Really enjoyed this drama, but wished they had given us some of Shao Fei's background. All we really knew about…
I was also disappointed that at the end it was all about Tang Yi and his reaction of the revelations. Shao Fei had been crazily trying to get information about the killer for just as long as Tang Yi. I'm really surprised they didn't have Shao Fei be more affected by the knowledge that his Captain was involved and his colleague did the shooting. That was a damn big bomb for him to just be, "I'm disappointed in you, but deep down you wanted to come clean. So let me comfort you for having messed up."
I just didn't feel like Shao Fei was a fully fleshed out character. He was just a plot device to dispense unconditional understanding and second chances to other characters.
Really enjoyed this drama, but wished they had given us some of Shao Fei's background. All we really knew about him was that he'd been harassing Tang Yi to the point of screwing up major operations for four years because he wanted more information about the death of his mentor. He didn't seem to have family (no family pictures on his desk, just him and the mentor) and no family was called when he was injured.
Idk, just found it really annoying. Actually, just found HIM really annoying.
"You are so mannerless. Thank someone when they carry your bag for you and give you a ride." I'll get right on that, as soon as someone Asks to carry my bag and Offers to give me a ride. Instead of Stealing my bag and holding it hostage to Force me into accepting a ride.
"Please ignore that I'm leaning/slouched on the table with crossed arms while I tell you to sit at the table properly."
Latter half of the show was better, but so much garbage to fast forward in first half.
Ugh. Dude had no place teaching manners when he had none himself. Even clichés should be well executed.
i just finished the 6th episode and everything about them seems realistic actually.
I think we saw Tutor attracted to Fighter from the beginning and even teasing Fighter a bit, too (like trying to get him to clearly say he bought that drink especially for Tutor in the scene before Hwa arrives). Although he is ultimately annoyed by Fighter because he doesn't see him treating Hwa well, they actually get along and connect while studying together.
I took their trip to the beach as a chance to see if their connection was more than physical, and if it was, did they Really want to do something about it.
Being away from family and friends would make it easier to answer the question about what they really wanted without other life pressures influencing them.
Now that it is almost over I'm starting to watch it (I must BINGE when I watch, lol). The first episode wasn't that great, but now that she's in a novel world I'm totally loving it. I love transmigration novels. Considering their popularity, I'm surprised there aren't more transmigration series and movies.
I loved the K-drama version, it was one of my favorite dramas put out that year, so I'm really excited to try this. Plus I've enjoyed Saint in other things. Should be interesting to see what changes in the Thai version.
I just loved how vulnerable Fighter could be and how assertive Tutor could be. Also lovely to see consent as an important theme.
I mean, the thing with his dad and Tutor was kind of lazy writing, rushed to implement and rushed to solve, but I guess they only had so many episodes and I forgive them for making everything else in that storyline so awesome.
Side note: the scenery was beautiful and practically a side character.
I agree abt Lhong. His arc needed a firmer resolution. I answered abt it in the post below this to Nanakor, may…
Lol. Yes it looked like curiosity mixed with some habitual disgust. You can see Type returning the kisses just a little bit, like he wants to, but doesn't want to want to. I thought that was brilliantly acted out His emotional reaction is totally different from previous encounters as well. It's more a show of anger and pride than the frozen fear or violent anger we otherwise see.
I actually thought it was a dream sequence initially. When Tharn's head disappeared from view, I fully expected it to zoom out and show that Type was alone in the shower masterbating (lol, does my autocorrect not like that word! Although 'master bathing' is kind of an appropriate pun in this case). It made sense to me to show the evolution of his mindset/attractiom through a reference to the previous shower scene where Type was trying to masterbate and failed because he kept thinking of Tharn. THAT seemed like the natural progression, so imagine my shock when Tharn popped back up. I was like... Uh... We skipped a step? Or this dream sequence is really weirdly edited? This was reality and not fantasy?
Congrats on your article! Also, I'm doing this on my phone and my phone has no love for MDL, so hopefully not a freakshow of formatting and bad grammar.
I agree abt Lhong. His arc needed a firmer resolution. I answered abt it in the post below this to Nanakor, may…
Yes, the shower scene appeared consensual to me as well. The fact that it was consensual IS what stood out as weird, actually, because the show didn't give sufficient development to show that Type wouldn't either freeze or lash out (his response to contact up to that point, and which would have shown that it was non-consensual. He was barely reluctant, and that reluctance didn't last very long, as portrayed in the show).
