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Thank you. For those women who were screaming, they probably had no idea about what they were saying or the repercussions of their accusation. This somehow reminds me of a recent incident in my country that happened in an electric-driven public utility vehicle.

A woman accused a 50ish man who boarded the PUV of act of lasciviousness without knowing the circumstance of that poor old man. He just got into the jeep after work, that would mean he was tired and frail-looking and then immediately after boarding the vehicle, the driver drove it without minding if the old guy got a seat. He got near the lady because the latter was near the entrance and then there's where an incident happened.

A CCTV of the incident could be seen online of what made the old man acted that way but the lady who accused him of sexual assault proceeded to taunt him to the point of altercation leading to another incident where she called a group of guys including her family members to assault the poor old man. When the recorded incident was available and posted online, the real circumstance of that incident was analyzed and determined. In the end, the lady who accused the poor old man of act of lasciviousness got sued and was now seen on TV pleading and kneeling to the 50ish man to drop the case.

The morale of that real story is that to really know the circumstances before getting too judgmental. In the end, someone will end up getting sued for slander an/or perjury.

You have your own test. But it doesn't mean that others will have the same. Entertainment's value is subjective. Movies and other works of art can be graded by various critics. Some may rate an artistic output high while others low. It has its range and spectrum.

"The same can be said with racism, homophobia, sexism (and the crimes it leads too). How can you reduce it when you ignore the prejudices and stereotypes heavily conveyed by art and cultural products ?"

I feel like you have a very conservative political view. It reminds me of that republican politician who blamed the shoot-outs in school to videogaming. The fallacy in logic is very apparent with this kind of belief.

Perhaps, you are in an organization with agenda to create utopia of some sort where there is free of violence and sexual attitude and conduct.

Don't misconstrue my comment though. I fee like it's commendable but I feel like you are not in a right place to do that considering that this drama is already tagged to have mature content. If you want to voice your opinion, it's better to do it in a drama with PG rating but containing violence and offensive language and conduct.

It's because people are too serious in criticizing the drama. It seems that they have high expectation that they can use for case study. It's erotic fiction. You watch it to be entertained and not to use it as an example for criminal justice or psychology program.

And now you know that the series is not fitting for case study in your psychology program. It's fiction. It has erroneous content. It's for entertainment and not to be used for educational purpose. lol

Thanks. I find it understandable why some pips who have a problem with it and can't help to voice their opinion. It's like LSS(last song syndrome) for me. I hate a certain song too much but I often hear it somewhere like accidentally. My friends also catch up with the song and sing it for sheer fun. Eventually, I get to sing certain lines subconsciously even though I hate it and I even caught myself singing some lines randomly, like WTF. Perhaps, I parallel that situation with theirs. LOL.

P.S.

I am very aware that there are viewers who are still not mature in thinking despite their age. I would say this problem is more about the individual now.

And that's why it's also important that there is warning about the content to hold the producers and the broadcasters not accountable of certain liabilities.

Also, I understand certain comments criticizing the reactions of the comments about the scenes that seem to be disturbing for them. But I believe, it's important to practice respect. If we are too judgmental of their reactions, how can they be receptive of our suggestions?

If one commenter says a particular scene to be scorching "hot" but you see it as gross, how can you demand respect when you are already judgmental? A better approach would be important to apply rather than overtly criticizing their reaction if you want the commenter to level with you.

Even though both sides can't meet at a certain point, but it's important to still practice respect to gain respect.

Humans are very complex beings. Even if you say a thing is not right but others see it otherwise, then there's a fact that would tell us that individually, a truth of one may not be the truth of another. I don't want to educate here as if I am too high and mighty. LOL. There are many things to learn in this thing called life.

That is why I see TharnType as more gay drama than BL drama. Straight people can't really appreciate Queer as Folk because then they would brand gay people as too promiscuous. Yeah, the prejudice but the series, QAF, has more depth than what is seen in its sultry surface.

Damn, many people in this comment section cannot distinguish certain facts.

