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Ah, I see! It's one of my challenge dramas so definitely gonna watch it. Thanks for the info!

I searched for Wise but couldn't find it? What drama is that?

Very interesting discussion. I'm enjoying listening to the different perspectives. Very intelligent & coherent, from both sides. Not something I witness very often on MDL...

You both make valid points and are essentially talking about different sides of the same coin.

To LCF's point, I do agree that back in the olden days the mindset & attitudes toward family and marriage were more unshakable than it is today, probably because societal values were more deeply anchored in religion, and it was (and still is, though religion has lost its impact over the years) a sin to get divorced. Therefore, many people endured ... likely more & longer than they should have.

That said, I also think we should not jump to the conclusion that back in those days women stayed married out of pure lack of options. Some, mostly from the lower classes, did, but many also didn't. Many people wanted to get married & stay married for a variety of religious & economic reasons (not necessarily connected to their basic need for survival). Generational wealth, for eg, is passed down through families, not broken or single parent homes.

I also think while love is fickle, we should not underestimate the persuasion of it. Even in ancient times when love and romance played less of role in courtship and the marriage transaction, grand gestures of romanticism were not unheard of. Who was that man in the bible who waited 7 years to marry his beloved, despite every effort to marry him off to the woman's sister? In more modern history ... what about the Indian King who built the Taj Mahal - that stands today as a glistening symbol of his romantic sentiment for his favourite concubine? Human beings have always been moved by 'ero-agapic' emotion, even if it wasn't a main motive for marriage.

As far as Jinee's point that we - esp in the West in these modern times - live in state of unbridled narcissism, I would have to agree. Narcissism is promoted, encouraged and tolerated in our culture. As soon as we feel any type of discomfort whether that be in marriage or friendships, our careers ... whatever ... we want to check out because it's become a very individualistic 'ME' centred world. We have lost sight of the concept of the 'collective good' - something the Asians are better at (though their iteration of it comes with its own share of problematic ideologies). Everybody walks around with this deep sense of entitlement that the world owes us something & that it's other people's responsibility to meet our needs & make us happy ... and if they don't, they're disposable.

In fact, life is more complicated than our narcissistic desires. Life is, indeed, a vicious cycle; the grass is very rarely greener on the other side. The very thing we may run from with one partner (lack of love, mundanity, the like), we're likely to encounter with the next. So yes, unless there's cheating & or physical/sexual abuse ... love disappearing should perhaps not be the end all & be all. Mutual respect & loyalty can be just as valid as any reason to endure, in the absence of love. Otherwise, what is the alternative? A society in perpetual chaos & disintegration. Broken homes, single mother households (that unfortunately top all the statistics as the leading cause of delinquent & anti-social behaviour in kids ...), increased levels of STDs, more C.R.A.P (criticism, rejection, assholes, pressure) for EVERYONE, esp women, and the list goes on.

Of course, if it completely deadens one's soul to remain in the marriage, then even I wouldn't oppose its end. But I think those cases are usually not common, esp when a person has achieved the highest level of emotional intelligence & realize life really is what WE make of it. People may fall out of love, but that sense of camaraderie, loyalty & friendship remains, making it worthwhile to hold out for the long haul....because once again, the grass is hardly ever greener on the other side.

Fodder for the (depressed) soul. Beautiful, sweet, uplifting. 9/10

The expectation that SHK, a public figure, should have somehow gotten by with no criticism at all is unrealistic. That's not how real life works. We're all susceptible to criticism, whether it is deserved or not, especially from ignorant, uneducated people on the internet whose only sense of relevance is to sit behind their computer screens and tear down other people, in particular celebrities.

I think what we can judge is the fact the she has faced no retaliatory action from the industry, which is indication in & of itself that she has faced no backlash. Indeed she has continued to work & be praised by her peers as well as many fans, both in SK and throughout Asia. She has even gotten endorsement deals *since* the divorce.

SJK, on the other hand, has lost out on opportunities - doors (for lucrative endorsement deals) have been closed, his drama is a flop, he's been accused of using SHK to raise his own profile (which may or may not be true) & his parents' home was vandalized by crazy people, presumably SHK fanboys & girls. These are all concrete facts that were reported on in the news media (& can therefore be checked & verified).

If we're going to start comparing who of these two have had it worse ... let's look at what's concrete in terms of actual evidence & keep emotions and biased opinions out of it. I think the loser in this divorce is clear and it certainly doesn't appear to be Song Hye Kyo.

