Why? Do you enjoy boring shows? Also, in my book she kind of WAS a villain: She made Vee and Dome feel guilty for something they had no control over, their feelings for each other. Dome dumped her ass weeks before Vee and he hooked up; they didn't break up because Vee was sleeping with Dome on the side. Nevertheless she pitched a fit when she saw them making out.
What I like about this series, there is no toxic ex-GF.At first, I was kinda off with Saen, but eventually fall…
"Toxic." lol Did you come up with that on your own? Could you please explain in what ways their relationship/love was "toxic?" Could you explain what "toxic" actually means. Is it the same as "problematic?"
What's so ridiculous about the perspective of most commenters who have some moral high-horse issue with VeeDome's relationship, is that Dome broke things off with the sister and never touched Vee until that had been over a few weeks. So what's the big drama, and what do either of them need to be forgiven for? The fact that they developed feelings for each other while Dome was still with the sister is simply one of those unavoidable complications that often arise when it comes to romantic love. Should Dome have stayed with her and lived a lie? Is that what all of you folks think would be the right thing? Should Vee go live in a monastery to atone for enticing Dome from his sister? Don't think so.
What the sister SHOULD have said to her brother is "I knew you feel guilty but you did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for."
I would like to see them in a project of their own but I was satisfied with their ending. It left them with hope…
What's so ridiculous about your perspective, and it's the same for most commenters who have some moral high-horse with VeeDome's relationship, is that Dome broke things off with the sister and never touched Vee until that had been over a few weeks. So what's the big drama, and what do either of them need to be forgiven for? The fact that they developed feelings for each other while Dome was still with the sister is simply one of those unavoidable complications that often arise when it comes to romantic love. Should Dome have stayed with her and lived a lie? Is that what all of you folks think would be the right thing? Should Vee go live in a monastery to atone for enticing Dome from his sister? Don't think so.
What the sister SHOULD have said to her brother is "I knew you feel guilty but you did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for."
Masterpiece. Second watch, so picked up a lot of missed details from the first time, when I rated it a 9/10. This is one of the many reasons Lee Je Hoon is perhaps my most admired Korean actor. Just remarkable. The other two leads were perfection in support.
The movie is exhausting, in the way a film lover wants to be exhausted. Such a three-way tragedy and ALL of it stems from inability or unwillingness to speak the truth, though this second watch helped me see how and why Ki Tae withheld truths he felt were impossible to speak, even when his friend from jr. high forward gave him the opportunity to unburden himself. All that inward-turned energy spent every day keeping his secrets turned KT into a monster of sorts. Think of how many people this happens to. It's distressing. I wish I knew why it was that KT's dad, who seemed a decent sort, was completely absent from KT's life.
So loved the scenes that were a memory and also the present at the same time. Maybe I'll bump that to a 9.5/10.
The silent Greek Chorus of nitwits that hung around KT were downright spooky at times.
This is the first fully-coherent thing I've seen from the faux-lengendary Takasha Miike, who for some reason seems to be revered for his cheap and cheesy sex/gore-fests, and the best of his films I've seen so far. Ichikawa Ebizo XI is stellar in his lead role, dominating the film even when not on screen. My heart broke for him and the rest of his family.
I found the last, protracted scene difficult to believe; are Samauri not allowed to attack from behind or something?
Anyway, the Japanese were still using these silly, macho codes of "honor" to brainwash 18 year-old kids into suicide-dive-bombing aircraft carriers near the end of WW II. It's always the old dudes watching from the sidelines while the young and gullible do their dirty work.
Second watch after a year or so: Gotta tell ya, it's nice that the ML found his footing toward the end but he was such a spineless POS right up until then, groveling and enabling the horror long before the point where to me a person with a shred of conscience would say "do what you want to me, I won't go any further." He was also just like a wet noodle, shuffling around and moping when he should have been asking for, demanding, help from administrators, teachers, parents, friends, anyone. You don't do what he did before you call the cops, go the principal's office and scream and rant and rave and tell every detail and refuse to leave until someone does something about the bullies. And a couple of half-ass, wimpy attempts to speak to your bitch/blind mother about it, which you drop as soon as she begins to say and give attitude like you knew she would, do not count.
So yes, this time around I totally got that the ML was also a monster, regardless of who made him that way. Such a coward. I mean, what he enabled is really, really horrible. Finally I find it still very difficult to believe that this level of bullying, which is obvious to teachers and administrators, goes on. How could it? Internet bullying is another thing, but that isn't what this was. This was out-in-the-open, in-your-face, physical abuse within the school, in front of everyone. What goes on on social media is more insidious for its invisibility to authority figures.