I would like to bring down some points based on their comments. And also October is LGBTQ history month so I think it's important to integrate things LGBTQ to certain points I want to discuss.

1. This show is derived from an erotic gay novel of a female author. Many people see it as BL drama but I see it a gay romantic comedy within the black comedy genre. Again, it is derived from a gay erotic novel with scenes not intended for young audience. So certain discretion is important.

2. As for consent of actions in which some people have certain problems here, there may be certain distinctions which I would like to point out. There is what you call expressed consent in which certain gestures such as yes or a nod would be regarded for a certain act to proceed. And there is also the implied consent in which certain subtle gestures would have to be seen especially in this show where expressions in scenes have relative weight and not just the conversation of characters . There's where I see certain problems here because people don't know what these gestures are as seen in the series.

In the shower scene, the implied consent is in Type's actions despite initial resistance. Knowing the character of Type, he could easily kick Tharn if he really abhorred doing certain actions deemed sexual. But why did he not resort to unlawful resistance, which he could avail? I've read a comment here that, perhaps, he was in a state that may have blocked his capability to think properly. But the question is: what is it in the novel that Type was temporarily catatonic during that scene? I'm very curious about it because it seems that people add certain content here and there to the point that there's already circumvention of the whole story.

3. Again with consent. Type and Tharn see themselves as sworn enemies because of a clash of principles and beliefs. In other words, they're at war. If I have to take an example in a situation where I declare to an enemy that I will kill him or her and he/she also responds that he/she will kill me, then we will proceed to an act already considered unlawful but then we have to beat each other. I may have to use self-defense on my part but I also find a way to kill him/her. Despite our desire to kill each other, it's still unlawful. Of course, what we're doing is unlawful.

Now, if I have to base it on the series where Type and Tharn are at war, there's a scene where the latter resorted to an assault while Type was asleep. Tharn proceeded to give him hickeys taking advantage of the situation. The question is: is the act unlawful? If I have to judge it. Yes, it may be. But I also make a justification that they're at war. Whatever they do that constitutes things that have certain consequences within the penal law would be considered unlawful. But there are circumstances that even if the act seems unlawful but the accused won't incur criminal liability if certain elements are present. I won't touch that though because it's too mind-boggling.

Anyways, I agree that there's an assault on that scene. What I'm not agreeing on several , comments is on how they see it as something too vile as if it's unforgivable. Like, come on! If you have problem with it, don't watch it.

4. A continuation to the third in which some people can't comprehend that the series is for mature audience but yet they always scream as if they're too proper, too morally righteous to the point that they want to educate people in the kindergarten. Again, many people see it as something not right but they have certain reaction to it because they see a certain side such as acting or the actors' chemistry. Haven't the Oscars awarded actors in villain roles? Yes, many including a posthumous for Heath Ledger for playing the Joker in a Batman movie and also for Anthony Hopkins for playing Hannibal Lecter. This is the entertainment industry people where a certain genre targeted for certain audience has shows that may be seen as disturbing but it's for the sake of art. yes, it's ART( no pun intended) This show is an artistic output.

5. In connection with the 5th but it's about the rating and again, this is the problem that I see with the comments because they fail to see the rating. If it's PG and there are those disturbing scenes then I would have also reacted strongly against the series. But it's rated R, for god's sake. Can't some people comprehend it?

If you ever watch Hollyoaks, a UK TV series, there are scenes portrayed by gay characters that may be too disturbing but then these scenes tackle certain issues where the mainstream should be aware of. If I have to compare those scenes in the UK TV series with the specific scenes in TharnType, the latter would just be too mild.

And that's where I see a certain issue, which I shall tackle in the 6th.

6. For the target audience of this series, I would like to categorize this show as gay series rather than BL drama for the sake of exhibiting political correctness because this is where I see people fail to see and make distinction. The BL dramas are more viewed by straight women who have certain fantasies of seeing male-to-male relationships. But the thing is they already have preconceived notions about homosexual relationships based on what they want to see. To a certain extent though, they see the relationships of male-to-male to be not really different with heterosexual coupling. I don't want to sound sexist here because I believe there are straight women who are fans of BL that already know the distinction. And I won't even discount some gay people to have similar views but I'm not really sure about that part though.

