Your comment about the volleyball knock-out made me laugh so hard! The only good thing about watching this mess is to be able to read your comment and relate.
I feel the exact same way, thank you! There were moments where I wished for Yeon Seok to get on with the love rival bc at least that dude had a personality. And better chemistry if I’m being honest… And better acting skills..
It wasn’t bad even though the story was pretty basic. My enjoyment mostly stems from Jin Gun bc he had some decent acting skills and did quite well for his first drama. Jeon Chang on the other hand is pretty green when it comes to his acting. My main problem is that Jeong Yeon barely had any personality. I can only describe him as a cute but bland boy. Being cute is not a personality though. The idea of reincarnation kinda confused me. What were they trying to say? That Yeon Seok was in love with the soul? What exactly is the soul? Does it mean having the same personality? The same looks? Obviously not in this story. So what is it? The essence of that person? What is the essence of the person? I somehow couldn’t completely comprehend the point they were making.
While I don’t necessarily agree ,it is interesting to read different opinions.It does help me understand why…
I do think the standards will improve, it’s just going to take a bit of time. I remember my first live-action BL ( Ai no Kotodama) and I was excited to watch it. I liked it just fine back then but the standards have improved significantly throughout the years. I may have sounded pessimistic but I’m actually quite optimistic when it comes to future BL productions. Some tropes are unfortunately quite persistent in this genre, though I myself don’t necessarily mind the tropes themselves but usually their execution. BL as a Live-Action genre is still a toddler. It learned to walk but is still pretty wobbly on its legs. It’ll get better, I’m sure of it.
I see what you meant in regards to Vich and Prem. I can’t argue with that. While I didn’t like the acting and the characters felt a bit bare bones to me, their relationship was loving and unproblematic. I appreciate that too.
Ahh yes, now I understand what you meant. It seems that I misunderstood you and thought you referred to the story itself. I absolutely agree with you that the portrayal of the settings and attention to detail was exceptional. It had a beautiful slice of life type of feel. Unfortunately I didn’t consciously register some of it at first as I was too frustrated by the story and the lack of its progress to appreciate the cinematographic details to its fullest extent. As I haven’t visited Thailand yet (I fully intend to at some point) I appreciate all these details that you mentioned and explained. It seems the drama went through a lot of pains to portray such a realistic atmosphere in regards to the settings and the cooking. Certainly highly appreciated. Well, as I previously mentioned, the acting style of this drama didn’t sit well with me but I agree that most of the actors were good. Nuna and Gameplay were especially good as they felt the least stilted to me, although I think that Gameplays portrayal of a rich and lazy boy was a bit too corny. But maybe that’s what the director called for.
It’s incredibly interesting to read you thoughts on the portrayal of the competition as you seem to have experience with these things irl. On a side note, you must’ve felt great satisfaction to see these things portrayed in such a realistic manner. It’s always frustrating to see something being portrayed incorrectly when you yourself know exactly how it works. Regarding Aeks dish, maybe there really wasn’t anything more to it that that. Now I feel like a fool for thinking there had to be a metaphor somewhere in there lol I wish there was though.
After reading your explanation I do see some puzzle pieces that flew over my head (like the importance of the competition for Aek) but unfortunately it still doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the series bc I still couldn’t feel it. About 90 percent of it is the lack if proper build-up and loose story framing. I’m sorry for mentioning build-up every single time, I’m sure you’re sick of it by now. Anyway, if I were to give you an analogy it would be that now, I can see most of the puzzle pieces randomly strewn around in the room and what I would’ve liked to see instead, would be an already existing frame with a couple of puzzle pieces in the middle. You’d still have to use your brain to fit in the rest of the puzzle pieces but you’d have a frame and a couple of main pieces to guide you to construct the final image in a cohesive way. I appreciate your explanation a lot as it did help me understand certain elements better but I’d like to showcase why it still didn’t work for me as a well-written story. This is my my personal standard for analyzing stories but I always look at the story framing first. What is the main conflict and how does it end? How are the characters’ journeys constructed? Ideally every second of screen time would help propel the story in some way or another, every characters’ existence should be integral to the story and in the end everything should come together as a cohesive whole. Different story elements should enhance the main theme, not distract from it. The composition of these elements is important.
Let me take chef Eve as an example. She was introduced at the end of the first episode. I assumed she would play a bigger role bc she was introduced as an antagonist of sorts and the story technically had 8-9 episodes to develop and portray her conflict with Aue and potentially Aek. But she barely had any screen time. She appeared here and there, at the gallery, at the brothers hospital, in a short flashback and maybe somewhere else that I don’t remember but none of these appearances were significant enough for me to care about her or the half-formed conflict that she was a part of. (I’m calling it “half-formed” bc we only know the very basics of the conflict-she’s jealous. We don’t really know anything about how she met Aue and why she fell in love with him. The scene after the competition insinuates that Aue knew about her feelings for him but somehow led her on? It’s hard to say bc it wasn’t explored deeply enough. You can say it’s not important to the story but I’d say it’s imperative to understand Eve, her motivations and the source of the conflict). Just because she’s “scorned” doesn’t mean she has to want revenge.
All the puzzles pieces for her character development journey were there but they weren’t implemented into the main-theme at all. The question would be how does chef Eves existence contribute to the main conflict? Her existence didn’t really impact Aek and his inner conflict. Sure, she was jealous but it was mainly her problem and not Aeks. Her existence was unnecessary to the main story and nothing much would’ve change if she didn’t exist and was replaced with any other random chef in the competition. Her last conversation with Aue wouldn’t have happen but it wouldn’t be a big loss bc her role wasn’t big enough to begin with. I know Aue apologized to her at the end and that may explain why she was so set on revenge (if that truly was her motivation)- bc he was at fault too. I’m not even sure if her motivation was revenge. It could’ve been her inability to let go of her feelings for him. That’s why she was bumping into him from time to time. That was her only excuse to meet him and her winning the competition could mean that she’d have his eyes on her again, preventing him from letting go of their past, reminding him of the first time he lost to her. Her motivation is still not clear to me (is it revenge? Is it to prevent him from letting go? Is it something else?) It’s frustrating.
