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You're implying that a show made in Thailand MUST be made FOR YOU in another country, and to fit YOUR critique. I don't need any luck to tell you that "its not made for you". You're just delusional of your self-importance.
Money is important, whether international or local. However, producers made their products and whoever want those products will buy them. They are not required to make a product that fit the need of every single people on this planet. That's how products in the market varies in types, forms, applications. And if a brand of products, such smartphones, laptops or cars, wasn't distributed in your territory or not to your liking, then it's not for you. Your money be damned. This show uses 16 year-old actor; if it's illegal for you to watch, as you claimed, then this show - this product is not for you. It's for other people, such as a "gay man that watches international queer content" like me.
With your last paragraph, it shows that because you don't like it so you're trying to prevent others from liking it too.
He is pretty young to understand those things I think on the other hand August is a seasoned actor... Mac is doing…
You made the mistake of thinking this show was made for you to watch. It is not. Your self-entitled attitude was clearly showed in your post.
The show makers in Thailand don't need to pamper your need and your decree of "its gonna be 18+ in BL here on out", just like they don't need to pamper Chinese government's need to outlaw all BL content. Releasing for"global audience" doesn't mean the show makers must abide by every single country and every people in the world; otherwise no BL is allowed to be made, because China and Southwest Asia countries already forbade it.
This series is legal in many other countries in the world, including America, Europe, East Asia; that's already enough to make up "international". There are also shows in US and UK using 16 year-old actors for (hetero) romantic relationship; it isn't the first and won't be the last time this happen, not just in Thailand, not just in US. Your issue is not the issue of the people there.
As I have said, if it's illegal in your place, "then you don't need to watch it". It's not for you.
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Then you don't need to watch it. Just like your approved 18 year-old-actors shows would be illegal in countries where age of consent is 21 or marriage is the mandatory. This show was created in Thailand, not your country.
My post was to answer to the question "And its not illegal in thailand to have this 15 years old have a kissing scene?". What issue do you have with me answering a question?
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It's legal. The actor's age is 16, and with the age of consent in Thai being 15, the 15 year-olds there can do much more than just kissing. Also, not just in Thailand, a wide range of countries in the world have age of consent of 16 and below, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
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Right in the first sentence in the link you post: "Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to PREPUBESCENT children."
And right in your quote: "The DSM-5 requires that a person must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the PREPUBESCENT child or children they are aroused by, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilic disorder."
You are a lost cause, truly lack the reading comprehension ability.
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You talked about consent with figure of authority. You DO NOT quote the full sentence "a person aged over 16 can validly consent to sex with any other person, except someone who is in in a position of authority over them". You only talk about the part behind the "except", but do not quote the part before it that target those we have been speaking about: the 16. You quoted the 3 sentences behind it, and intentionally leave out the first sentence that really matter.
And again, you still NOT PRESENT THE SOURCE of the sentences you quote. You don't dare to do it, because you quoted from laws of a state in Australia despite talking about US previously. Not only you attempt to use a western country's rules to apply and judge a situation in an eastern country, you also quote the laws that do not belong to that western country. And I don't bother with the shit you said about 12-16, as I have explained it already. You clearly do not know the laws or have the reading capability to understand it.
You use wrong laws to judge the things my country allowed me to do and even then, the definition of "pedophilia" is the attraction to prepubescent which is age range of 9 to 12, NOT 16. You don't even understand the name you use for name calling.
"Why are you trying to meet minors at the park." - THIS have proved that you are truly mentally incapable, too foolish to even comprehend that people of all ages can go to a park to relax and exercise, and a 16 year-old can meet a 30 year-old there by chance, just as they all can be in a store or any public places.
All of the above have proved that you are truly lack a logical mind and incapable of critical thinking. The only thing you're capable of is throwing incriminating word despite not even understand what that word means.
Talking to a case of mental incapacity is a foolish errand on my part, and I will fix it by stopping here.
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"I did quote that" - your empty word. I can also lie that I quote from a source that I'm the next US president. "I did quote that" has no credibility. You still not present the source of your claim.
"And said so I don't know how to can even find a 16 year old to without being in authority over them" - 16 can meet strangers in a park, clerks in store. 16 year-olds are not locked in a cell.
And it still stand that those laws you quote is not about the 16.
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"Just look up 'age of consent'." No. It's you wrote it, then it's you who must prove the source. It's not my place to prove your credibility when you can lie and pull those sentences out of your ass.
