Only Aisan know that this is not abuse.We are forever connected to our parents, its not +18 and you go on your…
This is 100% abuse.
Asian customs are a tricky one. We have been taught since we were children to respect elders regardless of how they treat you. Elders are always right. No matter what they do, even if it is physical or mental abuse, we are taught to take it and look after them until they die. Father is a drug addict who abandoned the child at a young age and comes back years later asking for money? Doesn't matter. Mother forced her daughter who was sexually assaulted to marry her assaulter? Doesn't matter. We look after our parents.
What this kind of behaviour does is that it reinforces that Asian parents can literally do anything, raise their children without love and support, and it's okay, because when they get old, they will be looked after because the children HAVE to look after them. They did the bare minimum of giving birth to the child so now the child owes them.
It's an unconditional relationship of obligation that is trained into us Asians.
In this show, the mother is definitely abusive.
She taught her son that failure is not an option. Asian countries have some of the highest suicide rates in the world because of this teaching by parents. A 10 year old jumped into a well and killed herself because her results weren't good enough. A young man jumped off a building when he found out he was wait listed at a university. After they died the parents lamented that they put too much pressure on their children by teaching them that they have no worth outside of grades.
The mother in this show also made it clear that the only way she will let up is if he becomes a prosecutor. That means since he was a child he had no options. Very similar to how Asians force their children to become lawyers, doctors or engineers. No other option is valid. Why? Because what the parent wants trumps what the child wants and what he could be good at. - This implies that if he doesn't become a prosecutor, he's useless to her. She sees him as a project and nothing more. Definitely not a son.
And finally, she gave him trauma around food. This is not forcing him to eat healthy etc., this is pure using food as a punishment to change his behaviour... Like training a dog.
There are various kinds of abuse and many of the actions are excused, but the truth is, many parents don't know what they are doing and pass on generational trauma to their children.
Things like binge eating and choosing abusive partners have been linked by psychologists to how individuals were parented.
I'm happy to see more and more people IRL going to therapy and understanding that yes, their parents were neglectful, their parents taught them the wrong values and they want to stop the trauma with them.
its not abusive to some countries in asia rather its common..i have already graduated . still my mom interferes…
There is a difference between a strict parent and an abusive parent. In this case, this is abusive because she taught her son that failure is not an option. She punished him continuously by using food as a trigger. She took away all of his joy in life to make sure that he does what she wanted him to. If he wanted to be anything other than a prosecutor, then he would be of no use to her.
That's how you know the parent is toxic. If they only give the child love whenever they do what the parent wants and never when the child does something the child wants to do, that means the parent is putting their happiness above the child's. What they selfishly want from the child is more important than the happiness of the child. The child can be miserable for the rest of their lives. They don't care.
the idea that all k-pop stars commit suicide... can a person who has spent many years developing talent, fame,…
Not true. It's important to understand that varying degrees of depression can lead to suicide. There are those who are impulsive about it and there are those who plan it, then you have others who hope to be saved because they are doing it mostly to call someone's bluff, cause pain to others and/or draw attention to themselves.
Suicide is deeply personal. Sometimes it's a well thought out choice due to depression and sometimes it's an impulsive choice because they believe their pain will never go away. Those who are successful in it do it to end their suffering. They don't have the mental capacity to care about others.
Kpop idols, especially, are people who don't make their own decisions. This is well documented. They have entire teams of people who handle everything they do from where they sleep, how long they sleep, what they eat, what performances they do, where to travel to and when. They are told who they can hang out with and for how long. They are pressured into upholding an image that statistically, is probably not true to their own personality. If they are LGBTQ+ they will have to hide that fact until they retire. Did this particular idol plan all these big concerts himself? Definitely not. His agency did.
Which is why it's important to say that just because plans were made, that automatically doesn't rule out suicide.
They need to add the comedy tag on this show and remove the thriller and mystery tags. This season is nothing…
Realism and logic has left the building, as regards to this show.
Season 1 was great because they explained everything. I spent the last episode wondering how they messed with everything inside the church. When did they switch out the furniture. And how did Jang Sung Chul get in and out of the church without being detected when they had to send one of their own as a believer for reconnaissance.??? How did they get the patch to show up on the Preacher's clothes etc. And if they could mess with everything, why didn't they mess with the painkiller water and let the people feel the pain they are going through????
I agree with the hacking. The cameras they install are not the ones they get the footage from. It's SOOOO sloppy. It's like you have to drop brain cells to enjoy this show.
I loved S1 because it was a smart show. It's just gotten dumb, honestly. It's riding purely on entertainment, which is not what the show's essence was.
On a separate note, I think the body camera where the cult leader was opening the safe was actually the chain with the pendant Kim Do Gi gave him to wear. So that's something... I guess.
To me, it was definitely the first episode that was “off”, because of the teleportation skills Do Gi magically…
Haha. Yeah. The teleportation!!! Still can't get over the bad editing regarding that.
Season 1 was definitely a different show compared to Season 2. I'm hoping it gets better, but I feel like it's a step back from the quality of what it was.
Yep. I think that the plots are too big for two 1 hour episodes. I really think two 1 1/2 hour episodes would have given the show more time to tell the viewers things like...
