Ikr? Eek! 😖 He's the most unhinged character I've seen in the drama. Although life made him that way, he could still choose a less cruel one. His way of survival is crazy..
Lol 💯😆 He's actually a mild case compared to Sum Si Ming.
He's one crazy guy... Nothing can stop him from doing whatever he wants. He's scarier than the villains we've seen in the previous episodes..at least to me X"D
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
This situation has become quite convoluted and is straying from the original discussion. Based on the conversations on this page, it’s clear that the focus was solely on comparing the novel's content with the actual drama, as well as examining the cultural and historical context of ancient China as depicted in [Whispers of Fate]. It’s important to note that the source material is incomplete and was still ongoing when filming for the drama concluded. Consequently, this drama is merely ‘based on’ part of the original novel; it retains the core plot but makes essential adjustments to enhance the storytelling.
Moreover, if the so-called changes were solely based on a “rumoured” leaked script, it raises the question: why would it only impact A-Shui and not others? This line of reasoning doesn’t hold water; if such a scenario were true, we would be seeing actual lawsuits. It’s evident that @Azure and @Xiang83 have provided valid reasoning and information, as they possess in-depth knowledge of both the drama and the novel. Notably, @Xiang83 has watched the drama twice, which speaks to their dedication. Throughout the airing of the drama, they have consistently shared relevant insights. Disregarding this knowledge undermines the conversation, and it’s crucial to engage with the facts presented.
Have you finished watching the drama? If not, which episode are you at?
Really well written review! Im Mahayana school, but the basics remains. Agree with the storytelling and pacing,…
Thanks a bunch, Tara! ^^ You're right~💯✨
True about the little flaws, and as some of us discussed in the comments, cramming everything into just 40 episodes was inadequate. There were many events left out, which made the drama look like a giant puzzle with several pieces left out of the picture. I agree with the episodes you mentioned~ Those episodes include some of the most impactful conversations that lays foundation to the whole drama.
We could totally think that way, too~ If we refer to the last scene where Tang Li Ci vanished into the skies as a fox-dragon, we can assume he was enlightened by then, after he had truly let go of all attachments. True though, like you say, it gives room for us to think more in-depth whether from religious perspectives or just from a sociological point of view~ ⁽⁽ଘ( ˊᵕˋ )ଓ⁾⁾
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
Hi~ Thank you for your kind words and warm praises. ^^
Onto the topic, I wouldn't exactly say her screentime was inadequate, but I'm certain her character wasn't utilised as well as it could've been. In my humble opinion, I would've liked her to gain her own independence without always being stuck with the male lead most of the time, cuz that dims her to just a love interest or whatever she was supposed to be. It seemed like her character didn't have much freedom as "only A-Shui". For example, instead of just telling the audience that she's Fang Zhou's sister out of the blue, they could've hinted at it through minor actions or objects that would jog her memory step by step. That way, we can relate more to her internal conflicts when she finally learns about her identity and Tang Li Ci's past, which is connected to her older brother Fang Zhou. To be blunt, there was no character depth to her shown in the series. For example, instead of showing up in dangerous places alone to save Tang Li Ci, they could've made her the supporting force helping the team from behind the scenes, and during those times, her identity could be 'peeled down' slowly. Gui Mu Dan, the hidden villain, made a huge impact, though he had less screentime than A-Shui or Zhong Chun Ji.
I have zero knowledge of the source material, so I won't say anything about that.. X') But yes, her sudden disappearance didn't sit well.. She appears here and there, but then "poof", gone with the wind~ (ᵕ—ᴗ—)
Zhong Chun Ji's the same; could've been more helpful if they'd shown us what made her fall for Tang Li Ci, but I would like it if they emphasised the pain she's been going through and how she overcomes that. To me, her "love" seemed more like an SOS. Well, in those times, there were no concepts of PTSD or any extra care for mental health issues..., so it can't be helped sadly...