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The first law means that those who are BELOW age of consent can still have sex, but only with people within 2 years range. That's why those of 12 year-old was mentioned in that clause. It states "16 can validly consent" in that case, it doesn't state that 16 cannot validly consent in other case. The context in that sentence is those below consent age. Learn to read.
Also, you didn't quote the first sentence: "a person aged over 16 can validly consent to sex with any other person, except someone who is in in a position of authority over them". Don't foolishly argue with "over 16" please. That expression means one have passed their 16th birthday.
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"A person who is aged between 12 and 16 can validly consent to sexual activity with a person who is not more than two years older than them." => This is for those BELOW 16.
"Persons aged 18 or older can validly consent to sex with a person who is in a position of authority over them. In this context, the age of consent is 18." => "In the context" with person who is in a position of authority over them. Outside of that context, "age of consent is 18" is no longer apply. You don't understand that, do you?
"A person aged less than 12 cannot consent to sex with any other person." => Again, for BELOW 16.
None of what you said is for the 16 year-olds, the topic of the talk here. You further prove that you're incapable of logical reasoning.
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Running out of logical reasoning and resorting to brainless, baseless name calling, don't you? Your true color and your true intention from the beginning have showed: to impose your attitude of "my way or no way".
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Your standard of dating range are not written in official document, only a unwritten rule in your own head. You don't want to use the thing that matter, the thing used to decide whether or not something is sex crime or pedophile when it's ultimately need to be decided, you use opinions - full of hot air.
You use "western" in the sense of general while it's just America - a single country - you're talking about, and still fact shows that the current official written view of the majority of America doesn't align with you. "They would have agree with me" is only your empty words, an assumption made on the opinions of over 300 millions American; the same as you can declare that you're the next US president. BASELESS and SELF-ENTITLED, that is the essence of all of your claim.
"It's because of your culture other than that it is WRONG." - To imply that the others are morally wrong for not following your view, it shows that you're a snob with an entitled moral superiority attitude.
And most importantly, you're on the WRONG SIDE OF THE WORLD. WRONG PLACE.
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You posted: "I'm arguing from an Western perspective and your arguing from a completely different side of the world." "I'm not saying your wrong but simply like I said earlier this isn't your culture so you can't have a say here." I replied: "This show here is from Thailand, a South-east Asia country and you used Western custom to judge?"
You posted: "I'm sure western people would have agreed by now that a 30 year old man dating minors is pedophilia and a predator." I replied: "Not to mention that "Western perspective" also have age of consent of 16 and below. "over half of US, North and South America, Europe" - are they not western?"
You apply western perspective to the wrong side of the world, and you don't even use the western perspective as you claim.
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This show here is from Thailand, a South-east Asia country and you used Western custom to judge? Not to mention that "Western perspective" also have age of consent of 16 and below. "over half of US, North and South America, Europe" - are they not western?
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"getting arranged married" - Such a bold assumption on your part. Arranged married is actually not allowed in my country. Both parties must consent on their own in the relationship. And the people in the show we're talking about here are living in a country where age of consent is 15.
America, huh? That is a country where 19 out of 50 states have age of consent in range of 17-18, and the rest of the states allow 16 to sexual act with those of 16 and above.
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For your added content in your edited post, there are 16 in my country dating 30, and they are legal and allowed to build family together. That is real life. You have no right to discriminating those people for doing what the laws allow them to do. Different country, different culture. Deal with it.
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You go and learn what is age of consent before spitting nonsense.
The "many more other people who see them as grown ups" are those that I have listed: "The majority of the world, which consist of over half of US, North and South America, Europe, North and East and South-east Asia, Australia". Where are you from, again?
"If you 30 go date adults. If your 16 date 15-18." - This is purely YOUR TAKE, not the society, not the government when they put down the age of consent. A talk on Reddit is your source of information, your proof of society? Opposing to the wide range of countries I have mentioned? "Having the ability to quit academic school to pick up job training to start pursue a career is no where close to getting pregnant with a 30 year old's baby." - Are you implying getting pregnant with a 30 year-old is worse than getting pregnant with a 18 year-old? That is ageism there - the prejudice and discrimination based on age.
You have prove that you demand me and others must live as you dictated with your own personally idea of "dating in their age range", disregarding people's right to live freely under what the laws allow them to do. You have showed that you know not of what is the laws, what is being lawful, what is free will. You know only of your narrow-minded view.
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What is your right to say that I'm a predator, pedophile and a freak? Because YOU say it's must be 18 and when I disagree with you then I must be all of the above?