How did the guy get the apartments written to him in the first place? Are these couples who are clearly desperate fraudsters going to transfer the apartment to him so easily? Wouldn't any of them have called his bluff and simply kept the money he loaned them, and the apartment, and welcomed him to sue them, which he can't. Unless he uses force... but then... ugh... Too many what ifs.
And how does he find the pregnant mothers? What is his method? And why did he say that the children outlive their usefulness when they turn 8? What happens to kids who turn 8?
There are just so many questions.
And my favourite. Why did Kim Do Gi let himself get beaten up when we know he can simply torture the guy to find out where the kids are. It was very out of character. There was no bomb to disarm or anything. Just... sloppy writing and bad directing, honestly.
it's not a fairy tale , there is a aftermath to every decision. They have kids too , children in separated families…
I disagree. The husband is 100% at fault. All of this happened because he would not stick up for his wife from the first day of their relationship/marriage. It's not like he took the abuse, but he watched the abuse, knew he could do something about it, but did nothing.
I know. There was a dispute with the original writer with the director which is why they brought in the original writer but not the director. But part 2 of Taxi Driver Season 1 was written by another writer who is not involved now. We all know that kdramas are created with a collaboration between the writer and director, which is why there is a disconnect between the stories and the directing.
I know why everyone is feeling like this season is "off". I feel it too.
1. The villain is the generic kdrama villain unlike in Season 1. 2. Directing and editing is bad. Like, really bad. It's like we are missing scenes in the middle of the episode. As a result, there are quite a lot of jumps where you go, "Did I miss something?" "How is he here when he was there?" The sequences are all over the place. The execution is all over the place. Eg:- When KDG was in the photo studio, what camera was AGE looking through because the angles were all weird and it didn't match. 3. Unlike Season 1 where they focused a lot on the plot and the absolute pain and suffering people went through, they are focusing more on humour and absolute silliness. 4. The action sequences are not as well choreographed or as creative as Season 1. 5. Season 1 was tight. Everything made sense. Season 2 has too many plot holes to count. Too many things are glossed over. And the episodes are rushed, which has created mistakes. We as the viewers can see that something is not quite right because the execution is flawed.
Is this all because the original writer and the director was changed? Absolutely.
I think the advertising messed up here. The trailers were chock full of rom-com moments with no hint regarding…
I'm the same. I know there are many who rate shows based on how much chemistry the couple had, how romantic the scenes and how well written the romance was etc., but for me it's all about how well rounded the plot is. I can even ignore it if the main couple doesn't have any chemistry as long as the story is good. And I do love my thrillers, melodramas and slice-of-life dramas. lol.
I think the advertising messed up here. The trailers were chock full of rom-com moments with no hint regarding…
My theory is either they are hate-watching or they liked how the romance was handled and now they are invested only in the romance and could do without the thriller and education element.
Maybe I am quite older than the average audience of Kdrama, but I am baffled by the general audience's preoccupation…
I think the advertising messed up here. The trailers were chock full of rom-com moments with no hint regarding the darker sides of the drama. As a result, it drew in quite a few viewers who only watch the romance/rom-com genre. They have been the most disappointed because their expectations (The Business Proposal esc rom-com) wasn't delivered.
Meanwhile, viewers like me who's not a fan of the romance genre by itself, are pleasantly surprised by how deeply thoughtful this drama is regarding various social issues.
I believe the promotional material targeted the wrong viewers. This drama is meant for a more mature audience, but they made it seem cute and fluffy to get the audience that bring in the big viewership.
Since the writer is recycling the storyline about the biological mother who abandons her child to a relative only to come back years later because she wants money... I need proper retribution this time around.
Also, if this isn't a great show about how you raise your child directly affects the kind of adult they will be, I don't know what is.
I'm honestly confused as to why the rating is so low.
I get it, the first four episodes are back story and it takes a while to pick up, but I think the general rating is harsh considering how awesome the rest of the episodes are. It's well-acted, well-paced and well-written.
If you like shows like Narcos, you would like this too.
Asian customs are a tricky one. We have been taught since we were children to respect elders regardless of how they treat you. Elders are always right. No matter what they do, even if it is physical or mental abuse, we are taught to take it and look after them until they die. Father is a drug addict who abandoned the child at a young age and comes back years later asking for money? Doesn't matter. Mother forced her daughter who was sexually assaulted to marry her assaulter? Doesn't matter. We look after our parents.
What this kind of behaviour does is that it reinforces that Asian parents can literally do anything, raise their children without love and support, and it's okay, because when they get old, they will be looked after because the children HAVE to look after them. They did the bare minimum of giving birth to the child so now the child owes them.
It's an unconditional relationship of obligation that is trained into us Asians.
In this show, the mother is definitely abusive.
She taught her son that failure is not an option. Asian countries have some of the highest suicide rates in the world because of this teaching by parents. A 10 year old jumped into a well and killed herself because her results weren't good enough. A young man jumped off a building when he found out he was wait listed at a university. After they died the parents lamented that they put too much pressure on their children by teaching them that they have no worth outside of grades.
