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Indeed i can't read mandarin 😅 so THANK YOU for the little quote and the link! it's definitely a rich story and the novel deserves so much attention too.
I had a doubt about the motherly love being the most important but it wasn't portrayed as clearly as the quote. It MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. especially that the last 'core memory' before he fades is about his mother... I think it's a great allusion to motherly love being so important to identity , purpose and emotional "wisdom"...
Then A'shui had become a vessel for the motherly love (which is mainly how the drama portrayed her too) and when she leaves, it gives space for Tang Lici to experience the past and meet his mother.
i'm finally convinced with the reset reasoning, tell me if i got it right:
1. cause & effect leads everyone to make choices, and its a balance
2. everyone is inherently good, they can make bad choices
3. tian realm & immortality breaks the actual harmony of the first 2 principles and is an 'anomally' no one should become immortal...even tang lici (makes sense from the convo with Ye mo) , so removing it brings back the balance of the first 2 principles.
4. giving everyone a second chance with the reset is not necessarily about good vs bad or disturbing cause and effect (playing god), but out of his love & 7 emotions and giving "justice" as they all suffered from the tian Realm.

😮 wow! thank u for the link! i understand his value and philosophy but I still don't know why he chose to reset and not keep the timeline going... as in: even if people do wrong they are still inherently good...
i don't see why it requires a reset because the tragedy is not death: it's turning evil until the end...

my real disappointment is wider than A Shui's end:
If you think about it, both A Shui and Tang Lici sacrificed themselves for their loved ones... they understood each other and mirrored each other nicely, their dialogue was very much needed in the show. Just like she could only help him as her purpose, he needed to "save" humanity as his purpose. So right there, the flaw is that tang Lici's character cannot sustain a love story as he is doomed by a tragedy. the writers did not defy that, and it ends up being an unfulfilled tragic love. Or at least, the writer and the production tell us that their love was not possible in this timeline.. with all the weight of the main plot hanging. I don't necessarily agree but I see how.

I still think Tang Lici's choice to "reset" the timeline does not align with what he learnt from his journey, nor does it align with Fang Zhou's philosophy.
Even if Tang Lici tried till the end to give a chance to Ye Mo, after he killed him, the timeline should have continued... because the story is also about learning to make good choices after bad ones.

I'm still glad they kept a disappointing -barely there- romance with A shui. It's better than nothing! even with all the poor characterization, it was good enough to make us long for their love story. With the opera background of the production, and the epic tragedy of the story, like many dramas, happy reunions are not guaranteed.
After this convo, i appreciate more what was already there in the show for A shui: a pure and innocent love that was tainted by both tang lici's distrust at first, and then by A shui's past. it's a typical enemies to lovers and micommunications trope in dramas that was diffused before it could bud.
I like that the love arc was really not the main focus because love focus dramas tend to be toooooooo focused on the love and lack exactly what WoF excelled in: script and plot.

I think c-dramas should fall in between WoF and a typical love-centered drama. The sense of belonging that Tang Lici was looking for was found in many kind of relationships, love should have been one.

i didn't know the novel version of A shui leaving and how tang lici obsession was !! in the drama that was conpletely absent

i actually love these suggestion! it really feels the show tried but somehow rushed her character in the end... and the link with her brother was not used too well either! i can definitely imagine the wow! reveal with the poem.
i would have added moments where tang lici goes after her or plans a way they'd reunite somehow before she 'dies' for a peaceful end..

i also wish there were earlier references to her brother's heart because she knew way too late...

A shui is one of those 'could have been a great love' regrets as a viewer because we could see the potential... i find the confrontation scene between a shui and Ali fell short because i think there was more, or at least they both did have feelings in their own way. i liked that she was an interest to Tang Lici while being a mysterious character herself and trust was a huge theme between them. i loved A shui's role with the yanmen clan and i agree her characterization would have added to the show regardless of a tragic, happy or unfulfilled love

i think the end actually clashes between 'humans are inheritely kind' because in the story, it was always about people being redeemable until the very end... including their journeys. maybe the author wanted to show that 'circumstances' like tian realm can push ppl to evil, but the ending tells us in order to stay kind you shouldn't be trialed?

that's also partly what i understood except why the sea of reincarnation was relevant to the reset! thank you for explaining!

Oh I seee i clearly did not understand the celestial realm origin. I thought they also originated from earth :O but it would still begs the question as to how he could choose to start over on earth?

Hahaha!! II don't think I understood too well either. From what someone else explained in previous comments, is that he "reset" the tian ren need to have "holy sons": i think he went back to the time the tian rem "separatedfrom or "contacted" the earth to become immortals in the first place and tang lici prevented that from happening... Not sure if I got that part right, but Yemo issue was definitely resolved

I am really thinking hard as to why this ending was thought of as appropriate and it made me think of what tang lici was saying to Ye Mo in the end. how the happiness stem from the contrast of pain and joy, and how things worth remembering arise. So I wonder if the writers (and the author I believe he made the same ending in the book) want us to realize that the first timeline was actually better than the reset?

When she left, i think it was very well done and realistic, but i was SURE like 200% we would see her again before the new timeline.... it doesn't make sense that we don't see how she is doing? compared to Zhong for example... LOL

I also wondered about time travel!!! the first time travel was so limited it was logical... but why Tang Lici was convinced timetravel was the solution? because removing one cause of destruction (Ye Mo) does not remove destruction as a reality. It feels weird to think all these characters were living peacefully with no disturbance because only Ye Mo could be evil?!

thank you for taking the time to explain, I understood that the time travel erases his existence because the purpose of his"existence" was a reaction to Yemo... but I still didn't understand the "realm split" and why he was sure yemo would reborn as mortal and him as something else...

i find the show portrays nicely the main dilemma which is we all start as good... and that was the lesson of fang zhou. i think for once, its a valid miscommunication trope because even tang lici couldn't trust himself... I only wish we saw more nuance from LY in the early episodes of how he became dark

the story is very elaborate and the growth of the main character is really well done, its a high caliber show in terms of scripting and cinematography

the main style and direction of this series is a replay of the past and everytime they reveal one new thing... gotta get used to it!!

absolutely!! the story was really elaborate but all the additional things starting from ep 36 was like HERE WE GO AGAIN and i would have been happy with more episodes which is rare to say! because the last 4 were too cramped and hectic!

yeah but princess royal wasn't the best one.. 😅😅😅