A similar thing applies to chef Wiphob even though he did have direct effect on Aek and Aue. His role was to be the evil antagonist who blackmailed Aue into losing the competition. It’s technically fine as a plot device (though heavily overused) but Wiphobs threat of blackmail was so vague and non-threatening that it was basically a non-issue. He showed Aue Aeks clothes. I assume it meant that he wanted Aue to know that he is getting close with Aek. I don’t think there’s anything ominous in that per say. What did Aue think Wiphob was gonna do? Flirt with Aek and then break up with him? That wouldn’t have worked as Aek had self-acceptance issues and also was in love with Aue. Did Wiphob mean to manipulate Aek in any other way? Aek didn’t seem to be naive or easily manipulated and even if that was the case the threat should’ve been clear. What was Wiphobs exact plan if Aue didn’t do as he was told? If this isn’t clear the blackmail loses all its threatening qualities. It would’ve also been nice to know how Wiphob and Aue first met and what their relationship is/was bc they certainly seemed to be well acquainted with each other.
Now let’s talk a bit about Aue. I know he told chef Mu that he never competed with him but my question is how did he come to this conclusion? Because it’s a conclusion, not the journey of coming to said conclusion, which I personally would’ve liked to see. But let’s say Aue never had this inner conflict. Let’s say that he competed with only himself from the start, but then, he did seem aggravated to a degree after being scolded by chef Mu in the flashback (ep 7). Chef Mu was angry that Aue lost to Eve. Aue obviously seemed to be conflicted. My question would be what is going on in his head? Is it the moment where he realized that he, as opposed to chef Mu, doesn’t care about competing with others? Or is it the moment where he realized that he needs to compete with others? (and come to the opposing conclusion later on?) It’s not clear to me. Maybe it’s neither. I don’t know. On another note, what was the problem between Aue and chef Mu? Seemed like another half-formed confict to me. Chef Mu’s aggressiveness towards Aue seemed to be way too intense for what happened. Maybe if it was explained in more detail I’d understand it better. Was chef Mu so disappointed by Aue bc he thought Aue prioritized loved instead of cooking? (something chef Mu specifically didn’t do). If thats the case it still doesn’t explain the overly intense emotions. Was it bc Aue was his favorite Sous chef and he had high expectations for him and projected his wishes onto him? Was Eve his Sous chef as well? Where were they when chef Mu saw Eve flirting with Aue? Was it after that one competition? I’m lost. I could go on and on trying to analyze and interpret all these scene and episodes in many different ways and maybe it would be a good drama to write an analysis paper about but that’s beside the point. I still think this drama didn’t connect the puzzle pieces enough. Maybe it’s a drama where people would benefit from a second watch but I’m gonna be honest and say that for something I didn’t particularly enjoy to sacrifice another 10 hours for is, unfortunately, a no from me.
Aue’s importance in this drama was a bit of an enigma to me as well. He seems to be a secondary character to Aek. He is the driving force for Aeks acceptance of his sexuality and an important step to achieving his dream of becoming a chef. Yet all the other chef characters seemed to be connected (through conflicts) solely to Aue instead of our main protagonist. That was a bit confusing for me. If I were to compare it to a picture, it would be something that is very hard for the eye to navigate. The composition is too messy and random. Usually, a well-composed picture has a starting point that your eyes are drawn too first. Then the composition helps your eyes to navigate through the rest of the picture without getting lost and that, in retrospect, helps you to see it as a cohesive whole. For me, this drama lacked a good composition to put it bluntly. Of course these are my personal opinions and impressions.
To mention Aeks mother, I still think her talk with Aue was mostly a technicality. She seemed to love her so too much to forbid him from going after his dreams, regardless of her talk with Aue. I never felt like she forbade him anything, she simply stated her opinion and he agreed to it bc he also loved and respected his mother too much to cause her distress. The last breakdown scene showed that she would’ve allowed him to become a chef regardless of anything. She just wanted him to have a safety net with an accounting degree, just in case. At least that’s how I perceived it.
The depiction of the conflict in episode 4 could also be perceived as a potentially romantic conflict. That’s how I thought of it at first. Considering how many other different potential conflicts were introduced at the same time (which I mentioned in my previous comment) it was hard to pinpoint which conflict was supposed to be the main one. At least it was hard for me.
Overly artistic works usually have a lot of abstract ideas and thoughts put into them. A lot of them are there for the audience to come to their own conclusions regarding whatever the theme of the piece is about. I’m not going to go into detail bc it’s not the point but “Bite Me” didn’t really work for me as such.The story wasn’t abstract enough for such artistic liberties. It had nothing too deep to ponder about (like f.e. Kafka’s Metamorphosis ). That’s why it didn’t work for me as an overly artistic piece. Any remotely philosophical ideas were very much surface level imo. The visit to the Nan-Province and the temple Mu could’ve yielded some interesting ideas but they weren’t explored deeply enough for my liking. Please take this with a big, fat rock of salt. Bc I understand that we all have different criteria for such things. That’s but my very personal opinion.
I’m sorry for writing such a novel-length response. I didn’t mean to write this much, it just happened. I now understand much better why you liked the series. With this I wanted to make clear why, even after rethinking and rewatching some moments and scenes, it still didn’t work for me as a well-written story. I found new appreciation for the details you mentioned (especially the Nan-Province) but as a story I still consider “Bite Me” to be…lacking, to say the least
While I don’t necessarily agree ,it is interesting to read different opinions.It does help me understand why…
It’s always nice to be able to discuss different opinions in a respectful manner :)
I like your analogy in regards to ITSAY and I agree that it’s the golden standard for BL. But I respectfully disagree that because of it people shouldn’t hold other BLs to the same or a similar standard. In fact, I think holding something to the highest standard will help it’s improvement at a much higher rate. I desperately want BLs to grow and become better, braver in their execution and themes etc. I want this genre to be respected and not looked down upon, not to be treated like a dirty step to gaining followers and popularity. That’s why I do want to hold them to a higher standard. It obviously doesn’t mean that I always hold a BL to ITSAY standard, especially if it’s a low-budget production but with “Bite Me” i think that it could’ve worked. In my opinion it had the potential to achieve that. It certainly had the budget. That’s just my explanation on why I specifically mentioned ITSAY. Also, it had pretty much the same inner conflict as “Bite Me”. Yes, the cinematography was excellent and many here agree on that but I can’t say the same for “realism”. To me personally nothing really felt realistic apart from Aeks inner conflict and his relationship with his mother but even that was lacking in its execution, specifically Aeks inner conflict, as stated in my previous comment. We certainly perceive things differently but it’s actually great to be able to talk about it.