The mother in this show also made it clear that the only way she will let up is if he becomes a prosecutor. That means since he was a child he had no options. Very similar to how Asians force their children to become lawyers, doctors or engineers. No other option is valid. Why? Because what the parent wants trumps what the child wants and what he could be good at. - This implies that if he doesn't become a prosecutor, he's useless to her. She sees him as a project and nothing more. Definitely not a son.
And finally, she gave him trauma around food. This is not forcing him to eat healthy etc., this is pure using food as a punishment to change his behaviour... Like training a dog.
There are various kinds of abuse and many of the actions are excused, but the truth is, many parents don't know what they are doing and pass on generational trauma to their children.
Things like binge eating and choosing abusive partners have been linked by psychologists to how individuals were parented.
I'm happy to see more and more people IRL going to therapy and understanding that yes, their parents were neglectful, their parents taught them the wrong values and they want to stop the trauma with them.
That's how you know the parent is toxic. If they only give the child love whenever they do what the parent wants and never when the child does something the child wants to do, that means the parent is putting their happiness above the child's. What they selfishly want from the child is more important than the happiness of the child. The child can be miserable for the rest of their lives. They don't care.
This parent is SUPER abusive to their children... Now feel sorry for them. *rolls eyes*
Suicide is deeply personal. Sometimes it's a well thought out choice due to depression and sometimes it's an impulsive choice because they believe their pain will never go away. Those who are successful in it do it to end their suffering. They don't have the mental capacity to care about others.
Kpop idols, especially, are people who don't make their own decisions. This is well documented. They have entire teams of people who handle everything they do from where they sleep, how long they sleep, what they eat, what performances they do, where to travel to and when. They are told who they can hang out with and for how long. They are pressured into upholding an image that statistically, is probably not true to their own personality. If they are LGBTQ+ they will have to hide that fact until they retire. Did this particular idol plan all these big concerts himself? Definitely not. His agency did.
Which is why it's important to say that just because plans were made, that automatically doesn't rule out suicide.
Season 1 was great because they explained everything. I spent the last episode wondering how they messed with everything inside the church. When did they switch out the furniture. And how did Jang Sung Chul get in and out of the church without being detected when they had to send one of their own as a believer for reconnaissance.??? How did they get the patch to show up on the Preacher's clothes etc. And if they could mess with everything, why didn't they mess with the painkiller water and let the people feel the pain they are going through????
I agree with the hacking. The cameras they install are not the ones they get the footage from. It's SOOOO sloppy. It's like you have to drop brain cells to enjoy this show.
I loved S1 because it was a smart show. It's just gotten dumb, honestly. It's riding purely on entertainment, which is not what the show's essence was.
On a separate note, I think the body camera where the cult leader was opening the safe was actually the chain with the pendant Kim Do Gi gave him to wear. So that's something... I guess.
Season 1 was definitely a different show compared to Season 2. I'm hoping it gets better, but I feel like it's a step back from the quality of what it was.
How did the guy get the apartments written to him in the first place? Are these couples who are clearly desperate fraudsters going to transfer the apartment to him so easily? Wouldn't any of them have called his bluff and simply kept the money he loaned them, and the apartment, and welcomed him to sue them, which he can't. Unless he uses force... but then... ugh... Too many what ifs.
And how does he find the pregnant mothers? What is his method? And why did he say that the children outlive their usefulness when they turn 8? What happens to kids who turn 8?
There are just so many questions.
And my favourite. Why did Kim Do Gi let himself get beaten up when we know he can simply torture the guy to find out where the kids are. It was very out of character. There was no bomb to disarm or anything. Just... sloppy writing and bad directing, honestly.
It's frustrating.
1. The villain is the generic kdrama villain unlike in Season 1.
2. Directing and editing is bad. Like, really bad. It's like we are missing scenes in the middle of the episode. As a result, there are quite a lot of jumps where you go, "Did I miss something?" "How is he here when he was there?" The sequences are all over the place. The execution is all over the place. Eg:- When KDG was in the photo studio, what camera was AGE looking through because the angles were all weird and it didn't match.
3. Unlike Season 1 where they focused a lot on the plot and the absolute pain and suffering people went through, they are focusing more on humour and absolute silliness.
4. The action sequences are not as well choreographed or as creative as Season 1.
5. Season 1 was tight. Everything made sense. Season 2 has too many plot holes to count. Too many things are glossed over. And the episodes are rushed, which has created mistakes. We as the viewers can see that something is not quite right because the execution is flawed.
Is this all because the original writer and the director was changed? Absolutely.
Meanwhile, viewers like me who's not a fan of the romance genre by itself, are pleasantly surprised by how deeply thoughtful this drama is regarding various social issues.
I believe the promotional material targeted the wrong viewers. This drama is meant for a more mature audience, but they made it seem cute and fluffy to get the audience that bring in the big viewership.
Also, if this isn't a great show about how you raise your child directly affects the kind of adult they will be, I don't know what is.
I get it, the first four episodes are back story and it takes a while to pick up, but I think the general rating is harsh considering how awesome the rest of the episodes are. It's well-acted, well-paced and well-written.
If you like shows like Narcos, you would like this too.