IDK why shows are reluctant to slap some dates or '6 weeks later' or maybe a montage (I know, I know, a montage) onto a show to give us a sense of time elapsing.
Sounds like it will be worthwhile to give the book a read. Thanks for the timely reply.
Can honestly say, majority who liked this series and given high praises are probably heterosexual female viewers…
I'd just like to say everyone on this thread wins points for being able to discuss different opinions like reasonable people. On the internet, no less. You've basically all participated in a miracle. Congratulations, and thank you all for sharing you thoughtful opinions.
I agree abt Lhong. His arc needed a firmer resolution. I answered abt it in the post below this to Nanakor, may…
Nice reply. Glad you pointed out that they were both damaged individuals, because that does seem to be an essential element to the story. I actually really like the idea of these two characters ending up together, I just wasn't buying Type's progression in the show (the shower scene in particular). Sounds like you have probably read the book. Does the timeline for this make more sense in the book? The show implied that Type was starting to become attracted to Tharn, but it was pretty vague about how much time had passed and just how attracted he was feeling ("I'm super aware of Tharn drinking from that bottle of water - better let him blow me!"). I'm on the fence about whether I want to read it or not. If it improves on the show, I'm in. If it is just sloppy, I'll pass.
While I enjoyed the show, my enjoyment required an 'editing room' in my brain where I could mentally re-write how parts of the show went down. I haven't read the books. Are the sexual abuse and development in the physical relationship between Tharn/Type handled differently? If they are handled better, I might be interested in reading it. I feel like this would make a much better melodrama than straight up romance. A lot more time should have been spent on Type's evolution and even how Tharn would come to grips with Type's past and what it would mean for any relationship they would have.
Let me tell you I really really really loved Tasanee ! She was so cute and innocent in her own way. She never…
I think one of the things that is important to remember is that the audience gets to see Yai being nice and good, but Pin doesn't get to see everything we see. For the first 5 or 6 episodes all she gets to see is him being very threatening and and angry. I actually found it pretty disgusting in the early episodes how much he enjoyed scaring her by pretending to be a sexual predator. She's struggling to stay still and quietly crying and he's grinning where she can't see because, oh he's harmless and playing, and thinks they are snuggling. She had no way of knowing he's content to snuggle. If he wanted her to trust him, he should have behaved in a trustworthy manner. If she had to choose between two untrustworthy people, why not choose the one that was your boss, your mom trusted, paid for your schooling etc? Things were just starting to come apart at the farm and Pin was just starting to become aware of them when Yai showed up and painted himself a villain.
The best thing about this show for me, in all honesty, has actually been the theme of how loyalty of the serving…
*Pin's mom encourages her to give up her life, chastity and everything else if it means helping Nai's family *Jom has a falling out with his dad because Win sides with Yai. *Brot never has anything positive to say about Parm and compares him harshly to Yai.
It's very obvious where the problems are with Nai and Pin. It's why every one thinks she is stupid (but she has been basically brainwashed since birth to feel she doesn't matter and should give everything for Nai).
But our "hero", Yai, feels just as entitled to Brot and Parm's loyalty as Nai does with Pin and her Mom. Win feels more loyalty to his boss than he does respect for Jom's opinions. Both of those father/son relationships are damaged as a result.
Yaid has more general feelings of responsibility towards those that work for him than Nai, who is selfish to the extreme, but he doesn't treat them as equals with lives that mean just as much to them - I would not describe the relationship between Yai and Parm as a bromance. It barely passes as friendship. Out of loyalty to the Paisan family, Brot forces Parm to delay his own dreams of becoming a prosecutor to help Yai and at one point threatens to cut family ties if he doesn't --even though helping Yai requires Parm to do some shady things that could jeopardize his future career. It's better than Pin being told to go to prison for Nai, but maybe only because a situation doesn't arise where Parm COULD go to prison for Yai.
OMG, Pin is THE STUPIDEST WOMAN ON THE PLANET! I'm sorry, Weir, as much as I love you and a good slap-kiss drama,…
As frustrating as she is, he is just as bad. "No one loves me or trusts me, even though I'm going out of my way to convince you I am a violent criminal. When I verbally and physically threaten you to the point where you are literally shaking and in tears and having nightmares of me raping you -- it is just me being playful. Why can't you see I'm a nice guy?" Uh, because you haven't acted like one? I like Weir, but this character is dumb. At least Pin is only willing to hurt herself.