As for GHS, yes, while airing her dirty laundry in public might be her way to cope ... what's unfortunate is that people can't seem to separate her emotional outbursts from actual facts. The husband is being attacked based on rumors, hearsay, speculation and conjecture (both from her & the public), and when he tries to defend himself, he's dragged even more. How does that make sense?

I guess in a world where women cast themselves & are seen as perpetual victims, this is the norm & shouldn't be surprising.

And let me just say this for any idiot on here who want to jump on my comment about 'oppa worship'. I'm indifferent to both couples. I was never a fan of SHK & SJK, separately or together ... I thought they were mismatched even as co-stars. When I heard they were to marry, I predicted their early demise (as a couple) & I was right! AJH & GHS, knew very little about them prior to this divorce scandal. I have no dog in either fight. My deal is simply that I won't defend a woman just because she's a woman. Yes, the world can appear harsher for women in general, but at the end of the day women are, or should be, responsible for their own actions and should not be given a pass for their wrongdoings merely because of their perceived disenfranchisement. Unlike a lot of you commenting here, I believe in true gender equality, which denotes equal opportunity = equal responsibility.

Korean writers come up with some pretty good concepts, only to ruin them with all the typical nonsense. I considered watching this but when I saw how prominently the love triangle is featured, I had to run.

While I agree with you on the general state of Korean society, I don't see how what you're saying here is relevant to this case. Might I remind you that NONE OF US knows what's really fact or fiction in this divorce! There have been allegations from both sides. Who is telling the truth or who is just trying to portray themselves as the victim, NOBODY, except the two people involved, knows.
Just because a woman lives in a patriarchal society does not mean she's automatically a victim nor does it make the 'woman - good; man - bad' paradigm true in any way. I wish people would STOP implying this foolishness. Men are not devils while women are angels. Both men and women have the capacity to act immorally.

What backlash? Song Hye Kyo has gotten by relatively unscathed. I haven't heard of her losing any endorsement deals. On the contrary, she has been traveling & promoting and rubbing shoulders with Hollywood stars. She also gave a televised interview in Taiwan that was highly praised by netizens from what I've seen online. And just recently she modeled for a popular clothing line in SK.

On the other hand, this big drama Song Joong Ki is a part of is somewhat of a flop. Though I'm not sure how much of an impact the divorce actually had on the poor ratings. From what I heard the drama is pretty convoluted all on it's own. Plus, by the time the divorce news broke, they had already shot a significant portion of the drama. It wouldn't make sense for the production to fire him in the middle of shooting when he's such an integral member of the cast.

This isn't a Korean financed production. It's bought and paid for by Netflix & they don't give a sh-- about the actors' private lives. As long as they didn't kill anyone or rape anyone, a divorce is not grounds to dismiss someone from a production & take on the added costs of hiring a new actor & doing reshoots. Also, I've read that brands that were interested in courting him were no longer interested, so while no one dropped him ... now that he's a divorcee, he's not seen as good business anymore. Furthermore, there were reports that people have gone to his father's house and trashed the appreciation alter the dad had put up for his son. Like who does sh-- like that? I'm telling you fans in Korea are effen crazy!

Anyway, while it may seem like women face more backlash when scandals break out, in fact both men and women suffer from divorce stigma in SK. And both will get dragged by the media.

As far as AJH & GHS are concerned, I hope while you're not busy blaming the wife, you don't blame the husband either. Going to visit her mother wasn't 'her only wish', as you claim. She very clearly (to me) did not want to accept that he's no longer interested in being married to her & was using her mother to force him to bend to her demands. While I have no idea if any of the allegations from either side are true (nor do I really care, when push comes to shove), her exposing herself in the way she did with all those public posts ... wasn't a good look. It left a very bad impression. Aside from that one statement, in which he defended himself against what he feels is her slander of him, the husband has kept quiet, which is what she should have done. Keep quiet & wash her dirty laundry in private.

I agree with you, but for me my enjoyment was the other way around. I liked the beginning episodes, then when the thrilling episodes kicked off in ep 10 - 15, I got really bored, mainly because of the sloppy writing (I agree with everything you wrote in your spoiler regarding the whole kidnapping plot & the idiot police ... lol). It picked up for me again from ep 16 - 20, when the story shifted back to the leads and their relationship. I can live with the ending even though I agree with your gripes about how the situation was resolved.
This drama was never on my radar to watch, even though I love Hyun Bin. The negative comments & reviews gave me pause although I know never to trust the general consensus, esp here on MDL. I watched it because of a challenge I'm participating in & I'm glad I did so I could judge for myself.