Anyways, this is the part where I see the problem of some comments here. They don't see justification and would rather scream something which they see and feel as wrong based on their preconceived notions. They fail to see that this series has dark content. Supposedly, they should execute better judgment through their comments considering its mature rating but then they want to apply political correctness to the point that they fail to see that their co-viewers are also mature enough to take responsibility and can practice discretion.

But of course, we can practice freedom of speech or expressions but at certain level. If you feel that it's wrong but then become judgmental, this is where I question on the rationale of the comment. Why are you watching it in the first place despite the warning?

7. I accept critical judgment but on the part that the comments have become too insulting for other viewers of the series, then it's where I see more than just one problem. Some commenters here have become too prejudicial to the point that they call some commenters to be advocates of violence and rape just because they have opposing views to certain comments deemed righteous. Where is just in that?

If you feel that you're too righteous because of certain religious beliefs or certain political views, then what's the point of you watching a series with dark content? Go watch other BL dramas. Isn't the rating of the series enough for you to comprehend that the target audience is not you?

8. I agree that the content may have some errors in it. But haven't we all considered fiction having farcical contents? This may be a light bulb for you to know that certain scenes are not really correct but then you have to think about what's the point of commenting when other people already know about it. If you feel that other people have certain reaction to a certain scene different from yours, then what can you do about it knowing that they're already adults?
If I'd be that type of commenter always preaching what's right and wrong to other people, I would consider myself as authoritarian, too self-righteous without regards to jurisdiction.

I won't say I rest my case. But for now, I shall do my bid to rest.

I'm very curious how you would see a show derived from an erotic gay novel to hold certain influence to a certain society. Perhaps, it might bring certain influence as you might have seen. But isn't the erotic part a red flag to you considering some scenes in this series based on the erotic novel are not really intended for certain audience, especially the young ones?

Have you ever watched erotica content in your lifetime? Perhaps, you want to equate erotica in the same level as religious content.

Perhaps, this series is not your typical BL drama. It's more described as an erotic gay series coming from an erotic gay novel. That's where I see the problem because it doesn't fit to your taste because it's too gay for you to the point that some actions are not what you see in typical BL dramas.

Perhaps, they fail to see that this show is derived from an erotic novel. I'm very curious of their reaction when Fifty Shades of Grey came out in theaters.

It seems to me that they see this show as something that would be taken as role model or somewhat for a certain society, like what society? LGBTQ? Perhaps, they haven't seen Queer as Folk in their lives.

Didn't they realize why the rainbow best represents the LGBTQ community? The rainbow has many colors with different shades of colors including grey if we take into account the bisexual community, which is a subset of this group.

If this is your issue, may I know how would you resolve it?

Don't your ever think that by this series, gay people would gain awareness about certain actions?

But then isn't this series originally from an erotic gay novel?

Like, come on!

I feel like there are moralist when Fifty Shades of Grey came out. I can already imagine the hilarity of the situation of these people calling out certain scenes where in fact they fail to realize that it is erotic novel with some violence and graphic scenes not intended for young audience.

The problem is that you may be a female and, perhaps, feminist. But yet you fail to see the whole picture, the circumstances of this story.

And I'm tired of you people being moralist. Like, isn't the censorship enough for you?

The characters are adults and so are the actors. What other factors would you want to bring into justification?

Do you want to take down this series because I feel like that's your intent?

I feel like that's the problem when many people who see this series as targeted to them, straight women who are moralist and who fail to make certain justifications of the plots of the story is that they want to circumvent the whole story according to their desire and whims.

As sad as this may sound, but this series is not just intended for straight viewers but also for gay audience. If you have problem with that, go research more about LGBTQ history as this month of October is its celebration. Perhaps, you will have an understanding why this month, there are many Bl shows with plots that touch the subjects on LGBTQ.

