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When you check the novels then Day/Itt are like axis for other stories (even though Night/Gear were 1st) - other potential "pairs" (they might get pair in another book) are introduced often in their stories for the 1st time (if you see a guy in her novel - he is soon going to get boyfriend; often it's like book has main couple and each of them have friends/siblings = you know that male friend/sibling of A is going to end up with male friend/sibling of B).
They have so far 4 books (5th was confirmed, I think) and their personalities evolve (devolve?) during them (I hate Itt becoming damsel in distress who cannot do anything and has to totally subjugate to Day - which is encouraged and happily approved by Itt's family!).
In book 2 we have Kim/Kamol from Day/Itt's perspective and Itt is acting really subdued, nice and not jealous - which surprised me because anybody else showing before and after sets him off 💥 (especially weird since they actually were s*x friends and the guy that was making Itt all crazy was a kid that Day knew in England and always considered just friends younger brother). I think that the only person Itt was not jealous off is Kim 😳.

@irbaz51_161 Author made it kind of like Stockholm Syndrom (I read that there is no scientific proof of it and it was made up by reporter to paint - mostly women there - as easily swayed, dummies etc. in order to distract from the real issue that the culprit was trying to shine light into and the victims agreed with his opinion because it was correct... just the methods weren't).
Day recorded the r*pe and was using it as blackmail to control Itt at first. For some reason for Itt the fact that he slept with guy (he wasn't even for a fleeting moment thinking that he got r*ped... I know that there are people who don't believe that it can happen to guys as well 😞) was no issue but the fact that he was bottom was too embarrassing to him 🙄
He was spending all that time with Day (at first confined to the appartment for days) and became dependant on him. At that point Itt was kind of estranged from his parents (he wasn't living with them), so nobody raised alarm when he went missing (his friends either forgot about him *cough*Gear*cough* or believed that he was sick, I think only Nick - after some days - was aware of what was more or less happening).
In other words: Day did everything a classic domestic abuser would do (isolate, beat up, make financially dependant, berate to the point they believe that nobody else would be able to be with them if not for the abuser, control their day-to-day like transport or who they meet, constant call and checks with whom/where they are, constant accusations of cheating or trying to seduce others).
Itt is not great but Day is just walking red flag made out of red flags (he was not using condoms or lube or preparing Itt's "love channel" most of the time - at least once he said that he is to lazy to get lube... he didn't have to buy it, it was in another room or in the nightstand 😒).

Yes, he is (immature and hot-headed... so is Day sometimes 😉).I must say that when I was reading comments I was dreading this series and postponed watching so many times but I started marathon yesterday and it's not that bad (I've seen worst and not dropped them 😆).Honestly it's better that they did book 3 because I read (MLT but still) book 1 and constant r*pe + beatings from Day are nauseating. Not to mention Day blaming all his bad behaviour on Itt (some accusations had some merit and some were on the level of classic domestic abuser "because the soup was to salty"). I get why Day was angry with Itt but the "punishment" was not proportional and the real culprit (Gear) got almost nothing (Night practically instantly forgave him + they started dating and Day wanted to make him loose car race or something like that 🙄). In the meantime Itt was basically chewed by Day (physically and verbally) on daily basis, confined to the room where abuse happened (and was recorded... for blackmail) and then "graciously" allowed to go to school but Day had to bring him and pick him up (he even had issue with Nick - driving him somewhere when Day was busy - sometimes).

Perhaps it the same as with "A Shoulder to Cry on" - they were behind the scenes/interviews, so not an actual episode.

No amnesia... so far 😋
You never know how many clichés they need to fill 12 episodes 😉 (especially in cursed 11th)

I'm on ep 3 and wondering about age gap between Wynn and Vincent. Wynn composed the song in highschool but he was only able to learn piano due to funding that Poseidon provided. Vincent is now 30 (actors are about 9 year apart)? Would he be in a high enough possition to assign founds to Wynn's orphanage at that time? 🤔

I still think that Uea's mom was the worst. Uea told her that step-father(?) tried to r*pe him (additionally he was underage by even Thai standards at the time, I think) and her response was to traumatize Uea by locking him in dark bathroom (I think she also beat him). She was always demanding money and berating Uea for being gay but once she saw wealthy guy take interest in him (she might not have known he was essentially stalking Uea) - she was more than happy to basically pimp Uea out without care about her son's opinion. She was even using her daughter to manipulate Uea (sister was as well suspicious to me: Uea was screaming about his attempted r*pe in the garden as she was not showing any signs of surprise... So she knew? If she did: why was she so insistent on always bringing Uea back home - they could have met outside).
I was trying to think about other not so great BL parents but she is the queen of trash (even Kinn's dad, when he was playing minds games with all of them was better; Vegas's dad was physically and psychologically hella abusive, so perhaps he could have "contended for the crown").

I saw that to and had to rewind (they usually pay like 20TBH, right?) and then I used currency calculator and it's about 5-6USD/EUR, so like a normal café price?