This drama should not be compared to Kill Me, Heal Me in the way the comments & reviews have done because while they both deal with D.I.D, that's where all similarities end. KM,HM is a dramedy/romcom, while Hyde, Jekyll, Me is leaning more towards pure melodrama. Therefore, when people say HJM is trash compared to KM,HM, it's more than a little unfair because the dramas belong to completely different genres, with an entirely different focus. I think if you like the subject matter and or the actors, both dramas are worth the watch. Having watched both of them myself, the negative comments against HJM seem very biased & unwarranted. Anyone considering this drama should not take them seriously. Watch the show and judge for yourself.

Now that that's out of the way ... here's what I appreciated from both dramas:
The comedy in HM,KM was amazing - but story wise I think I like the handling of the D.I.D in Hyde, Jekyll, Me better. HJM introduced some original concepts around the ML's D.I.D, which I found quite interesting to watch. The way in which the love triangle was done here was pretty original & I enjoyed watching it when usually I hate love triangles (I certainly hated the love triangle in KM,HM). I also liked the FL in HJM better. She was a little one-dimensional, but very composed and rational in her behaviour. I really couldn't stand how hysterical, bordering on shrewish, the FL in KM,HM was (and honestly, her medical license should've been revoked given how she treated her patients!). KM,HM's saving grace was its comedy, while HJM had a better story arc, though it was sloppily written.

The middle episodes were draggy & boring for me, and there were too many plot holes to count. The romance also was rather underwhelming, despite the strong chemistry between the (fated) leads. Overall, the drama had a good concept, there was potential there, but like so many other dramas, HJM fell victim to the usual Koreanized tropes that diminish all semblance of originality a drama may have had. That's why I can't give it more than a 5.5/10, which on my rating scale means slightly below average.

I sure as hell ain't a fan. I barely knew of these two before the news broke.

And right, if a man had done what GHS did (post private matters publicly) & is accused of doing (breaking & entering into his soon to be ex-wife's apartment, going through her phone, spreading lies about her philandering etc) ... in these times of #metoo, he would've possibly faced criminal prosecution. But when a woman does it ... no big deal. Everybody takes her side because the woman is always the victim. Then we have the audacity to complain about the patriarchy! Women help strengthen the patriarchy when we demand all the perks of equality, but shirk all the responsibility that comes with it.

When a woman is a REAL victim - like Kim Hyun Joong's babymama, who he battered & caused her to miscarry at least one pregnancy - people on this site trashed that woman from here to Mars! Even AFTER KHJ himself admitted to what he'd done, apologized & paid a fine, they were still blaming the former girlfriend, saying she was a gold digger & 'oppa didn't do it!'.

Now here in this case, it's he said she said. No one, except the 2 people involved, actually knows what really happened or what's really going on now, but the fandom is taking sides left & right (mostly hers & trashing him) ... with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever! Smdh

Right? So disingenuous!
What she in fact did was regurgitate GHS's position & arguments about the divorce, add her own interpretations to them ... THEN claim they were facts! And I was like WTF ...

If she had said this was her opinion, which btw it is, I wouldn't have even responded, but she tried to come across so righteous & impartial, it was insipid to read. I had to point out that her opinion is NOT fact.

Like I just can't with the vast majority of people on this site. No critical thinking skills, no discernment .... nothing! Just blind fangirlism, immaturity & idiocy!

My personal opinion is that her public revelation about their private life is very clearly an orchestrated effort to destroy him, his reputation & quite possibly his entire life. I mean, South Korea already stigmatizes divorced people, without knowing the gory details of each person's misdeeds. Now, not only will he have to live with the stigma of being a divorcee, she has added fuel to the fire by basically portraying him as feckless & shallow for wanting to divorce her for such a seemingly ridiculous reason & for not wanting to 'work' on the marriage.

He, on the other hand, gave his reason as to why he wants to divorce. He hinted at her being unstable, overbearing, controlling & possessive.

Who is telling the truth, who tf knows! What I do know, though, is that if AJH was the woman in this situation, no one would be attacking him as people are doing now.

I am sure you were because critical thinking doesn't seem to be your strong suit. You can't refute my arguments so instead you resort to personal attacks ... how very predictable of you!

