Im so tired. Idk when wqs the last time i was this tired over having different opinions with my drama community.
This drama showed us some complex character. Not a straight easy green or red flag. Just complex humans we cant put into boxes. Tbh its not even that hard but i see it is for many.
Why is kindness such a difficult thing to achieve. Why should Shang Zitao decode his hidden feelings and care. Shang Zitao never asked for protection. She wanted a bf who cares and shows them openly. Someone who is kind and supportive. Not a compliment here and there like she has to earn those compliments.
Luke is consistent. His consistency lead to their break up. He called her ordinary and dumb to the very end. Even in their final fight he asks why she cant take a loss. Im thinking if Luke is the one who is dumb. He knows that it was unfair that she had lost her specialist title. So why does he make some stupid comments.
Has the dramas made people stupid too. Someone who loves and cares deeply but cant show them is not romantic. He has sacrificed sm for her, he fought for her, he always was there for her in secret. You show them, only then can the other person feel loved and cherished.
If Shang zitao had felt loved Luke would be the first to know everything. The good and bad. Every small thing in her life. She’s hesitant because of how he made her feel. From their initial relationship to now, only she grew in the relationship. She communicated more and told him whats wrong. He assumed and fought and put out harsh words.
If you see their relationship with other poeple then you will know. Flora is good with her parents, friends and co workers. They all have nothing bad to say. But with Luke he cuts off his mom’s, not always the best friend, a very strict boss. They all say Luke is sharp tongued. Its works for him because they dont have to deal with him all the time. But if they knew he was the same in relationship or worse with words then everyone would pity Flora.
I wish Shang Zitao found someone new. Someone who didnt say one thing and meant the other. Someone who made her feel respected. Motivated her. Someone who didnt hide behind the mask of their own insecurities and just open with their feelings. And when Luke comes back one day she could say she has really moved on. And no matter what happened in the past good and bad, especially the bad its all fine because it dont matter. Even if she comes to know the truth of how much he did “secretly “ for her is know, she can say Thank you, but they dont matter anymore.
If you cherish a relationship you treat them well. Shang Zitao can live without Luke, but can Luke do that same. If he cant he should have cherished her well
Shang Zitao would be so grateful if she knew Luke and Tracy cared so much. But whats the use, they like to not tell her anything. Luke loves to tell quite the opposite things. As if Shang Zitao cant accept things for what it is.
i wanna punch Tao Tao! Luan Nian is less of a problem. Stop blaming him for everything. He changed, she got worse!
He repeatedly gave her reasons to believe that she was ordinary, dumb and not good enough. You would say he didnt mean them for real. Just passing funny comments. Its not fun. Shang Zitao never took them that way. Especially when they were the only other words he says to her. His compliments are rare. His way of showing love is limited . Its as if he cant be vulnerable in front if her, like she will take advantage of him. While at the same time Shang Zitao is always as real as it gets. He behaves as if only she gets hurt and hes not loosing anything . Even now he said it could have been anyone else that he would have been in relationship with. Implying she’s not special to him.
Im at the break up. This guy says she cant accept a loss. She just have to keep on working hard and she will get it. How can someone be so inconsiderate to even a subordinate. I can only cry for how unfair this is for Shang Zitao. He couldn’t even inform her prior as to how the results are fixed. He says all the hurtful things to her. Then we see him telling Tracy that its unfair and Shang Zitao deserved it. Very nice Luke. Thats how you communicate. Tell it to Tracy so she knows how fair you are. How much you care about Shang Zitao. So Tracy can know and appreciates you.
The more i think about it So you see your gf of 6 years with her roomate and close friend hugging and crying and you conclude that she is cheating? That wants to hang out with other guys? Does he know Shang Zitao as a person? Or does he not trust his gf that he had loved and known for 6 years. My concern would be: why were they crying. Is everything alright. Is there anything i can help her with.
They broke up for 3 months cause when she proposed he said he never thought of those things. But he came back and communicates that he wants them back together. The only time we see Luke communicating and be vulnerable is when hes scared Shang Zitao will really leave him.
What happened after they got back together . Is their relationship public now? How is it any different from before. Timelines are little confusing but atleast a year passed after and things dont seem be that different for me.
Their commutation is still as bad. Except this time Flora directly asked him whats going on and resolved it because she reached out. Luan Nian was being petty and childish even after she told him what happened.
Do tell me which issue so i can agreee or disagree
This drama made me question what a red flag truly is. For so long it was easy to distinguish.
Luke isnt a red flag but i still have issues with him. Wish he trusted her more and communicated instead of his sharp words. But this is taking years!!
While he isnt a red flag, their relationship is. Its unhealthy how they never communicate properly to this day.
I dont even want to talk about the ‘feminist ‘ who has problems with SZT living with opp gender.
Sun Yuanzhu, he was an underrated character but I hope to meet someone like him. Someone who always shows up. Warm and nice. He was home to everyone of his friends and family.