I am not sure most of us could survive 2 whole episodes of unbridled s*x 🤣
Especially given our current "conditioning*: most of the Thai shows so far were not going to KP's lengths (*cough*high five in "2gether"*cough*).
From other "BL countries" we have not received a lot of "physical" series. In Korean ones until recently (excluding"Long Time no See" 🔥) we at most could hope for "fish kiss" (see: "Color Rush"; and let's not forget established couple in "A Shoulder to cry on" that apparently followed manga strictly and hence no kiss 😳). Japanese in that regard are mixed, as we can get anything from "End of the world with you" to "8.2 second rule"/"Kieta Hatsukoi" (not that I was not enjoying all of them). Taiwanese have sometimes good balance (erasing "History 4", step-bro r*pe storyline - they did step-bros in "History 2" as well but it was much better) and kisses are usually nicely done.
All that said, I am all for the angst not to be so predictable to be always put in the episode before the last (good example is like how they did it in "Eighth sense").

The flashbacks should have been 100% from Patt's POV and not just extra snippets to the previous scenes for them to make sense.
I agree that he wasn't kissing anybody.
They hear eachother talking - remember how Patt was rehearsing his song? Or when he said that Tai looked cute? Tai also called him and asked for his name. Tai said that they can hear each other (or their sounds) regardless where they are as long as they "share rain", so no thought transfer (honestly that would have been a nightmare, IMO).

Yes, 2nd couple is surprisingly bad (they are fighting with the one in "Step by Step" for the one I dislike more - usually 2nd [and 3rd as well, see "My engineer"] is better than main but not here). Especially since Longtee seems to like Tai and Tian is such a brat.

I would like to know more about the remaining 2 brothers (one seems to be office worker by his cloths) and why the parents divorced (it seems like secret with a twist, so... the "saintly" dad cheated?).

I am not sure how I am going to get it trough 12 episodes if this continues 😒 (Su su na! 😋)

They make me hate Power Point 😆 (and I haven't used it in years + had no strong feelings about it either way...). Then again in "Semantic Errorr" Sangwoo was simply "master" of presentations 🤣... nah, not enough "mastery" to cover this fiasco.
And yes, what are they thinking? It's not Korean drama (does not include BLs) for episode to be this long 😱

Chai Jidan's novels are like that 😞
They just have to have r*pe (mostly ML to MC but there was one when ex faked gang r*pe on 2nd MC... 2nd MC was a doctor, so I don't get how he didn't figured out that he wasn't actually r*ped).
There is one of her novels, Counter Attack (adapted to a movie), where 2nd ML had snake who was checking girls virginity 🤮 (let's forget that Hymen-myth BS for a second - how could snake do that?).
//Yes, 2nd ML was chsing 2nd MC from beginning (2nd ML - friend of 1st ML, 2nd MC - friend and doctor of 1st MC => no love triangles/squares between them) and there was no r*pe involved between them 😱//
She likes disturbing the readers, I guess...
(I noticed that up to some point most of BL's from China had r*pe as relationship starter 🙄 - it got better, thankfully)

Can you spoil me in which EP they are back?

I, similarly like you, was not able to go forward.
Recently I (finally) watched "Enchanté"* and fell in love with Jimmy's voice, so I am giving this series a 2nd chance 😀
*They were given 2nd chance because I like "A Boss and A Babe" and wanted to see a bit subdued version of Cher 😉

It's her - I double checked her page.
she was the best mom there 😢

Why Gun's mom? Can't you be the same as when you were Kao's mom (Kiss me again / Dark Blue Kiss)? 😢
😉

The floor outside was worst 😂

So the chronology is as follows:
Itt bets with Gear, so to win Gear r*ped Night (I think Itt was filming it as well).
After 6 months or so Night comes back to get revenge (?) which turns to nothing as he almost immediately forgives Gear and they start dating.
The same night that Night returns, Day tricks Itt to his appartment, r*ped him and records it for blackmail (later Night finds the recording and is trying to - unsuccessfully - persuade Day that what he did was wrong) as a punishment for what he did to his little brother (Day has a massive brother complex). Itt being confined in that room, getting r*ped and beaten continues for some time basically untill he he browbeaten to submission and shows Stockholm Syndrom (I read it's a myth but the author clearly believes in it).
At some point we meet Neil, who had a thing for Night and kidnaped him (this time there was no r*pe) but afterwards he gets forgiveness and then Itt's friend, Nick, starts to pursue him (yes, uke is chasing seme) and finally they have (drunken) s*x (if I remember correctly it was Nick who took advantage of Neil). Then Nick disappeared because Neil's words were hurtful (he liked it rough in the bedroom, I think) and you know what happened.
In all that what angers me to no end is that Itt got horrible punishment but Gear, the frinkin' perpetrator, NOTHING! (There was a bit of karma when he got stabbed while protecting Night but Day did nothing - I think he was planning for Gear to loose in a car race and that's it! 🤬)

He was apparently playing gay character in Coffee Prince as well (haven't seen it yet).
And yes, he is king and was way ahead of his time! (I read somewhere that he wasn't comfortable with that part, didn't know how to behave etc. - watching the movie, I could not tell)

Agreed!
Sadly in police procedurals often the unlawful behaviour of police is portrayed as justified. I get that X is going to happen if police doesn't get info out of the suspect but what guarantee do they have that suspect is telling the truth (I saw multiple "true crime" showing police talking with the suspect and at least treating them like human: surprise, surprise - it worked without beating!)? Let's not even talk about coerced confessions...
"Who watches the Watchmen?" Apparently nobody.