It's erroneous to infer that all BL series is targeted mainly for straight female readers/viewers. Again, that's my issue because I feel like most of these audience think that all of the actors are straight.

And no, I am also referring to other series with gay characters. If you ever watch Hollyoaks, a UK TV series, what you've watched in TharnType and the Effect are very mild to what those gay characters in that mentioned have been through.

Okay... the thing about romanticizing is very subjective. I had an argument on that because I don't think there are scenes being romanticized to the point that it's appealing. There are scenes where you think constitute assault but then you still feel disgusted to it. Do you think that it's effective in making it romanticized?

Others may see it as appealing though because of the actors and then the acting. But for those who see the issue, it's seen as appalling, right?

In my case, the last scene in the first episode is disturbing but I needed to weigh the circumstances. What compelled the character to do it.

But then again, people should see this as an artistic output, a motion picture, a show with different and connected plots with characters with different personalities. One should see the elements of this artistic output and not just one issue.

Is there an intent to make this show as a model for all good things and everything nice after putting in some sugar and spice?

That's why there is mature rating because it's intended for certain audience in the right group.

Now, may I ask you. Have you watched gay films in your life where the main trope is HIV/AIDS?

Think of Philadelphia starring Tom Hanks or The Normal Heart by HBO.

If you say yes, have you considered the weight of the emotions in many of those scenes?

I always see these gay films as depressing but we can't deny that they help in bringing awareness of certain subject just like in this BL show.

BL dramas are categorized within the gay pop culture even if you say the actors are straight. But then, many people see them as fantasies, disregarding certain realities happening in the lives of young gay people.

Yes, some scenes are off to some and to others but don't discount its purpose because it might help in bringing awareness about a certain issue in the lives of young gay people.

I would agree if the commenters have balanced views. But so far, what I've mostly seen in this type of comments is that they try to paint it to another level that seems very far-fetched. For example, if one commenter would say the act is rape, then it's better if there's an elaboration of what constitutes it. What leads to that act.

So far, the commenters would just say things based on one scene and then they forget to employ critical thinking. And then when one commenter opposed their views, the comment would turn into judgmental to the point that it got ridiculous.

I'm aware that I also suggested to this type of commenters not to watch if they are triggered by it. After all, we have free will, right?

But let's not forget the rating, the warning imposed by the producer of this show. It has mature content. Moralist can watch it if they like or they want to but then they must also be prepared that they would likely meet opposing views.

What makes this story interesting is that there's a discussion that would help open the minds of certain issues and certain sides to an issue. But if one stick to one side of the issue, then it's where one can meet contrarian views.

It's funny how we use Knock and Korn to be the benchmark for other BL couples when it comes to chemistry. I still think they're hard to surpass but with the visual coupling of Mew and Gulf, and their chemistry on the series and in real life based on certain vids, it's a close match.

But Mew and Gulf visually is another level. I still think Max and Tul are a beautiful couple, kinda bias here since I have a crush on Tul when I first ventured on Thai BL series but Mew is already my no. 1. He's the personification of a screen God in BL.
( And I'm happy that he's also in the community, so there's that factor.)

Wani, I see it initially as an assault. But as you pointed out, it led to consent. If we analyze the whole circumstance, the method used is to trigger a certain desire leading to a point where there was consensual attitude. So, if taken wholly, it cannot anymore be considered sexual assault.

Many people have differing opinions on the circumstance though, which I understand.

That's why I have to base the circumstance on the strength of the characters involved. If it would have been in boy/girl situation, even if there's consent near the end, the assailant can still incur certain liability.

In this case though, the assault is taken with consent because Tharn and Type agree to be enemies. Despite the contrary (on the part of Type when he told Techno that they were not anymore into mind games), both characters are still at it.

And I think it's where we need to realize that we are not the authors of this series and we can't control certain situations, even in real life.

We can standby until the end of this series how the author, using the characters, manages to resolve certain issues and from there let's form a coherent judgment of the series.

Yes, I asked you that but you have to also stick with the premise on that issue based on the series and not on other circumstances.