I'm halfway through, but about to be done because of both their crap. They are both lame. #JustDieAlreadyPin&Yai
I just didn't feel like Shao Fei was a fully fleshed out character. He was just a plot device to dispense unconditional understanding and second chances to other characters.
"You are so mannerless. Thank someone when they carry your bag for you and give you a ride." I'll get right on that, as soon as someone Asks to carry my bag and Offers to give me a ride. Instead of Stealing my bag and holding it hostage to Force me into accepting a ride.
"Please ignore that I'm leaning/slouched on the table with crossed arms while I tell you to sit at the table properly."
Latter half of the show was better, but so much garbage to fast forward in first half.
Ugh. Dude had no place teaching manners when he had none himself. Even clichés should be well executed.
I took their trip to the beach as a chance to see if their connection was more than physical, and if it was, did they Really want to do something about it.
Being away from family and friends would make it easier to answer the question about what they really wanted without other life pressures influencing them.
I mean, the thing with his dad and Tutor was kind of lazy writing, rushed to implement and rushed to solve, but I guess they only had so many episodes and I forgive them for making everything else in that storyline so awesome.
Side note: the scenery was beautiful and practically a side character.
His emotional reaction is totally different from previous encounters as well. It's more a show of anger and pride than the frozen fear or violent anger we otherwise see.
I actually thought it was a dream sequence initially. When Tharn's head disappeared from view, I fully expected it to zoom out and show that Type was alone in the shower masterbating (lol, does my autocorrect not like that word! Although 'master bathing' is kind of an appropriate pun in this case). It made sense to me to show the evolution of his mindset/attractiom through a reference to the previous shower scene where Type was trying to masterbate and failed because he kept thinking of Tharn. THAT seemed like the natural progression, so imagine my shock when Tharn popped back up. I was like... Uh... We skipped a step? Or this dream sequence is really weirdly edited? This was reality and not fantasy?
Congrats on your article! Also, I'm doing this on my phone and my phone has no love for MDL, so hopefully not a freakshow of formatting and bad grammar.
IDK why shows are reluctant to slap some dates or '6 weeks later' or maybe a montage (I know, I know, a montage) onto a show to give us a sense of time elapsing.
Sounds like it will be worthwhile to give the book a read. Thanks for the timely reply.
I actually really like the idea of these two characters ending up together, I just wasn't buying Type's progression in the show (the shower scene in particular).
Sounds like you have probably read the book. Does the timeline for this make more sense in the book? The show implied that Type was starting to become attracted to Tharn, but it was pretty vague about how much time had passed and just how attracted he was feeling ("I'm super aware of Tharn drinking from that bottle of water - better let him blow me!"). I'm on the fence about whether I want to read it or not. If it improves on the show, I'm in. If it is just sloppy, I'll pass.
*Jom has a falling out with his dad because Win sides with Yai.
*Brot never has anything positive to say about Parm and compares him harshly to Yai.
It's very obvious where the problems are with Nai and Pin. It's why every one thinks she is stupid (but she has been basically brainwashed since birth to feel she doesn't matter and should give everything for Nai).
But our "hero", Yai, feels just as entitled to Brot and Parm's loyalty as Nai does with Pin and her Mom. Win feels more loyalty to his boss than he does respect for Jom's opinions. Both of those father/son relationships are damaged as a result.
Yaid has more general feelings of responsibility towards those that work for him than Nai, who is selfish to the extreme, but he doesn't treat them as equals with lives that mean just as much to them - I would not describe the relationship between Yai and Parm as a bromance. It barely passes as friendship. Out of loyalty to the Paisan family, Brot forces Parm to delay his own dreams of becoming a prosecutor to help Yai and at one point threatens to cut family ties if he doesn't --even though helping Yai requires Parm to do some shady things that could jeopardize his future career. It's better than Pin being told to go to prison for Nai, but maybe only because a situation doesn't arise where Parm COULD go to prison for Yai.
I'm halfway through, but about to be done because of both their crap. They are both lame. #JustDieAlreadyPin&Yai