For further details, it would help if you refer to the explanations Azure and Xiang made about the loopholes and how it could've been made better. They've also given a lot of insight not only into the characters but also the world-building of [Whispers of Fate]. ^^
If I am going to keep all the characters: The fight flashback between Liu Yan and Tang Lici at the beginning of…
Yes! That loophole!! I've always thought something's off about that. If I were Tang Li Ci, I would feel and act the same way as he did, cuz she's a total stranger to him, and that stranger is saying she's willing to give up her life for this man. I'd be like, "Please sis, just don't, cuz you're even more suspicious that way.. (ᵕ•_•)" I mean, they just met! I can understand if they already knew each other for several years, such as Chi Yun, Fang Zhou or Liu Yan (i.e. disregarding LY's villainy here). And the fact that she's always tagging along, especially to dangerous places, doesn't help with her characterisation (I'm sure you know which scenes I'm referring to). About her blood, I don't remember in detail, but I only recollect her slitting her wrist without any explanation of her action before feeding him her blood while he's weak. "How does she know??" ∘ ∘ ∘ ( °ヮ° ) ?
"The screenplay appears to be trying too hard to include A-Shui as a relevant character, instead of the other way around." >> Agreed. If they wanted to make her an appropriate character, they could've emphasised her uniqueness and importance, ALSO to the other characters, not just to Tang Li Ci alone. Her mysteriousness was what made A-Shui intriguing, but she's just popping up here and there without any clear reason. She went to search for Tang Li Ci ALONE in that HUGE forest, WITHOUT taking anyone along with her, found him and CARRIED him ALL THE WAY back to the Central Plains Sword Association! I'm now certain Iron Man and Supergirl are her descendants. (ᵕ • ᴗ •) Whoops! My dissatisfaction is showing... Well, they ruined a character just like that, so...
As for Zhong Chun Ji, they made her become the lovelorn character out of nowhere... sigh... 🫠 Yes, I can relate to her matter in that sense. Not even the strongest man can always tackle PTSD and other mental health issues right away. It's a slow and steady process. Sometimes, they carry it all their lives... However, mixing that with her "unrequited love" angle wasn't one of my favourites. In my humble opinion, I think she is mistaken about the feeling of gratitude for romantic love. I may be wrong tho.. (Wait.. I think I've mentioned this above.. 🤔? Haiyaa.. my memory.. I need to ask for some cans of spinach from Popeye...(ᵕ—ᴗ—) ) As you mentioned, many details have been left out, and jamming them all into just 40 episodes wasn't enough for a thorough explanation.
Oh, thanks a lot. I'll take a look at them~ Y'all share excellent insights about this. ✨
Thank you for your words! I tried to write an extra review adding the erased one but the platform didn't allow…
You're most welcome! Agreed with what you say. If we're unfamiliar with the core context, it's quite hard to grasp the reasons behind the characters', especially Tang Li Ci's, actions. We could say that this drama is something similar to sharing knowledge while enveloping these contexts with enchanting music and its artistical storytelling ― at least it felt that way to me. ^^
Well written;) Feels like reading a drama commentary as the SLY’s story was being played on the background.…
Truly appreciate your warm praises, Megumi! ⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡ I also learned more than what I already know while writing this~ The drama truly left a great impression on me.
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Lol 💯😆 He's actually a mild case compared to Sum Si Ming.
I should get enough sleep X'D Dunno why I would think that..
As I scroll further down the comments, I also found @Azure's useful information that was uploaded 12 days ago >> https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24292802
Moreover, if the so-called changes were solely based on a “rumoured” leaked script, it raises the question: why would it only impact A-Shui and not others? This line of reasoning doesn’t hold water; if such a scenario were true, we would be seeing actual lawsuits. It’s evident that @Azure and @Xiang83 have provided valid reasoning and information, as they possess in-depth knowledge of both the drama and the novel. Notably, @Xiang83 has watched the drama twice, which speaks to their dedication. Throughout the airing of the drama, they have consistently shared relevant insights. Disregarding this knowledge undermines the conversation, and it’s crucial to engage with the facts presented.
Have you finished watching the drama? If not, which episode are you at?
True about the little flaws, and as some of us discussed in the comments, cramming everything into just 40 episodes was inadequate. There were many events left out, which made the drama look like a giant puzzle with several pieces left out of the picture. I agree with the episodes you mentioned~ Those episodes include some of the most impactful conversations that lays foundation to the whole drama.