In regards to the competition, I understand that the competition somehow helped people resolve things but my question is how? How and when does Aue understand that he should just compete with himself? I guess my problem is that it’s not clear when and how the characters changed their mind? What made them let go of their grudges and their past? How does losing the competition affect these changes? That’s what I meant when I said that the competition wasn’t properly interwoven into the characters’ inner conflicts. There seems to be a small puzzle piece that’s missing for me. The only one that made perfect sence to me was chef Moo. He fought for years to win and hold the first place but in the end he realized that he might’ve lost something even more important to him - Nuna. He won but isn’t completely satisfied and it’s easy for the audience to understand why - bc the drama showed him ignoring his girlfriend for the sake of being nr. 1 And when he finally got what he wanted he, ironically, became a loser himself. I guess I would’ve liked to know when and how Aues inner struggles made him realize that he needs to compete with himself instead of other people. Same goes for Eve. I need to see characters overcome their inner struggles to really understand and feel for them. Aeks breakdown after the competition makes more sense to me after reading your comment but I still would’ve liked to know the importance of the competition for him. What were the stakes? What would it mean for him to win the competition? What would it mean for him to lose it? Would he not have had a breakdown if he’d won it? Do you know what I mean? I’m not sure if I explained myself properly. Another thing I would’ve liked to know is what Aeks dish was missing. I’m sure it was a metaphor for something but I’m not sure what. Maybe it meant that he was lacking inner peace, distracted by all his inner conflicts. Then again, it didn’t seem like he was distracted throughout the competition (something I would’ve added if it was up to me). I understand that adding too much would feel like it’s on the nose but this barely had any clues. Maybe some metaphors just went over my head, who knows.
I agree that the main conflict was Aeks inner struggles and the theme of acceptance. It became clear in episode 8 and it was basically the only conflict that had any real weight to it. I still feel like the main theme wasn’t established soon enough. At first I thought it was going to be the romance as chef Eve was already introduced in episode 1. Then I thought it’s going to be the cooking competition but that too was discarded in the end. In episode 8, with Aeks emotional outburst, the drama finally stablished its main theme. The way I see it the drama meandered for the first 8 episodes and then, with a sudden force, established a new conflict that barely had any previous tension. I know you mentioned Aeks conflict with his mother about career choices and it was a nice and well-done plot point but it didn’t have enough weight to be considered a severe conflict imo. Not that it should’ve been. It wasn’t and that’s fine (imo of course). When his mom agreed to let Aek work in the kitchen with Aue it seemed mostly performative to me. Like she wanted to know that Aue would treat her son well. It seemed to me that his mom accepted it bc she understood that it’s Aeks choice and there’s not much else to it (regardless of Aue. What else could he have said? “No I’m not going to take good care of him?” That would be weird). I guess it could get more weight if I assumed Aek felt guilty for going against what originally were his mothers wishes even after she accepted it but I’m not sure I can see it. His final breakdown does seem to incorporate his guilt and fear for disappointing his mother by not winning the competition (in addition to him being gay) but again, there wasn’t enough build-up for me to understand how enormous his guilt was and how much it weighted on him.
I don’t think the acting was bad per say. When I said it’s “stilted” I meant it more in a way that the actors are capable but the directing called for some very controlled and staged acting (movements, dialogues etc.) I personally didn’t like it but that’s my preference. I agree that Prem (and Vich too imo) were a little hard to watch. While I could kind of enjoy Marks and Zungs acting I couldn’t say the same for the other two. Now, it may sound weird when I say it and it’s my personal opinion but I think Mark and Zung managed to convey the artistic “stiltedness” more naturally than Pam and Toon. Well, Mark and Zung had some acting experience beforehand so I’m not surprised. I confess that I’m one of the people who didn’t care about Vich and Prem. I didn’t like them, I didn’t hate them. I don’t think the story would’ve changed in any way if they didn’t exist. They also had no chemistry. Don’t know if you feel the same way. I can’t really say anything about them being a good or a bad representative couple. Aek seemed to be the only one with self-acceptance issues. Neither Vich nor Prem, like you said, nor Nuna at the end had any problems with the idea of dating someone of the same sex. Or do you mean bc they had no conflicts with each other?
Well, fair enough. I personally do need a good build-up as it helps me to understand the characters and their struggles. I always feel like something’s missing if things happened randomly and/or weren’t explained. I don’t need an explanation to everything but I need to understand and experience a characters journey, which is hard for me to do without a proper build-up to important conflicts. It seems to be one of the main reasons I couldn’t enjoy this drama. A shame. But it is what it is.
I agree, people certainly should decide for themselves if they like something or not. Nobody should be actively discouraged from watching a series, especially without constructive criticism. Even then one should take it with a grain of salt as we all like different things and therefore put importance on different things in a different way.
I just want to clarify why some of us really like this BL and why I don’t agree with a lot of the criticisms.…
While I don’t necessarily agree ,it is interesting to read different opinions. It does help me understand why other people liked something I didn’t. Below are my personal takes on “Bite Me”. I obviously can only speak for myself but I don’t dislike slow pace. As jpny01 mentioned in his review, the problem isn’t the slow pace but the fact that nothing of significant import happened throughput most episodes. And when it did happen, like in episode 8, it happened without much build-up and therefore ended up being quite unsatisfying and not as impactful as it could’ve been. I think the feeling of “slowness” came to be because most of the scenes were redundant and didn’t really affect the story in the great scheme of things. By that I mean they could’ve been cut and nothing much would’ve changed in the story. The dialogue too, felt unnaturally stilted to me. The pauses felt too artificial. The dialogue itself was unrealistic and staged. My main problem with this drama is that it’s too staged. Too controlled. The more some something is controlled the less natural it becomes. I really felt it here. But that may be personal taste.