Here is the fact: The majority of the world, which consist of over half of US, North and South America, Europe, North and East and South-east Asia, Australia all have age of consent of 16 or below, same as mine. And the 16 in my country in allowed to quit academic school to pick up job-training to start pursue a career, if they want. And some countries, such as US, allow 16 year-old to drive cars and entrust them with the ability and responsibility to control the lives of people in front of their wheels.
You may think that the 16 are useless and delicate little snowflakes, but many more other people see them as grown up and capable, both mentally and physically. While there are also others who would deem your idea of 18 year old as perverse and the minimun age must be 21, and there are others who demand it must be 25, and others who insist it need a marriage first. Yours is only one among many different perspectives. It doesn't give you the right to act high and mighty and call me names. Especially when yours is among the minority in this matter. And you may not even know the laws of your own country. I have listed the area where 16 is legal and approved, where are you from?
I don't need any luck to tell you that "its not made for you". You're just delusional of your self-importance.
Money is important, whether international or local. However, producers made their products and whoever want those products will buy them. They are not required to make a product that fit the need of every single people on this planet. That's how products in the market varies in types, forms, applications. And if a brand of products, such smartphones, laptops or cars, wasn't distributed in your territory or not to your liking, then it's not for you. Your money be damned.
This show uses 16 year-old actor; if it's illegal for you to watch, as you claimed, then this show - this product is not for you.
It's for other people, such as a "gay man that watches international queer content" like me.
With your last paragraph, it shows that because you don't like it so you're trying to prevent others from liking it too.
Your self-entitled attitude was clearly showed in your post.
The show makers in Thailand don't need to pamper your need and your decree of "its gonna be 18+ in BL here on out", just like they don't need to pamper Chinese government's need to outlaw all BL content. Releasing for"global audience" doesn't mean the show makers must abide by every single country and every people in the world; otherwise no BL is allowed to be made, because China and Southwest Asia countries already forbade it.
This series is legal in many other countries in the world, including America, Europe, East Asia; that's already enough to make up "international". There are also shows in US and UK using 16 year-old actors for (hetero) romantic relationship; it isn't the first and won't be the last time this happen, not just in Thailand, not just in US.
Your issue is not the issue of the people there.
As I have said, if it's illegal in your place, "then you don't need to watch it".
It's not for you.
This show was created in Thailand, not your country.
My post was to answer to the question "And its not illegal in thailand to have this 15 years old have a kissing scene?".
What issue do you have with me answering a question?
Also, not just in Thailand, a wide range of countries in the world have age of consent of 16 and below, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
And right in your quote:
"The DSM-5 requires that a person must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the PREPUBESCENT child or children they are aroused by, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilic disorder."
You are a lost cause, truly lack the reading comprehension ability.
You DO NOT quote the full sentence "a person aged over 16 can validly consent to sex with any other person, except someone who is in in a position of authority over them". You only talk about the part behind the "except", but do not quote the part before it that target those we have been speaking about: the 16.
You quoted the 3 sentences behind it, and intentionally leave out the first sentence that really matter.
And again, you still NOT PRESENT THE SOURCE of the sentences you quote.
You don't dare to do it, because you quoted from laws of a state in Australia despite talking about US previously.
Not only you attempt to use a western country's rules to apply and judge a situation in an eastern country, you also quote the laws that do not belong to that western country.
And I don't bother with the shit you said about 12-16, as I have explained it already. You clearly do not know the laws or have the reading capability to understand it.
You use wrong laws to judge the things my country allowed me to do and even then, the definition of "pedophilia" is the attraction to prepubescent which is age range of 9 to 12, NOT 16.
You don't even understand the name you use for name calling.
"Why are you trying to meet minors at the park." - THIS have proved that you are truly mentally incapable, too foolish to even comprehend that people of all ages can go to a park to relax and exercise, and a 16 year-old can meet a 30 year-old there by chance, just as they all can be in a store or any public places.
All of the above have proved that you are truly lack a logical mind and incapable of critical thinking.
The only thing you're capable of is throwing incriminating word despite not even understand what that word means.
Talking to a case of mental incapacity is a foolish errand on my part, and I will fix it by stopping here.
You still not present the source of your claim.
"And said so I don't know how to can even find a 16 year old to without being in authority over them" - 16 can meet strangers in a park, clerks in store. 16 year-olds are not locked in a cell.
And it still stand that those laws you quote is not about the 16.
No. It's you wrote it, then it's you who must prove the source.
It's not my place to prove your credibility when you can lie and pull those sentences out of your ass.
It states "16 can validly consent" in that case, it doesn't state that 16 cannot validly consent in other case. The context in that sentence is those below consent age.