We could totally think that way, too~ If we refer to the last scene where Tang Li Ci vanished into the skies as a fox-dragon, we can assume he was enlightened by then, after he had truly let go of all attachments. True though, like you say, it gives room for us to think more in-depth whether from religious perspectives or just from a sociological point of view~ ⁽⁽ଘ( ˊᵕˋ )ଓ⁾⁾
Onto the topic, I wouldn't exactly say her screentime was inadequate, but I'm certain her character wasn't utilised as well as it could've been. In my humble opinion, I would've liked her to gain her own independence without always being stuck with the male lead most of the time, cuz that dims her to just a love interest or whatever she was supposed to be. It seemed like her character didn't have much freedom as "only A-Shui". For example, instead of just telling the audience that she's Fang Zhou's sister out of the blue, they could've hinted at it through minor actions or objects that would jog her memory step by step. That way, we can relate more to her internal conflicts when she finally learns about her identity and Tang Li Ci's past, which is connected to her older brother Fang Zhou. To be blunt, there was no character depth to her shown in the series. For example, instead of showing up in dangerous places alone to save Tang Li Ci, they could've made her the supporting force helping the team from behind the scenes, and during those times, her identity could be 'peeled down' slowly. Gui Mu Dan, the hidden villain, made a huge impact, though he had less screentime than A-Shui or Zhong Chun Ji.
I have zero knowledge of the source material, so I won't say anything about that.. X') But yes, her sudden disappearance didn't sit well.. She appears here and there, but then "poof", gone with the wind~ (ᵕ—ᴗ—)
Zhong Chun Ji's the same; could've been more helpful if they'd shown us what made her fall for Tang Li Ci, but I would like it if they emphasised the pain she's been going through and how she overcomes that. To me, her "love" seemed more like an SOS. Well, in those times, there were no concepts of PTSD or any extra care for mental health issues..., so it can't be helped sadly...
For further details, it would help if you refer to the explanations Azure and Xiang made about the loopholes and how it could've been made better. They've also given a lot of insight not only into the characters but also the world-building of [Whispers of Fate]. ^^
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24399916
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24394712
https://kisskh.at/discussions/755725-shui-long-yin/146760-whispers-of-fate-worldview-timelines-and-other-details
"The screenplay appears to be trying too hard to include A-Shui as a relevant character, instead of the other way around." >> Agreed. If they wanted to make her an appropriate character, they could've emphasised her uniqueness and importance, ALSO to the other characters, not just to Tang Li Ci alone. Her mysteriousness was what made A-Shui intriguing, but she's just popping up here and there without any clear reason. She went to search for Tang Li Ci ALONE in that HUGE forest, WITHOUT taking anyone along with her, found him and CARRIED him ALL THE WAY back to the Central Plains Sword Association! I'm now certain Iron Man and Supergirl are her descendants. (ᵕ • ᴗ •) Whoops! My dissatisfaction is showing... Well, they ruined a character just like that, so...
As for Zhong Chun Ji, they made her become the lovelorn character out of nowhere... sigh... 🫠 Yes, I can relate to her matter in that sense. Not even the strongest man can always tackle PTSD and other mental health issues right away. It's a slow and steady process. Sometimes, they carry it all their lives... However, mixing that with her "unrequited love" angle wasn't one of my favourites. In my humble opinion, I think she is mistaken about the feeling of gratitude for romantic love. I may be wrong tho.. (Wait.. I think I've mentioned this above.. 🤔? Haiyaa.. my memory.. I need to ask for some cans of spinach from Popeye...(ᵕ—ᴗ—) ) As you mentioned, many details have been left out, and jamming them all into just 40 episodes wasn't enough for a thorough explanation.
Oh, thanks a lot. I'll take a look at them~ Y'all share excellent insights about this. ✨
Simplicity that feels steady, like a still pond reflecting the sky
https://kisskh.at/games/p0BmS0/p/15468?r=1997695071364845568
I guess so~ X3 Love this quiz!