I personally wouldn’t mind if this drama was mostly romance with a dash of cooking (even though I would’ve preferred it the other way round) but imo “Bite Me” is confused about what it’s main theme is: cooking or romance. You got to decide on your main theme and sub-theme and wave one around the other. The combination of both was messy here. The introduction of the competition seemed to be important as it was introduced pretty early on and seemed to be somewhat of a driving force but ended up taking such a backseat that it was disappointing, to say the least. I had a feeling that the series didn’t know how to properly combine the pressure of the competition with the inner conflicts of the characters. The example where this type of story worked was “HIStory Crossing the Line”. It had a similar idea, there was romance and sports but that drama combined both themes really well. They were harmoniously woven into each other. The characters got to know each other through volleyball and from there the feelings grew only to overflow and bring the inner conflicts to a boil right before the competition. In “Bite Me” it wasn’t as smooth, mostly bc it lacked proper build-up to any of the conflicts. Why did Aek lose the competition? Bc he truly lacked something? Or bc he wasn’t as concentrated on the cooking due to what happened between him and Aue? It’s not clear. What was the point of the competition? To realize for Aek that it’s ok to lose? To realize that he’s not as talented as he thought he was ? To realize that his mom still loves him even after losing the competition and knowing that he’s gay? I honestly don’t know. And how did the competition affect Aue? Did it finally make him realize that he doesn’t care about winning? But he didnt even seem to try bc of that very vague blackmail from one of the chefs. The competition seemed to have affected the rest of the chefs the most but I couldn’t care less bc we never got a proper story for them. That’s what I meant by “wasted potential”. The competition could’ve been implemented much better. Could’ve been better woven into the love story and inner conflicts.
The idea of an inner conflict is a good one. Self-acceptance is an important and difficult theme to deal with and it desperately needs good build-up for the pay-off to work but that’s where this drama failed imo. The acting scene in episode 8 was very good but it was way too sudden. It started with Vich randomly asking Aek about his relationship with Aue and Aek reacting in an apprehensive manner, which either means he didn’t really think of their relationship that way or he might’ve been unconsciously aware of his feelings for Aue but to have someone openly state it caused him to panic as he was unprepared to accept it yet. Both are technically fine but either should’ve been the starting point for Aeks self-acceptance journey. This revelation ideally should’ve happened at least a couple of episodes earlier so Aek would have had enough time to really think about his feelings and his insecurities and come to a decision. As Aue was completely unaware of Aeks inner struggles he would increase his attempt at flirting and that would effectively put pressure on Aek and scare him into the outburst that happened in episode 8. That’s just an example on my part. My point still stands that Aeks outburst didn’t have enough build-up and therefore happened a little randomly. I liked the mother character a lot actually. I think she fit this story very well.I’ve known such people and wish everybody could have such wonderful parents. I also understand Aeks fear of coming out to his mother as well as probably feeling guilty for being gay as it is, like you have mentioned, still not easily accepted in most countries.
As jpny01 mentioned in another comment, ITSAY is a perfect example of a slow-paced drama that managed the build-up to the conflict wonderfully. It was slow but never boring, not a second of screen time was wasted on unnecessary moments. It was artistic but not overdone, it had symbolism in things and colors but most importantly it never felt unnatural. It also had self-acceptance conflict similar to “Bite Me” but managed to do it more effectively imo.
I don’t think David Bigander is a bad director. I think he knew what he was doing but in my opinion it ended up being a failed attempt. I think he attempted to do something new with this drama but it didn’t resonate with a lot of viewers.
By no means do I want to encroach or invalidate your opinion. I’m simply stating mine in opposition to yours to highlight things that specifically didn’t work for me. But I’m glad that you and a number of other people liked it and enjoyed the series the way the director meant for people to enjoy it. When it comes to me, I wish I liked it but I didn’t. I wish it would’ve been a little different but it wasn’t. I’d still like to know how it was received in Thailand.
I can't believe I ended feeling more confused about the plot than when I started watching it LOL. Was it ever…
I know, somehow nothing makes sense in this drama. Wasn’t Jung Woo in debt at first? Apparently before he met Laura? Did Laura pay off his debt? What for? To make him Do Guns competitor? That’s waaay to much trouble for such a small thing. Maybe I just don’t get something..
Mediocre. There’s been a lot of food-themed BLs lately like “Bite Me”, “Tasty Florida” and now “My…
Apparently Laura wanted Do Gun to change, then she wanted to get rid of him but Do Gun didn’t want to leave “Laura’s Dining” because she had the rights to his special dish? But when she finally fired him he simply started his own restaurant no problem? I’m a little lost here. There didn’t seem to be any real weight .. or logic to any of the conflicts
Mediocre. There’s been a lot of food-themed BLs lately like “Bite Me”, “Tasty Florida” and now “My Sweet Dear”. I usually like food-themed stories but here the cooking-setting felt a bit random. At least “Bite Me” dedicated itself to the theme of cooking. Here, it felt like they chose the cooking-theme because it’s trendy, not because the story asked for it. All in all I liked the acting and the character of Jung Woo but the plot and the dialogues were incorrigible. What kind of conflict was that even? Can somebody help me out? What the heck was Laura’s problem? And why did she have to go in such a roundabout way about it? Btw, I’m not even gonna touch Jung Woo because that’s a completely different suitcase which I’m gonna throw overboard, unpacked.
Stunning on the outside but dull and boring on the inside. The slow pace wasn’t the problem, the problem was the wasting of screen time on unnecessarily long shots, superfluous montages and rehashing of scenes. To make something more impactful you got to use it sparingly. There are times and places for longer shots and it certainly isn’t EVERY shot. Anyway, this drama felt more like a food photography book instead of a storytelling medium. It was beautiful but a little out of place as it ended up taking too much of the screen time. The actors seemed to be capable as well but the strange directing choices worked against them. I’m still baffled by the discrepancy between the beautiful visual style and camera work of this drama and the actors’ awkward and stilted line deliveries and movements. There was so much potential for interesting conflicts but literally nothing happened for the first 9 episodes. The romance was almost non-existent and the potentially interesting plot points regarding all the different chefs and the competition were completely ignored. Then everything got neatly resolved in one episode. It was almost funny how things got resolved when they didn’t even have time to properly amount to anything first.