He deserved so much. He was indeed an Angel on earth. Im sorry life wasnt always nice to you, hope there’s another world where you meet and fall for Sun Yu first. So she can give you all the love you deserve.
From todays ep i was gonna say it was both their fault. She never asked him about the rumours in the office and he just left after seeing her hug and cry with the friend. But then she confronted him. You see thats the growth. Shang Zitao was always bothered with his mixed feelings. While previously she would run away and assume things this time she learnt to trust her man. She confronted him about why hes being that way and explained what happened.
Luke looks like this matured man who is secure about himself and his relationship but he’s messy but beautifully puts the blame on his partners.
I may look like a Luke hater but im just disappointed in him.
I think this is exactly where the discussion keeps getting reduced to a false choice.Nobody is saying Lu Nian…
This is a relationship that didn’t start on equal terms. He was her boss and still is. She didnt want people to think she took short cut to get promotions. Also Luke never communicated things with her. She never thought they were gf and bf until he called his gf infront of someone. Just like that one day he called her his gf and established things. U tell that ur gf before others. If you see Flora before establishing their relationship status and after u can see the difference. That one word made a big difference. Its like she had to assume things before that. Did he like her for real, is this just a passing romance then, if his friends knew then maybe this is serious but he didn’t introduce her to his parents.. so maybe not. The relationship started off on the wrong note. Since then Flora has been insecure. She never asked things or communicated. She also assumed its temporary so better to just go with the flow. Work is more important to her anyway. And more reliable.
Flora is the type of person who doesnt put her all into a relationship. Especially one that seems temporary. But Flora has been growing as a person, the more confident she got the more she expressed. She told him she likes to be complimented, to say nothing if he has no nice things to say. Dating app thing was just a misunderstanding but he wasn’t even ready to listen. And she proposed to the guy, what more can she say? That was her both asking him for a sign and proposing him. To say they mean something real. That they have a future together. Bro fumbled there, those were his real thoughts. Im not mad at him but mad that people think its Flora who is ruining it, when its mostly Luke and his mixed signals and that makes her confused as to where they stand.
Luke as a person had a lot to learn in terms of relationships. A lot. Though he has come a long way, he still has things to learn. Everytime they got back together he learned to correct a past mistake of his. And im so happy about that.
Knowing Luke from the future would also agree with me that he was indeed a guy who didn’t treat his gf better gives me so much satisfaction. But most of yall wont be able to see the premium version of Luke in real life cause yall settle for basic version of him
She mostly called him Luke and but he calls her Shang ZiTao . That explains their whole relationship. Most of the times he was only ever her work boss and superior Luke. But to him it doesnt matter. Shang ziTao is the subordinate and his gf. He doesnt see much of a difference.
Someone save me from this Luke is a green flag propaganda and Shang Zitao is the red flag who doesn’t communicate .
I seriously cant anymore. I havent read the novel but I would still say Luke is the one who has to change and learn lots. I wish they kept the novel Luke as it is so it wqs easier for people to distinguish. If people had the same standards in real life then Im worried.
Shang ZiTao cant be mad and ask Luke anything cause Luke has already changed a lot. Girl has to adjust and accept the present Luke. If anything why would she not trust and communicate with him when in danger? why would she hang out with her ex bf? . Oh he said shes an easy target, that was just a passing funny comment. He feels insecure so he drank and said he too is gonna hang out with his ex gf and thats valid.
Im tired to analysing and explaining every single scene. Its like i have spoon feed and say why something so simple is wrong.
Women please demand more. Cause you deserve it. Dont settle for the less. Shang ZiTao isnt perfect human but their relationship is getting better only because when she leaves or gets mad, Luke learnt to be better.
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This drama showed us some complex character. Not a straight easy green or red flag. Just complex humans we cant put into boxes. Tbh its not even that hard but i see it is for many.
Why is kindness such a difficult thing to achieve. Why should Shang Zitao decode his hidden feelings and care. Shang Zitao never asked for protection. She wanted a bf who cares and shows them openly. Someone who is kind and supportive. Not a compliment here and there like she has to earn those compliments.
Luke is consistent. His consistency lead to their break up. He called her ordinary and dumb to the very end. Even in their final fight he asks why she cant take a loss. Im thinking if Luke is the one who is dumb. He knows that it was unfair that she had lost her specialist title. So why does he make some stupid comments.
Has the dramas made people stupid too. Someone who loves and cares deeply but cant show them is not romantic. He has sacrificed sm for her, he fought for her, he always was there for her in secret. You show them, only then can the other person feel loved and cherished.
If Shang zitao had felt loved Luke would be the first to know everything. The good and bad. Every small thing in her life. She’s hesitant because of how he made her feel. From their initial relationship to now, only she grew in the relationship. She communicated more and told him whats wrong. He assumed and fought and put out harsh words.