No, it's not a typo. In one of her responses to his statement, SHE *claims* that the reason he gave for wanting to divorce her was because her nipples are ugly or he's no longer attracted to her nipples or some nonsense like that.

It is important to note that that is what she *CLAIMS* he said. Only sweet baby Jesus above knows if he really said that or not.

"Those things like breaking into his apartment and the housework and blah blah blah were 'he said she said' statements which I don't want to discuss as they are not factual but are one-sided assertions by one party on another."

OMG, are you serious???
Your entire first comment is based on YOUR speculation and conjecture of the wife's version of events!
EVERYTHING you presented as "fact" was based on what 'she said' and HER "one-sided assertions by one party on another."

I read your comment from start to finish. You chose the wife's side, then try to pretend you were impartial.

*Nothing* you stated as 'fact' is indeed fact. The husband had a rebuttal for everything you listed as 'fact', which means it can not be fact. FACT can not be refuted. It either is or it isn't.

YOU clearly do not understand the difference between opinion, speculation and conjecture so let me spell it all out for you & others who erroneously think like you:

1) Gu Hye Sun left her agency and joined Ahn Jae Hyun's in May 2019, around 3 months before the news of their divorce broke out.
IT IS FACTUAL THAT SHE JOINED THE AGENCY IN MAY, HOWEVER, WHAT IS NOT FACTUAL IS YOUR CONJECTURE THAT BECAUSE SHE JOINED HIS AGENCY THIS SOMEHOW SUGGESTED THAT ALL WAS PEACHY BETWEEN THEM & A DIVORCE WAS NEVER IMMINENT.
THE HUSBAND CLAIMS THAT AFTER 'CONTINOUS DISCUSSIONS' THEY AGREED TO DIVORCE ON JULY 30. PRIOR TO JULY 30, HE CLAIMS TO HAVE ALREADY MOVED OUT OF THEIR MARITAL HOME & WAS LIVING SEPARATELY FROM HIS WIFE. THIS SUGGESTS THERE WAS STRIFE IN THE MARRIAGE LONG BEFORE SHE JOINED HIS AGENCY, BUT SHE CHOSE TO SIGN WITH THEM ANYWAY.
WE CAN ONLY SPECULATE AS TO WHY SHE WOULD CHOOSE TO JOIN THE AGENCY OF A HUSBAND WITH WHOM SHE HAD ALREADY BEGAN NEGOTIATIONS FOR A DIVORCE. WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ACTION? IS IT HER? IS IT AHN JÆ HYUN? *YOU* DON'T KNOW!

---> SO YOU DID NOT PRESENT *FACT*, YOU PRESENTED CONJECTURE<---

2) From the public statement issued by the agency, it stated that Gu Hye Sun was the one who initiated the divorce which, taking into account Ahn Jae Hyun's devoted husband image, would paint her in a bad light if it was true.
INCORRECT. AGENCY WROTE IN STATEMENT RELEASED IN AUGUST THAT AFTER CAREFUL DISCUSSIONS *BOTH* PARTIES AGREED TO THE DIVORCE (NOTE AJH'S SUBSEQUENT CLAIM THAT A DIVORCE WAS MUTUALLY AGREED UPON ON JULY 30). THE AGENCY'S CLAIM IS THAT EVEN AFTER THEY AGREED TO DIVORCE SHE STILL WENT AHEAD AND MADE THEIR PRIVATE MATTER PUBLIC SAYING THAT SHE DID NOT AGREE TO DIVORCE. GHS REFUTES THE AGENCY'S ASSERTIONS, CLAIMING THAT THEY WERE ALL LIES. AJH RESPONDED WITH HIS OWN PERSONAL STATEMENT & INDICATED SHE'S THE ONE WHO IS LYING. WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO ISN'T? *YOU* DO NOT KNOW!

---> NOT FACT, YOUR BIASED INTERPRETATION OF THE AGENCY'S STATEMENT ... agency made ONE (1) statement, that everyone can read online. They never said what you attributed to them. <---

3) Gu Hye Sun published snapshots of her chat with Ahn Jae Hyun where in that chat conversation she kept insisting that Ahn Jae Hyun take responsibility and meet her mother to apologise for him breaking his promises made to her before they were married while Ahn Jae Hyun was clearly reluctant to do so. Also, Ahn Jae Hyun was responding to her in formal style while she was writing in informal.
GHS PUBLISHED A SMALL PORTION OF A CONVERSATION WITH NO BEGINNING AND NO END. AJH DISPUTES HER ARGUMENTS SURROUNDING THE TEXT, CLAIMING THAT BY PUBLISHING ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THE CONVERSATION, SHE TOOK HIS WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT IN ORDER TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD. IS HE LYING? OR IS SHE? *YOU* SURE AS HELL DO NOT KNOW!!!