I didn’t think I could be more disappointed than I already am but here we are. After reading the comments about the special ep I not only have zero interest in watching it but also feel embarrassment for Mame and the team about this brazenly blatant money grab that could be summarized as „ Happy End-baiting for L/P“. There‘re is cliffhangers and then there’s this. They’re not even trying to be subtle about their intentions and that all at the cost of their viewers (literally). At this point the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
At first I was excited the episodes were so long.. but damn.. there are many scenes that are just soooo drawn…
Same. I just finished ep 3 and while I like the visual style of this drama, the unrealistic dialogue and its awkward and slow deliveries are really getting to me by now :/ It’s like the whole series is in slow-mo
Idk, I'm trying to watch this but it just seems off somehow. On episode 3 and I'm tempted to drop after that kissing…
No, it really doesn’t. You might like Leon and Pop though. So if you’re unsure about dropping it you can skip or fast forward if you find yourself cringing too much
I'm happy if I could be of any help. I just watched the final episode and it only reinforced my feelings about…
That‘s true. Forgiveness is a good thing to teach but you got to draw the line somewhere. Regardless of being forgiven or not, there rarely seems to be any proper punishment for the perpetrators. Yes, especially in He’s Coming To Me the uncle apologized, opened some fond or something and everything is all and well. Same with Lhong, his punishment seems to be that he’s sad and regrets it.
I'm happy if I could be of any help. I just watched the final episode and it only reinforced my feelings about…
Yeah, it’s probably their way of milking money. Same thing they did with TT the wedding episode. I remember Lhong didn’t go to prison so I guess everything did work out for him lol
I'm happy if I could be of any help. I just watched the final episode and it only reinforced my feelings about…
Wow, that sure sounds promising :( But I gotta finish what I start, which means still 9 episodes to go. Goddammit. I was at least hoping for good Leon/Pob ending but I guess not.
And better acting skills..
The idea of reincarnation kinda confused me. What were they trying to say? That Yeon Seok was in love with the soul? What exactly is the soul? Does it mean having the same personality? The same looks? Obviously not in this story. So what is it? The essence of that person? What is the essence of the person? I somehow couldn’t completely comprehend the point they were making.
I see what you meant in regards to Vich and Prem. I can’t argue with that. While I didn’t like the acting and the characters felt a bit bare bones to me, their relationship was loving and unproblematic. I appreciate that too.
Ahh yes, now I understand what you meant. It seems that I misunderstood you and thought you referred to the story itself. I absolutely agree with you that the portrayal of the settings and attention to detail was exceptional. It had a beautiful slice of life type of feel. Unfortunately I didn’t consciously register some of it at first as I was too frustrated by the story and the lack of its progress to appreciate the cinematographic details to its fullest extent. As I haven’t visited Thailand yet (I fully intend to at some point) I appreciate all these details that you mentioned and explained. It seems the drama went through a lot of pains to portray such a realistic atmosphere in regards to the settings and the cooking. Certainly highly appreciated.
Well, as I previously mentioned, the acting style of this drama didn’t sit well with me but I agree that most of the actors were good. Nuna and Gameplay were especially good as they felt the least stilted to me, although I think that Gameplays portrayal of a rich and lazy boy was a bit too corny.
But maybe that’s what the director called for.
It’s incredibly interesting to read you thoughts on the portrayal of the competition as you seem to have experience with these things irl. On a side note, you must’ve felt great satisfaction to see these things portrayed in such a realistic manner. It’s always frustrating to see something being portrayed incorrectly when you yourself know exactly how it works.
Regarding Aeks dish, maybe there really wasn’t anything more to it that that. Now I feel like a fool for thinking there had to be a metaphor somewhere in there lol I wish there was though.
After reading your explanation I do see some puzzle pieces that flew over my head (like the importance of the competition for Aek) but unfortunately it still doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the series bc I still couldn’t feel it. About 90 percent of it is the lack if proper build-up and loose story framing. I’m sorry for mentioning build-up every single time, I’m sure you’re sick of it by now. Anyway, if I were to give you an analogy it would be that now, I can see most of the puzzle pieces randomly strewn around in the room and what I would’ve liked to see instead, would be an already existing frame with a couple of puzzle pieces in the middle. You’d still have to use your brain to fit in the rest of the puzzle pieces but you’d have a frame and a couple of main pieces to guide you to construct the final image in a cohesive way.
I appreciate your explanation a lot as it did help me understand certain elements better but I’d like to showcase why it still didn’t work for me as a well-written story.
This is my my personal standard for analyzing stories but I always look at the story framing first. What is the main conflict and how does it end? How are the characters’ journeys constructed? Ideally every second of screen time would help propel the story in some way or another, every characters’ existence should be integral to the story and in the end everything should come together as a cohesive whole. Different story elements should enhance the main theme, not distract from it. The composition of these elements is important.
Let me take chef Eve as an example. She was introduced at the end of the first episode. I assumed she would play a bigger role bc she was introduced as an antagonist of sorts and the story technically had 8-9 episodes to develop and portray her conflict with Aue and potentially Aek. But she barely had any screen time. She appeared here and there, at the gallery, at the brothers hospital, in a short flashback and maybe somewhere else that I don’t remember but none of these appearances were significant enough for me to care about her or the half-formed conflict that she was a part of. (I’m calling it “half-formed” bc we only know the very basics of the conflict-she’s jealous. We don’t really know anything about how she met Aue and why she fell in love with him. The scene after the competition insinuates that Aue knew about her feelings for him but somehow led her on? It’s hard to say bc it wasn’t explored deeply enough. You can say it’s not important to the story but I’d say it’s imperative to understand Eve, her motivations and the source of the conflict). Just because she’s “scorned” doesn’t mean she has to want revenge.
All the puzzles pieces for her character development journey were there but they weren’t implemented into the main-theme at all.