If you see their relationship with other poeple then you will know. Flora is good with her parents, friends and co workers. They all have nothing bad to say.
But with Luke he cuts off his mom’s, not always the best friend, a very strict boss. They all say Luke is sharp tongued. Its works for him because they dont have to deal with him all the time. But if they knew he was the same in relationship or worse with words then everyone would pity Flora.
And when Luke comes back one day she could say she has really moved on. And no matter what happened in the past good and bad, especially the bad its all fine because it dont matter.
Even if she comes to know the truth of how much he did “secretly “ for her is know, she can say Thank you, but they dont matter anymore.
If you cherish a relationship you treat them well. Shang Zitao can live without Luke, but can Luke do that same. If he cant he should have cherished her well
His compliments are rare. His way of showing love is limited . Its as if he cant be vulnerable in front if her, like she will take advantage of him. While at the same time Shang Zitao is always as real as it gets. He behaves as if only she gets hurt and hes not loosing anything . Even now he said it could have been anyone else that he would have been in relationship with. Implying she’s not special to him.
Then we see him telling Tracy that its unfair and Shang Zitao deserved it. Very nice Luke. Thats how you communicate. Tell it to Tracy so she knows how fair you are. How much you care about Shang Zitao. So Tracy can know and appreciates you.
So you see your gf of 6 years with her roomate and close friend hugging and crying and you conclude that she is cheating? That wants to hang out with other guys?
Does he know Shang Zitao as a person? Or does he not trust his gf that he had loved and known for 6 years.
My concern would be: why were they crying. Is everything alright. Is there anything i can help her with.
What happened after they got back together . Is their relationship public now? How is it any different from before. Timelines are little confusing but atleast a year passed after and things dont seem be that different for me.
Their commutation is still as bad. Except this time Flora directly asked him whats going on and resolved it because she reached out. Luan Nian was being petty and childish even after she told him what happened.
Luke isnt a red flag but i still have issues with him. Wish he trusted her more and communicated instead of his sharp words. But this is taking years!!
While he isnt a red flag, their relationship is. Its unhealthy how they never communicate properly to this day.
I dont even want to talk about the ‘feminist ‘ who has problems with SZT living with opp gender.
He deserved so much. He was indeed an Angel on earth. Im sorry life wasnt always nice to you, hope there’s another world where you meet and fall for Sun Yu first. So she can give you all the love you deserve.
But then she confronted him. You see thats the growth. Shang Zitao was always bothered with his mixed feelings. While previously she would run away and assume things this time she learnt to trust her man. She confronted him about why hes being that way and explained what happened.
Luke looks like this matured man who is secure about himself and his relationship but he’s messy but beautifully puts the blame on his partners.
I may look like a Luke hater but im just disappointed in him.
Also Luke never communicated things with her. She never thought they were gf and bf until he called his gf infront of someone. Just like that one day he called her his gf and established things. U tell that ur gf before others.
If you see Flora before establishing their relationship status and after u can see the difference. That one word made a big difference. Its like she had to assume things before that. Did he like her for real, is this just a passing romance then, if his friends knew then maybe this is serious but he didn’t introduce her to his parents.. so maybe not.
The relationship started off on the wrong note. Since then Flora has been insecure. She never asked things or communicated. She also assumed its temporary so better to just go with the flow. Work is more important to her anyway. And more reliable.
Flora is the type of person who doesnt put her all into a relationship. Especially one that seems temporary. But Flora has been growing as a person, the more confident she got the more she expressed. She told him she likes to be complimented, to say nothing if he has no nice things to say. Dating app thing was just a misunderstanding but he wasn’t even ready to listen. And she proposed to the guy, what more can she say? That was her both asking him for a sign and proposing him. To say they mean something real. That they have a future together. Bro fumbled there, those were his real thoughts. Im not mad at him but mad that people think its Flora who is ruining it, when its mostly Luke and his mixed signals and that makes her confused as to where they stand.
Luke as a person had a lot to learn in terms of relationships. A lot. Though he has come a long way, he still has things to learn. Everytime they got back together he learned to correct a past mistake of his. And im so happy about that.
I seriously cant anymore. I havent read the novel but I would still say Luke is the one who has to change and learn lots. I wish they kept the novel Luke as it is so it wqs easier for people to distinguish. If people had the same standards in real life then Im worried.
Shang ZiTao cant be mad and ask Luke anything cause Luke has already changed a lot. Girl has to adjust and accept the present Luke. If anything why would she not trust and communicate with him when in danger? why would she hang out with her ex bf? . Oh he said shes an easy target, that was just a passing funny comment. He feels insecure so he drank and said he too is gonna hang out with his ex gf and thats valid.
Im tired to analysing and explaining every single scene. Its like i have spoon feed and say why something so simple is wrong.
Women please demand more. Cause you deserve it. Dont settle for the less. Shang ZiTao isnt perfect human but their relationship is getting better only because when she leaves or gets mad, Luke learnt to be better.