Hmmm...interesting. I am an emotional person and I cry easily at films that touch me. I didn't tear up once during this film. I didn't hate it, it just didn't penetrate. I didn't come to care about any of the characters, even the ML, who seems to be a fine actor, though I had not encountered his work before. Actually, I actively disliked the FL who disappeared, the mother, the sister and anyone else in the film except the baby. So why would anything that happened to them effect me emotionally? The movie never provided any reason why the ML would so relentlessly search for the FL. She is a horrible person. The guy needs a therapist bad.
Also, this is the type of Korean film I come across now and then that throws in my face all the behavioral tics that seem to be standard in Korea if movies are to be believed, and just made me irritated and annoyed at them:
Everyone is cranky, rude, mean, vicious, angry and resentful in their dialogue with each other, ultra-quick to insult, call names, and generally say the most hateful shit to each other. They hit each other, usually in the head, but the moms usually pull on the clothing and randomly swing their arms at whoever they are angry at in the moment. Everyone is super-quick to ask "why are you doing this to MEEEEEEEEEEE?" The speech patterns Koreans use when they are angry and insulting are incredibly awful. That up-swing at the end of sentences of questions or accusations, usually followed by a repetition of the last syllable. It is SO irritating. They scream at each other constantly, especially at the end of the last sentence of whatever it is they are complaining about. Then we had all the tropes: Ultra-sick mom hiding her illness. People blaming medical problems of one family member on another family member's behavior. Babies or adults getting sick because they went outside. Rushing to a hospital when someone coughs. People leaving for unexplained, irrational reasons, then showing back up expecting to be welcomed. Absent or dead father. If father is alive, he's uncommunicative and a silent bully.
The baby is cute but not cute enough to raise this above a 6.5/10.
I really dislike that this film has the dialogue in English. Completely ruins the otherwise enchanting , engaging visuals and distances me from it as a believable world within the movie. I wonder why they didn't go with spoken Chinese and English subtitles. I will leave this on my to-watch list and may or may not come back to it.
"not exactly for young audiences, is it?" Are you for real? Young people, even kids, know and are aware of, SO…
Well, I am not shocked at all anymore by the predictable SJW complaints about the material and genre they CHOOSE to watch but I always try to push back because I don't want them to be seen as the prominent voice of the BL audience/community.
I asked her if she wanted TS arrested and jailed but she skipped right over that. What the SJWs want it the scripts and stories altered to fit their ideology, so even changing the plot in one BL to suit their preferences is not enough. They want to fundamentally alter BLs into another genre that doesn't have a name yet, but which I suggest should be called Puritanical Fiction for Prudes or PFP.
Isn't it hilarious how she lectures me as to how I am too young to understand the danger of BLs when in reality because I am much older than she I fully understand the danger of moralistic censorious zealots who come around in each generation under a new name and want to control what everyone else gets to read or see or hear.
"not exactly for young audiences, is it?" Are you for real? Young people, even kids, know and are aware of, SO…
I just replied to you above that as far as I could see there was NO "strangling." Oxford Dictionary definition of "strangling:""to squeeze or constrict the neck of (a person or animal), especially so as to cause death." So you go right ahead and REPEAT your false assertion that TS was "strangling" HB, when he clearly was not. Do you really believe TS was trying to kill HB and that had the mother walked in he would have done so? He was holding him against the wall by force, for a second with his hand around his throat, be he was not strangling him. Words have meanings.
Then you go forward and start talking about people being murdered in the name of love. Did TS murder HB? Did he try to? Even if he had, this is a fictional story, it is not actually happening in real life. ANYTHING is fair game for creative fiction. I totally disagree that loving, caring people never lose control, even for a second and that if they do it is unforgivable. Most people aren't perfect, as you appear to think you are.
I love how you condescendingly lecture me about how "young" I am. I am older than dirt; I assure you at least substantially older than you are which is partly why I have a realistic, not imaginary, idea of what the world and people are like. People make mistakes. TS's mistake in grabbing HB was a small one and he immediately apologized in the morning.
Instead of constantly complaining about the content of BLs, why don't you stop watching them and quit trying to ruin the genre for the rest of us? They are almost always based on Mangas and Yaoiis, which often include sexual violence, so deal with it, give up and go watch the Disney Channel? The forbidden/tabbo nature of some of the behaviors in Yaoiis is why they are so popular to begin with. Go away and complain about something else somewhere else.
Wow...just got my mind blown. Throughout this film I kept thinking "where do I know Song Ji Hyo from?" Just looked and it turns out she was the FL, the queen in my one of my top five favorite Asian films "A Frozen Flower." Holy shit! I hated her in that one too but she was excellent in the part! That is cool. She deserves much better roles and movies than this.