The question would be how does chef Eves existence contribute to the main conflict? Her existence didn’t really impact Aek and his inner conflict. Sure, she was jealous but it was mainly her problem and not Aeks. Her existence was unnecessary to the main story and nothing much would’ve change if she didn’t exist and was replaced with any other random chef in the competition. Her last conversation with Aue wouldn’t have happen but it wouldn’t be a big loss bc her role wasn’t big enough to begin with. I know Aue apologized to her at the end and that may explain why she was so set on revenge (if that truly was her motivation)- bc he was at fault too.
I’m not even sure if her motivation was revenge. It could’ve been her inability to let go of her feelings for him. That’s why she was bumping into him from time to time. That was her only excuse to meet him and her winning the competition could mean that she’d have his eyes on her again, preventing him from letting go of their past, reminding him of the first time he lost to her.
Her motivation is still not clear to me (is it revenge? Is it to prevent him from letting go? Is it something else?) It’s frustrating.
A similar thing applies to chef Wiphob even though he did have direct effect on Aek and Aue. His role was to be the evil antagonist who blackmailed Aue into losing the competition. It’s technically fine as a plot device (though heavily overused) but Wiphobs threat of blackmail was so vague and non-threatening that it was basically a non-issue. He showed Aue Aeks clothes. I assume it meant that he wanted Aue to know that he is getting close with Aek. I don’t think there’s anything ominous in that per say. What did Aue think Wiphob was gonna do? Flirt with Aek and then break up with him? That wouldn’t have worked as Aek had self-acceptance issues and also was in love with Aue. Did Wiphob mean to manipulate Aek in any other way? Aek didn’t seem to be naive or easily manipulated and even if that was the case the threat should’ve been clear. What was Wiphobs exact plan if Aue didn’t do as he was told? If this isn’t clear the blackmail loses all its threatening qualities. It would’ve also been nice to know how Wiphob and Aue first met and what their relationship is/was bc they certainly seemed to be well acquainted with each other.
Now let’s talk a bit about Aue. I know he told chef Mu that he never competed with him but my question is how did he come to this conclusion? Because it’s a conclusion, not the journey of coming to said conclusion, which I personally would’ve liked to see. But let’s say Aue never had this inner conflict. Let’s say that he competed with only himself from the start, but then, he did seem aggravated to a degree after being scolded by chef Mu in the flashback (ep 7). Chef Mu was angry that Aue lost to Eve. Aue obviously seemed to be conflicted. My question would be what is going on in his head? Is it the moment where he realized that he, as opposed to chef Mu, doesn’t care about competing with others? Or is it the moment where he realized that he needs to compete with others? (and come to the opposing conclusion later on?) It’s not clear to me. Maybe it’s neither. I don’t know.
On another note, what was the problem between Aue and chef Mu? Seemed like another half-formed confict to me. Chef Mu’s aggressiveness towards Aue seemed to be way too intense for what happened. Maybe if it was explained in more detail I’d understand it better. Was chef Mu so disappointed by Aue bc he thought Aue prioritized loved instead of cooking? (something chef Mu specifically didn’t do). If thats the case it still doesn’t explain the overly intense emotions. Was it bc Aue was his favorite Sous chef and he had high expectations for him and projected his wishes onto him? Was Eve his Sous chef as well? Where were they when chef Mu saw Eve flirting with Aue? Was it after that one competition? I’m lost.
I could go on and on trying to analyze and interpret all these scene and episodes in many different ways and maybe it would be a good drama to write an analysis paper about but that’s beside the point. I still think this drama didn’t connect the puzzle pieces enough.
Maybe it’s a drama where people would benefit from a second watch but I’m gonna be honest and say that for something I didn’t particularly enjoy to sacrifice another 10 hours for is, unfortunately, a no from me.
Aue’s importance in this drama was a bit of an enigma to me as well. He seems to be a secondary character to Aek. He is the driving force for Aeks acceptance of his sexuality and an important step to achieving his dream of becoming a chef. Yet all the other chef characters seemed to be connected (through conflicts) solely to Aue instead of our main protagonist. That was a bit confusing for me.
If I were to compare it to a picture, it would be something that is very hard for the eye to navigate. The composition is too messy and random. Usually, a well-composed picture has a starting point that your eyes are drawn too first. Then the composition helps your eyes to navigate through the rest of the picture without getting lost and that, in retrospect, helps you to see it as a cohesive whole. For me, this drama lacked a good composition to put it bluntly. Of course these are my personal opinions and impressions.
To mention Aeks mother, I still think her talk with Aue was mostly a technicality. She seemed to love her so too much to forbid him from going after his dreams, regardless of her talk with Aue. I never felt like she forbade him anything, she simply stated her opinion and he agreed to it bc he also loved and respected his mother too much to cause her distress. The last breakdown scene showed that she would’ve allowed him to become a chef regardless of anything. She just wanted him to have a safety net with an accounting degree, just in case. At least that’s how I perceived it.
The depiction of the conflict in episode 4 could also be perceived as a potentially romantic conflict. That’s how I thought of it at first. Considering how many other different potential conflicts were introduced at the same time (which I mentioned in my previous comment) it was hard to pinpoint which conflict was supposed to be the main one. At least it was hard for me.
Overly artistic works usually have a lot of abstract ideas and thoughts put into them. A lot of them are there for the audience to come to their own conclusions regarding whatever the theme of the piece is about. I’m not going to go into detail bc it’s not the point but “Bite Me” didn’t really work for me as such.The story wasn’t abstract enough for such artistic liberties. It had nothing too deep to ponder about (like f.e. Kafka’s Metamorphosis ).
That’s why it didn’t work for me as an overly artistic piece. Any remotely philosophical ideas were very much surface level imo. The visit to the Nan-Province and the temple Mu could’ve yielded some interesting ideas but they weren’t explored deeply enough for my liking.
Please take this with a big, fat rock of salt. Bc I understand that we all have different criteria for such things. That’s but my very personal opinion.