Learn to read.
Also, you didn't quote the first sentence: "a person aged over 16 can validly consent to sex with any other person, except someone who is in in a position of authority over them".
Don't foolishly argue with "over 16" please. That expression means one have passed their 16th birthday.
Where is the first laws from? I want the credibility of your statement.
=> This is for those BELOW 16.
"Persons aged 18 or older can validly consent to sex with a person who is in a position of authority over them. In this context, the age of consent is 18."
=> "In the context" with person who is in a position of authority over them. Outside of that context, "age of consent is 18" is no longer apply. You don't understand that, do you?
"A person aged less than 12 cannot consent to sex with any other person."
=> Again, for BELOW 16.
None of what you said is for the 16 year-olds, the topic of the talk here.
You further prove that you're incapable of logical reasoning.
Your true color and your true intention from the beginning have showed: to impose your attitude of "my way or no way".
You don't want to use the thing that matter, the thing used to decide whether or not something is sex crime or pedophile when it's ultimately need to be decided, you use opinions - full of hot air.
You use "western" in the sense of general while it's just America - a single country - you're talking about, and still fact shows that the current official written view of the majority of America doesn't align with you. "They would have agree with me" is only your empty words, an assumption made on the opinions of over 300 millions American; the same as you can declare that you're the next US president.
BASELESS and SELF-ENTITLED, that is the essence of all of your claim.
"It's because of your culture other than that it is WRONG." - To imply that the others are morally wrong for not following your view, it shows that you're a snob with an entitled moral superiority attitude.
And most importantly, you're on the WRONG SIDE OF THE WORLD.
WRONG PLACE.
"I'm arguing from an Western perspective and your arguing from a completely different side of the world."
"I'm not saying your wrong but simply like I said earlier this isn't your culture so you can't have a say here."
I replied:
"This show here is from Thailand, a South-east Asia country and you used Western custom to judge?"
You posted:
"I'm sure western people would have agreed by now that a 30 year old man dating minors is pedophilia and a predator."
I replied:
"Not to mention that "Western perspective" also have age of consent of 16 and below. "over half of US, North and South America, Europe" - are they not western?"
You apply western perspective to the wrong side of the world, and you don't even use the western perspective as you claim.
Not to mention that "Western perspective" also have age of consent of 16 and below. "over half of US, North and South America, Europe" - are they not western?
And the people in the show we're talking about here are living in a country where age of consent is 15.
America, huh? That is a country where 19 out of 50 states have age of consent in range of 17-18, and the rest of the states allow 16 to sexual act with those of 16 and above.
That is real life.
You have no right to discriminating those people for doing what the laws allow them to do.
Different country, different culture. Deal with it.
The "many more other people who see them as grown ups" are those that I have listed: "The majority of the world, which consist of over half of US, North and South America, Europe, North and East and South-east Asia, Australia". Where are you from, again?
"If you 30 go date adults. If your 16 date 15-18." - This is purely YOUR TAKE, not the society, not the government when they put down the age of consent. A talk on Reddit is your source of information, your proof of society? Opposing to the wide range of countries I have mentioned?
"Having the ability to quit academic school to pick up job training to start pursue a career is no where close to getting pregnant with a 30 year old's baby." - Are you implying getting pregnant with a 30 year-old is worse than getting pregnant with a 18 year-old? That is ageism there - the prejudice and discrimination based on age.
You have prove that you demand me and others must live as you dictated with your own personally idea of "dating in their age range", disregarding people's right to live freely under what the laws allow them to do.
You have showed that you know not of what is the laws, what is being lawful, what is free will. You know only of your narrow-minded view.
Because YOU say it's must be 18 and when I disagree with you then I must be all of the above?
Here is the fact: The majority of the world, which consist of over half of US, North and South America, Europe, North and East and South-east Asia, Australia all have age of consent of 16 or below, same as mine. And the 16 in my country in allowed to quit academic school to pick up job-training to start pursue a career, if they want. And some countries, such as US, allow 16 year-old to drive cars and entrust them with the ability and responsibility to control the lives of people in front of their wheels.
You may think that the 16 are useless and delicate little snowflakes, but many more other people see them as grown up and capable, both mentally and physically. While there are also others who would deem your idea of 18 year old as perverse and the minimun age must be 21, and there are others who demand it must be 25, and others who insist it need a marriage first.
Yours is only one among many different perspectives. It doesn't give you the right to act high and mighty and call me names. Especially when yours is among the minority in this matter.
And you may not even know the laws of your own country. I have listed the area where 16 is legal and approved, where are you from?