What the sister SHOULD have said to her brother is "I knew you feel guilty but you did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for."
What the sister SHOULD have said to her brother is "I knew you feel guilty but you did nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for."
The movie is exhausting, in the way a film lover wants to be exhausted. Such a three-way tragedy and ALL of it stems from inability or unwillingness to speak the truth, though this second watch helped me see how and why Ki Tae withheld truths he felt were impossible to speak, even when his friend from jr. high forward gave him the opportunity to unburden himself. All that inward-turned energy spent every day keeping his secrets turned KT into a monster of sorts. Think of how many people this happens to. It's distressing. I wish I knew why it was that KT's dad, who seemed a decent sort, was completely absent from KT's life.
So loved the scenes that were a memory and also the present at the same time. Maybe I'll bump that to a 9.5/10.
The silent Greek Chorus of nitwits that hung around KT were downright spooky at times.
I found the last, protracted scene difficult to believe; are Samauri not allowed to attack from behind or something?
Anyway, the Japanese were still using these silly, macho codes of "honor" to brainwash 18 year-old kids into suicide-dive-bombing aircraft carriers near the end of WW II. It's always the old dudes watching from the sidelines while the young and gullible do their dirty work.
8.5/10
So yes, this time around I totally got that the ML was also a monster, regardless of who made him that way. Such a coward. I mean, what he enabled is really, really horrible. Finally I find it still very difficult to believe that this level of bullying, which is obvious to teachers and administrators, goes on. How could it? Internet bullying is another thing, but that isn't what this was. This was out-in-the-open, in-your-face, physical abuse within the school, in front of everyone. What goes on on social media is more insidious for its invisibility to authority figures.
Some good acting, but weak story. 7/10
Also, this is the type of Korean film I come across now and then that throws in my face all the behavioral tics that seem to be standard in Korea if movies are to be believed, and just made me irritated and annoyed at them:
Everyone is cranky, rude, mean, vicious, angry and resentful in their dialogue with each other, ultra-quick to insult, call names, and generally say the most hateful shit to each other.
They hit each other, usually in the head, but the moms usually pull on the clothing and randomly swing their arms at whoever they are angry at in the moment.
Everyone is super-quick to ask "why are you doing this to MEEEEEEEEEEE?"
The speech patterns Koreans use when they are angry and insulting are incredibly awful. That up-swing at the end of sentences of questions or accusations, usually followed by a repetition of the last syllable. It is SO irritating.
They scream at each other constantly, especially at the end of the last sentence of whatever it is they are complaining about.
Then we had all the tropes:
Ultra-sick mom hiding her illness.
People blaming medical problems of one family member on another family member's behavior.
Babies or adults getting sick because they went outside.
Rushing to a hospital when someone coughs.
People leaving for unexplained, irrational reasons, then showing back up expecting to be welcomed.
Absent or dead father.
If father is alive, he's uncommunicative and a silent bully.
The baby is cute but not cute enough to raise this above a 6.5/10.
I asked her if she wanted TS arrested and jailed but she skipped right over that. What the SJWs want it the scripts and stories altered to fit their ideology, so even changing the plot in one BL to suit their preferences is not enough. They want to fundamentally alter BLs into another genre that doesn't have a name yet, but which I suggest should be called Puritanical Fiction for Prudes or PFP.
Isn't it hilarious how she lectures me as to how I am too young to understand the danger of BLs when in reality because I am much older than she I fully understand the danger of moralistic censorious zealots who come around in each generation under a new name and want to control what everyone else gets to read or see or hear.
Then you go forward and start talking about people being murdered in the name of love. Did TS murder HB? Did he try to? Even if he had, this is a fictional story, it is not actually happening in real life. ANYTHING is fair game for creative fiction. I totally disagree that loving, caring people never lose control, even for a second and that if they do it is unforgivable. Most people aren't perfect, as you appear to think you are.
I love how you condescendingly lecture me about how "young" I am. I am older than dirt; I assure you at least substantially older than you are which is partly why I have a realistic, not imaginary, idea of what the world and people are like. People make mistakes. TS's mistake in grabbing HB was a small one and he immediately apologized in the morning.
Instead of constantly complaining about the content of BLs, why don't you stop watching them and quit trying to ruin the genre for the rest of us? They are almost always based on Mangas and Yaoiis, which often include sexual violence, so deal with it, give up and go watch the Disney Channel? The forbidden/tabbo nature of some of the behaviors in Yaoiis is why they are so popular to begin with. Go away and complain about something else somewhere else.