I’m sorry for writing such a novel-length response. I didn’t mean to write this much, it just happened. I now understand much better why you liked the series. With this I wanted to make clear why, even after rethinking and rewatching some moments and scenes, it still didn’t work for me as a well-written story. I found new appreciation for the details you mentioned (especially the Nan-Province) but as a story I still consider “Bite Me” to be…lacking, to say the least
I like your analogy in regards to ITSAY and I agree that it’s the golden standard for BL. But I respectfully disagree that because of it people shouldn’t hold other BLs to the same or a similar standard. In fact, I think holding something to the highest standard will help it’s improvement at a much higher rate. I desperately want BLs to grow and become better, braver in their execution and themes etc. I want this genre to be respected and not looked down upon, not to be treated like a dirty step to gaining followers and popularity. That’s why I do want to hold them to a higher standard. It obviously doesn’t mean that I always hold a BL to ITSAY standard, especially if it’s a low-budget production but with “Bite Me” i think that it could’ve worked. In my opinion it had the potential to achieve that. It certainly had the budget. That’s just my explanation on why I specifically mentioned ITSAY. Also, it had pretty much the same inner conflict as “Bite Me”.
Yes, the cinematography was excellent and many here agree on that but I can’t say the same for “realism”. To me personally nothing really felt realistic apart from Aeks inner conflict and his relationship with his mother but even that was lacking in its execution, specifically Aeks inner conflict, as stated in my previous comment. We certainly perceive things differently but it’s actually great to be able to talk about it.
In regards to the competition, I understand that the competition somehow helped people resolve things but my question is how? How and when does Aue understand that he should just compete with himself? I guess my problem is that it’s not clear when and how the characters changed their mind? What made them let go of their grudges and their past? How does losing the competition affect these changes? That’s what I meant when I said that the competition wasn’t properly interwoven into the characters’ inner conflicts.
There seems to be a small puzzle piece that’s missing for me. The only one that made perfect sence to me was chef Moo. He fought for years to win and hold the first place but in the end he realized that he might’ve lost something even more important to him - Nuna. He won but isn’t completely satisfied and it’s easy for the audience to understand why - bc the drama showed him ignoring his girlfriend for the sake of being nr. 1 And when he finally got what he wanted he, ironically, became a loser himself.
I guess I would’ve liked to know when and how Aues inner struggles made him realize that he needs to compete with himself instead of other people. Same goes for Eve. I need to see characters overcome their inner struggles to really understand and feel for them.
Aeks breakdown after the competition makes more sense to me after reading your comment but I still would’ve liked to know the importance of the competition for him. What were the stakes? What would it mean for him to win the competition? What would it mean for him to lose it? Would he not have had a breakdown if he’d won it? Do you know what I mean? I’m not sure if I explained myself properly.
Another thing I would’ve liked to know is what Aeks dish was missing. I’m sure it was a metaphor for something but I’m not sure what. Maybe it meant that he was lacking inner peace, distracted by all his inner conflicts. Then again, it didn’t seem like he was distracted throughout the competition (something I would’ve added if it was up to me).
I understand that adding too much would feel like it’s on the nose but this barely had any clues. Maybe some metaphors just went over my head, who knows.
I agree that the main conflict was Aeks inner struggles and the theme of acceptance. It became clear in episode 8 and it was basically the only conflict that had any real weight to it.
I still feel like the main theme wasn’t established soon enough. At first I thought it was going to be the romance as chef Eve was already introduced in episode 1. Then I thought it’s going to be the cooking competition but that too was discarded in the end. In episode 8, with Aeks emotional outburst, the drama finally stablished its main theme. The way I see it the drama meandered for the first 8 episodes and then, with a sudden force, established a new conflict that barely had any previous tension.
I know you mentioned Aeks conflict with his mother about career choices and it was a nice and well-done plot point but it didn’t have enough weight to be considered a severe conflict imo. Not that it should’ve been. It wasn’t and that’s fine (imo of course). When his mom agreed to let Aek work in the kitchen with Aue it seemed mostly performative to me. Like she wanted to know that Aue would treat her son well. It seemed to me that his mom accepted it bc she understood that it’s Aeks choice and there’s not much else to it (regardless of Aue. What else could he have said? “No I’m not going to take good care of him?” That would be weird). I guess it could get more weight if I assumed Aek felt guilty for going against what originally were his mothers wishes even after she accepted it but I’m not sure I can see it. His final breakdown does seem to incorporate his guilt and fear for disappointing his mother by not winning the competition (in addition to him being gay) but again, there wasn’t enough build-up for me to understand how enormous his guilt was and how much it weighted on him.
I don’t think the acting was bad per say. When I said it’s “stilted” I meant it more in a way that the actors are capable but the directing called for some very controlled and staged acting (movements, dialogues etc.) I personally didn’t like it but that’s my preference.
I agree that Prem (and Vich too imo) were a little hard to watch. While I could kind of enjoy Marks and Zungs acting I couldn’t say the same for the other two. Now, it may sound weird when I say it and it’s my personal opinion but I think Mark and Zung managed to convey the artistic “stiltedness” more naturally than Pam and Toon. Well, Mark and Zung had some acting experience beforehand so I’m not surprised.
I confess that I’m one of the people who didn’t care about Vich and Prem. I didn’t like them, I didn’t hate them. I don’t think the story would’ve changed in any way if they didn’t exist. They also had no chemistry. Don’t know if you feel the same way. I can’t really say anything about them being a good or a bad representative couple. Aek seemed to be the only one with self-acceptance issues. Neither Vich nor Prem, like you said, nor Nuna at the end had any problems with the idea of dating someone of the same sex. Or do you mean bc they had no conflicts with each other?
Well, fair enough. I personally do need a good build-up as it helps me to understand the characters and their struggles. I always feel like something’s missing if things happened randomly and/or weren’t explained. I don’t need an explanation to everything but I need to understand and experience a characters journey, which is hard for me to do without a proper build-up to important conflicts. It seems to be one of the main reasons I couldn’t enjoy this drama. A shame. But it is what it is.
I agree, people certainly should decide for themselves if they like something or not. Nobody should be actively discouraged from watching a series, especially without constructive criticism. Even then one should take it with a grain of salt as we all like different things and therefore put importance on different things in a different way.
