Jessica Brown

I mean, people's preferences are their preferences. I think thinking something is wrong with Brothers is less understandable, but I still understand as they are gonna be brothers from that point.

However, in HIStory 4 the brothers are a good amount of age apart. They are 8 or 9 years apart. So when the older was 18 or 19 his little brother was 10. I understand the people who do not like this even more so. I don't let it affect me though.

I feel like it is hard to say people's morals are wrong even though factually both couples are not biologically related.

And this is so uncalled for.. But just out of curiosity. I looked up the incest laws in my state Georgia, USA and.. This is what is defined as incest:

"Father and child or stepchild
Mother and child or stepchild;
Siblings of the whole blood or of the half blood;
Grandparent and grandchild of the whole blood or of the half blood;
Aunt and niece or nephew of the whole blood or of the half blood; or
Uncle and niece or nephew of the whole blood or of the half blood. "

I had no idea that parent and stepchild is incest. Lol. Hahahah. What the heck. I do not need to know this. I guess parent and stepchild is incest because it is likely that the parent did something wrong to the child and that way they can be charged with a higher crime.

Hahahahah. We've never had a show where every person is gay, but we've come close with Make It Right (i think - my memory fails me), Thank God It's Friday, and I'm sure many others. I just love shows where everyone is gay and it is not even a question. I know many come close.

The thing about even if it is incest.. I don't know about that statement.. I have always been like "Okay. Whatever" with step-brother plots because I just want a BL story. I think those types of relationships are really different in every situation. I am not so petty to get into the details. But actual incest definitely makes me want to throw up. I get what you're saying about blanket statements though.. I dunno. I think incest is a touchy topic, and no matter how you look at it relationships between step-siblings can make family functions and whatnot a little messy (especially if the relationships don't work out..). However at the end of the day, it's all consenting adults (i mean i guess in Addicted they were minors so they can't consent.. lol). I guess anything, even real incest, goes.. I guess. I mean. Just please do not make a romcom about it.

And maybe because incest is more of a societal norm where as wrongs against the gay community are more like a learning experience because we're not raised taught what they or that those things are wrong. People in the BL community should know better though... Maybe the longer we go, the better we'll get? Who knows.

I also just watched Lovely Writer, and I will probably be watching this show till the end... ((:

Teen awkwardness. Hahahah.

I totally get your point on You Make Me Dance. I did not see or think some of those things. I am not sure if the mom is dead or not, but her trying to split the two up does make sense. I still think the living together thing was too far-fetched, but I guess some things I did not pick up on. I do not know whether to contribute that to the writing or the limited time allotted to develop the plot. Or maybe it's my fault.

As far as HIStory 4 goes, I think I saw your comment about the two completely contrasting stories of the brothers and then Mu Ren and Li Cheng. Personally, it doesn't bother me because I just adore step-brothers plots because it just gives me HIStory: Stay Away From Me and then HIStory 2: Crossing The Line vibes. The stories do not inter-mix though at all. How do we forgive that guy for punching Mu Ren?! And how do we forgive Gene for going off on Nubsib?!

My favorite part about the Lovely Writer plot is that in episode 4 they play off on the whole Nubsib completely understands everything about Gene and is like "I just get Gene. I know what he means." I find it kind of endearing, but it is problematic because it gives Gene the excuse to act like an absolute A-hole and Nubsib will always forgive him.

Bad for you... good for me. Hahhahahah. It's problematic, but it's a level of chaos that I enjoy. New episode today yay!!!

As for the people hating on Brothers, I just think because it's generic and some people are tired of seeing the standard BL plot and all its tropes, but I am never tired of engineering and pink milk! Brothers doesn't have engineering and pink milk (one reason is because they're in high school, but you get what I'm saying).

Historical BL is cool, but I am definitely looking for the day that these shows get longer..

I really don't think people are complaining about it not following the formula.. I just think that the story is completely incoherent in a way that makes it hard to really fall for this drama. I could list many ways and many of which have already been discussed that make this show seem very off.

And sorry this is gonna be long because I can think of MANY reasons I can explain in detail.