AS FOR HIM TALKING TO HER IN FORMAL SPEECH, IT COULD BE BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY COMPLETELY GIVEN UP ON THE MARRIAGE & WANT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM HER. OR IT COULD BE THAT GHS IS OLDER THAN HIM & IT IS *NORMAL* IN SK TO SPEAK FORMALLY TO YOUR ELDER, EVEN WHEN THAT ELDER IS YOUR SPOUSE. HOWEVER, IS THE FORMER CORRECT? OR IS THE LATTER CORRECT? *NOBODY* KNOWS, SO ONE CAN ONLY SPECULATE!

---> NOT FACT, BUT SPECULATION <---

4) Gu Hye Sun's assertion that Ahn Jae Hyun left to spend his birthday with other people was confirmed and corroborated over social media pictures posted by himself taken on his birthday surrounded with people other than his wife.
GHS's ACCUSATIONS ABOUT HOW HER HUSBAND SPENT HIS BIRTHDAY IS FOR NOW NOTHING BUT SPECULATION & CONJECTURE FROM HER PART. WHY? BECAUSE SHE HAS PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN *HER WORD* THAT WHAT SHE CLAIMS IS TRUE. AJH GAVE HIS OWN EXPLANATION OF THE SITUATION, REFUTING HER CLAIMS.
WHOSE VERSION IS CORRECT? HIS? HERS? *YOU* DO NOT KNOW!
---> ONCE AGAIN, SPECULATION, *NOT* FACT<---

ALSO, HIS TIMELINE OF WHEN THEY SEPARATED & STARTED TO SERIOUSLY DISCUSS DIVORCE REFUTES ANY EVIDENTIARY VALUE THE PICTURES WHICH SUPPOSEDLY SHOW HIS ADULTEROUS WAYS HAD. HIS BIRTHDAY WAS ON JULY 1 .... HE CLAIMS HE & GHS WERE ALREADY LIVING SEPARATELY PRIOR TO THEM CONCRETELY AGREEING TO DIVORCE ON JULY 30. THAT MEANS THEY LIKELY WERE NOT ON GOOD TERMS AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTHDAY, MAKING IT NOT SO UNUSUAL THAT HE'S NOT CELEBRATING WITH HER. HE INSTEAD SPENDS THE BD WITH CO-WORKERS IN A CROWDED RESTAURANT ... IN BROAD DAYLIGHT & SHARES THE SNAP HIMSELF ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WHAT AMAZING PROOF OF AN AFFAIR! HE WOULD HAVE TO BE THE DUMBEST TWO-TIMING HUSBAND ON THE PLANET TO ADVERTISE HIS OWN AFFAIR FOR THE WORLD TO SEE!

5) A writer of their reality tv program 'Newlywed Diary' shared that what you saw on the show wasn't always telling the full story and that Ahn Jae Hyun was more than what he portrayed on that program. This statement was released a while ago long before the divorce news broke.
YOU PRESENT HEARSAY & SOMEONE'S SPECULATIVE OPINION ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL LIVES AS 'FACT'.

Yes, you can't argue with me because I will annihilate you. Your whole post is a damn joke.

Regarding your so - called 'facts', which, by the way, are anything but. You've only regurgitated the wife's version of events, but failed to highlight his response refuting her claims.

Which means there are NO facts. Just he said she said.

I have no dog in this fight. I am not a fan of neither him nor her & I had no idea who these people were before I randomly came across an article about their divorce on scoompi. In order words, I really don't give a rat's ass that they're divorcing or who's at fault. However, it's interesting how you (and others) pick a side then try to present the side you've chosen assertions as fact. It's ridiculous & I hope anyone with half a brain will easily see that.

Most guys are (unfortunately) beta males, so in that regard, it's not too farfetched ...

I don't know how to interpret y'alls comments.
So did KH & WW end up together or not? People say it's a happy ending, but your dialogue here doesn't seem to indicate that? What is what? Don't know what to believe ...