It does help me understand why other people liked something I didn’t. Below are my personal takes on “Bite Me”.
I obviously can only speak for myself but I don’t dislike slow pace. As jpny01 mentioned in his review, the problem isn’t the slow pace but the fact that nothing of significant import happened throughput most episodes. And when it did happen, like in episode 8, it happened without much build-up and therefore ended up being quite unsatisfying and not as impactful as it could’ve been.
I think the feeling of “slowness” came to be because most of the scenes were redundant and didn’t really affect the story in the great scheme of things. By that I mean they could’ve been cut and nothing much would’ve changed in the story. The dialogue too, felt unnaturally stilted to me. The pauses felt too artificial. The dialogue itself was unrealistic and staged. My main problem with this drama is that it’s too staged. Too controlled. The more some something is controlled the less natural it becomes. I really felt it here. But that may be personal taste.
I personally wouldn’t mind if this drama was mostly romance with a dash of cooking (even though I would’ve preferred it the other way round) but imo “Bite Me” is confused about what it’s main theme is: cooking or romance. You got to decide on your main theme and sub-theme and wave one around the other. The combination of both was messy here. The introduction of the competition seemed to be important as it was introduced pretty early on and seemed to be somewhat of a driving force but ended up taking such a backseat that it was disappointing, to say the least.
I had a feeling that the series didn’t know how to properly combine the pressure of the competition with the inner conflicts of the characters. The example where this type of story worked was “HIStory Crossing the Line”. It had a similar idea, there was romance and sports but that drama combined both themes really well. They were harmoniously woven into each other. The characters got to know each other through volleyball and from there the feelings grew only to overflow and bring the inner conflicts to a boil right before the competition.
In “Bite Me” it wasn’t as smooth, mostly bc it lacked proper build-up to any of the conflicts. Why did Aek lose the competition? Bc he truly lacked something? Or bc he wasn’t as concentrated on the cooking due to what happened between him and Aue? It’s not clear.
What was the point of the competition? To realize for Aek that it’s ok to lose? To realize that he’s not as talented as he thought he was ? To realize that his mom still loves him even after losing the competition and knowing that he’s gay? I honestly don’t know. And how did the competition affect Aue? Did it finally make him realize that he doesn’t care about winning? But he didnt even seem to try bc of that very vague blackmail from one of the chefs. The competition seemed to have affected the rest of the chefs the most but I couldn’t care less bc we never got a proper story for them. That’s what I meant by “wasted potential”. The competition could’ve been implemented much better. Could’ve been better woven into the love story and inner conflicts.
The idea of an inner conflict is a good one. Self-acceptance is an important and difficult theme to deal with and it desperately needs good build-up for the pay-off to work but that’s where this drama failed imo. The acting scene in episode 8 was very good but it was way too sudden. It started with Vich randomly asking Aek about his relationship with Aue and Aek reacting in an apprehensive manner, which either means he didn’t really think of their relationship that way or he might’ve been unconsciously aware of his feelings for Aue but to have someone openly state it caused him to panic as he was unprepared to accept it yet. Both are technically fine but either should’ve been the starting point for Aeks self-acceptance journey. This revelation ideally should’ve happened at least a couple of episodes earlier so Aek would have had enough time to really think about his feelings and his insecurities and come to a decision. As Aue was completely unaware of Aeks inner struggles he would increase his attempt at flirting and that would effectively put pressure on Aek and scare him into the outburst that happened in episode 8. That’s just an example on my part. My point still stands that Aeks outburst didn’t have enough build-up and therefore happened a little randomly.
I liked the mother character a lot actually. I think she fit this story very well.I’ve known such people and wish everybody could have such wonderful parents. I also understand Aeks fear of coming out to his mother as well as probably feeling guilty for being gay as it is, like you have mentioned, still not easily accepted in most countries.
As jpny01 mentioned in another comment, ITSAY is a perfect example of a slow-paced drama that managed the build-up to the conflict wonderfully. It was slow but never boring, not a second of screen time was wasted on unnecessary moments. It was artistic but not overdone, it had symbolism in things and colors but most importantly it never felt unnatural. It also had self-acceptance conflict similar to “Bite Me” but managed to do it more effectively imo.
I don’t think David Bigander is a bad director. I think he knew what he was doing but in my opinion it ended up being a failed attempt. I think he attempted to do something new with this drama but it didn’t resonate with a lot of viewers.
By no means do I want to encroach or invalidate your opinion. I’m simply stating mine in opposition to yours to highlight things that specifically didn’t work for me. But I’m glad that you and a number of other people liked it and enjoyed the series the way the director meant for people to enjoy it.
When it comes to me, I wish I liked it but I didn’t. I wish it would’ve been a little different but it wasn’t. I’d still like to know how it was received in Thailand.
All in all I liked the acting and the character of Jung Woo but the plot and the dialogues were incorrigible. What kind of conflict was that even? Can somebody help me out?
What the heck was Laura’s problem? And why did she have to go in such a roundabout way about it?
Btw, I’m not even gonna touch Jung Woo because that’s a completely different suitcase which I’m gonna throw overboard, unpacked.
Anyway, this drama felt more like a food photography book instead of a storytelling medium. It was beautiful but a little out of place as it ended up taking too much of the screen time.
The actors seemed to be capable as well but the strange directing choices worked against them. I’m still baffled by the discrepancy between the beautiful visual style and camera work of this drama and the actors’ awkward and stilted line deliveries and movements.
There was so much potential for interesting conflicts but literally nothing happened for the first 9 episodes. The romance was almost non-existent and the potentially interesting plot points regarding all the different chefs and the competition were completely ignored. Then everything got neatly resolved in one episode. It was almost funny how things got resolved when they didn’t even have time to properly amount to anything first.
At this point the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It’s like the whole series is in slow-mo
Yes, especially in He’s Coming To Me the uncle apologized, opened some fond or something and everything is all and well. Same with Lhong, his punishment seems to be that he’s sad and regrets it.
I remember Lhong didn’t go to prison so I guess everything did work out for him lol
But I gotta finish what I start, which means still 9 episodes to go. Goddammit.
I was at least hoping for good Leon/Pob ending but I guess not.