how the writers ruined the character for their own convenience.
Okay, I never understood because I've never seen anyone explain why they like SO so much. Do people actually like…
I liked the season 1 SO or more accurately i sympathised with him. He was a person who had a very sad life and past. The shades of grey in his character and the stimulant of sympathy from his past makes him potentially a more interesting character compared to HY. Don't get me wrong, i liked HY but i was more interested in SO's arc as he had the most potential and space to develop as a character and what's better than development of a character presented to be not good. His character made sense and was a whole character compared to HY who was only shown as a character who was SO's friend and had a crush on JJ in season 1. Most people, including me, had more attachment and intrest in SO's (which is a complete character) than HY's. Season 1 writers built that themselves and i think better writing would establish a main character (HY) properly before being finished with a season. I watched season 2 presuming i would see the story of the character i knew most about (SO) than the one i knew nothing about (HY). The end couple didn't matter to me that much but characters and their arcs definitely did. The writers destroyed SO's character in season 2 and used him him as a plot device (a propp).
So like, I didn't even watch the show but gee whiz. The comments: I didn't like the show because JoJo is selfish…
Thank you for explaining the one thing hundreds of other people explained but people will still say that the ratings are because of ship war when it clearly isn't.
When SO meets JJ after years, the first question he asks is "how's HY?" and then asks JJ "how are you?" but no one asked him how is he doing when he was the one suffering for 5 years, without any fault of his, and didn't even get a closure in the finale!!! That's just sad.
I agree with your points especially the acting part. Song Kang and KSH are good actors but i hated their portrayal of what material they were given to work with.
My complaint about the character of HY never was his moral values (he's a good man) but his traits as a character. He had nothing to offer other than his feelings for JJ and that's not enough for the ML of a drama. His feelings didn't make sense to and his character offered nothing to be interested in.
Idk why you think SO's character was fine to be sidelined based on a matter of who deserves what. I expect good character development and storylines for characters they showed me in season 1, not SO being used as a propp for the main couple when he could been so much more on his own. I expected his character to get a closure but it didn't. His ending was nothing more than a forced and undeserving relationship with YJ. The man didn't even feel attracted to her let alone love but the writers thought it was okay to do that.
This drama has serious issues and the review i shared (link above) explains it.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to watch a love triangle again, maybe if it's like My love from the star or Master's Sun.
P.S: THIS COMMENT SECTION IS A FREAKING LEGEND.
This review is so true, it says everything that's terrible about this drama.
Imagine having the ML (HY) of the drama only having a single thing to offer as a character, his undying feelings for JJ that he harboured for 5 years even when he didn't know anything about our mess of a FL.
Imagine having a FL whose every scenario didn't make sense. Who never bothered to care about anyone except herself just because she was insecure and then having to watch her "overcome" everything by running in a freaking marathon, like really! The writers didn't even bothered to put an effort at this point.
Imagine the ML (the most multi-dimensional character in the show) of season one having completely different characterization from the previous season and the webtoon and be sidelined, to be used only as a plot device for the main couple to make sense. Imagine him not getting a sensible closure and getting negligible screen time when 80+% of viewers from season one were interested more in his character than the ML because he offered more as a character.
Yeah it was a mess if you watch it from a prespective of a cinematic experience rather than a personal preference and attention to a ship only.
Look, i never shamed people into anything other than the fact that i put an argument as to why i think people shouldn't do that. It's called a disagreement and this forum provides the opportunity for me to say that. It's not about shaming anyone but stating a disagreement with reasons. I don't know why an argument of disagreement is considered as "shaming people" just because my opnion contradicts theirs.
Again i never said they can't (permissive) but why they shouldn't (an effort to put an opnion). There's a difference.
It's not about hurting others or themselves but about an idea of theirs i disagree with. I don't know how many times i have to explain the fact that i can disagree with anyone and any idea as long as i am reasonable.
P.S you went off the rails with you previous comment by stating that rational and critical people can differentiate between reality and fiction as opposed to me stating that i judge them by real values and the shows you mentioned aren't popular because people sympathise or love the characters involved but something more along the line of intrest and uniqueness. I loved Micheal's character in God Father 2 and the love was for the consistency and larger than life performance of Al Pacino and not his actions or values as Micheal.
Anyway it was nice talking to you, Bye.
I was being critical and rational. I don't know why you think I'm not. I never confused fiction with reality but the whole point of watching characters is to understand them and make a connection. A connection that is based upon real understandings and relatablility from viewers. I don't know why you find the idea of judging a character with real values irrational but that's the whole point of watching a drama, to understand what and why the characters do what they do and in order to understand one needs to risk being real. Ever heard of parasocial attachment? Apparently that's a thing and no it isn't only a thing for irrational and unreal people. Good writing tend to do that.
I haven't watched Dexter but i have watched Hannibal (a masterpiece) and that drama neither justified its characters nor forced the viewers to do so. The story was about very dysfunctional and bad characters. The show owned up to it. The thing is the story was unique and interesting. I never felt any reason to justify what Lector did or what Will chose to do. Iwas allowed to judge them and the writer made sure of it when he made the characters as vicious as Lector.
That show is popular because the characters and story attracted the viewer's intrest not sympathy for characters. Will was a character to sympathise with in the first two seasons but at the end, the writer chose reality and uniqueness of his character over than sympathy. You don't need likeness, sympathy or a reason to justify characters for a show to be popular and i have no idea why you think so.
I am very much interested in JJW but my intrest doesn't mean forgetting what is realistic and what should be.
Am i being judgemental here? No, I'm objecting to a belief i think is wrong with reasons. Now you may disagree with those reasons but it in no way should stop me from saying it.
I kind of feel that the second lead syndrome is kind of becoming a trend based on the actor's facials and the character's feelings towards FL rather than who is meant for and fit with the FL more. I mean people are so focused on what the second lead is feeling only because his feelings aren't reciprocated and that creates a sense of relatablility and to a point sympathy in people's mind (not in JJW case) which shouldn't be enough of a reason to ship him with a FL. I kind of saw that in "true beauty". That show basically fitted so well with what it was set out to achieve and it was the idea of two very traumatised people coming together to heal each other and it was beautiful to watch. I never felt a second lead syndrome there because the ML and FL simply had a more meaningful and beautiful connection whereas she had more of a fun and laid down relationship with the SML. I felt so bad for SML but never shipped him once with the FL when i saw thousands of other people doing it for no reason except their attraction to the SML and their sympathy for his character. The show had other issues which bothered me but never the main couple.
The situation here is even more confusing. JJW should never be felt for as we felt for HSJ in "true beauty". JJW is the freaking epitome of someone who's as bad and unworthy of sympathy as it gets. His efforts to keep HCY from PHYSICAL harm only, says nothing but the fact that he's a very twisted person who's keeping the object of his obsession (HCY) out of physical harm that he ordered. He only cares about himself and his obsession, the thing here is his obsession is forcing him to keep her out of a situation that could kill her. It's all about him not her. The man is the real reason behind her father's death (a person most important in her life) and basically is harming her in any way possible (him trying to destroy her career, killing people she's fighting for and much more) except a physical harm. It's like keeping a thing that makes him happy and he likes to keep it unharmed only because he wants her present in his life but she's a person. A person who's emotionally and psychologically hurt because of him and that's as much detestable as him harming her physically if not more.
My point being (I'm rambling); his obsession with HCY shouldn't be a reason for people to sympathise with him (just because of unrequited feelings) or even worse ship him with her. That's just wrong and nonsensical.
I don't know why you didn't see it when majority of the people did but it is fine too if you find him interesting but i don't and i wrote reasons about it.
SO's character, on the other hand, was far more than that and actually offered as to what he was as a person. His past, familial problems, his relationship with JJ and his inability to always do the right thing were all initiatives and reasons for me to look at him more as a character. He had potential and was a multi-dimensional character which could go in multiple directions. Now his character created a sense of intrest and attention in my mind. I wanted to know what he'll become and what he can endure whem i finished season 1 but the writers failed miserably at that in season 2.
The multiplicity in his character triats presented more to me as a person.