I also do not think that the acting and production quality were that high. I agree with a recent comment saying that the dancing was really halfed. They never showed the full choreographies. The main actor tended to repeat the same moves over and over in every instance of dancing, and the very end where the dance he showed was supposed to be some big moment between the two characters, we didn't see the whole choreography.. if this series had high production maybe not quality but value, they could have hired a dancer or choreographer. But they did do the best they could without one, so I see how this could be argued for good quality.

First, the premise of the show is unique. There's a debtor and a collector. This isn't a common storyline. However, the jump to the guy living in his house makes no sense. The writer came up with an absurd way to make it happen. The guy wants to quit and is doing one last case (which he is getting paid full-time for no matter how long it takes?!) that allows him to stalk the main character. It does not feel romantic because this is a real loan shark. I also do not know why the MC didn't make more of an effort to get this loan shark out of his house or why the loan shark wanted to stay in his house. This for me was a big jump in the storyline that was incoherent.

Next, the beginning of the show spends a great deal of time on his mom, but we never get to know what happens to his mom. His mom is just used as plot development. The MC goes from dancing for his mom to dancing for the loan shark. I really think they just threw in this mom story for that little cheesy feeling.. "ohhhh he's dancing for him. aww. he makes him dance. omg i get the title now..." After that, the story of the mom is thrown away. We don't know if she's dead or is she's really in Sweden living her life. Even if she was, not a phone call?! She changed her number too.. What a horrible mother.

Continuing. One way they developed the plot that I found to be good was the radio podcast. I thought this was very unique and I had not seen something like this before. I will not comment on that weird rival thing. I felt that story was not fully developed as well, but it was not that bad so I will let it slide. I get the time was crunched so they could not show all of the rival's feelings or his point of view. For other plot points that I have explained and another one I will say after this, I feel like them not being fully developed/explained rather takes away from the show because they were significant to the plotline. The rival sidestory is just what it is.

The next thing I will bring up is the ending. I get that the collector and debtor fall in love because for some reason the collector is living in the guy's house (!), and I do like the fact they justified the collector taking care of him because he signed to be the surety. I think this part of the plot is well done. And why it's far-fetched, I can accept this as a "fairy-tale" plot unlike what I'm going to discuss.. the ending [oh stop getting side-tracked Jessica].

The only way the collector could get his boss (who is apparently in love with him -- this plot point is weird as well) to allow him to extend the MC's deadline was to agree to participate in a new business excursion to Vietnam..? I just have so many things to say about this. You say this show doesn't follow the formula. Well, I think this is the show's attempt at trying to follow classic BL or just romance storylines. One has to go away so they can't be together is one of the laziest ways to develop the plot. I remember the first time I was so pained by this plotline was when watching WaterBoyy.. ohhhh the pain.

Let's not lie to ourselves, this plot point makes no sense and kind of dampers for me the already rushed ending. So I don't know how this helps the boss that's in love with him. She's sending him away.. (why?). In addition, when the loan shark sleeps with the MC and wakes up the next morning to leave him.. ugh. What happens later is he is driving in the car and the MC comes on that radio podcast, and just like that the loan shark makes the decision (f***k what my boss says, i am going to be with him anyways). Why couldn't he have made that decision before he packed his luggage? If his boss was so serious about sending her employee to Vietnam (of all places), why did she let him off so easily? You see, this seems like fake drama to me. The writer couldn't think of how to make a dramatic, climatic ending so they decided to go with a poorly thought-out trope of Vietnam and going away.

And then the loan shark runs back to him and every thing is okay and they tie the barre back together and then kiss and YAYY!! SO HAPPY (hahahahah). You broke into my house and left me this morning telling me that the only reason you did all the romantic stuff with me was because it's your job but it's okay now.. you don't have to explain anything (hahah). *roll ending credits*

I get that the plotlines were woven throughout the show. His mom is dead, so he can dance for the loan shark. He has a rival so that the rival can try to sabotage him and we get sexy pictures of the loan shark (i really think this was the purpose.. lol). They both listen to the same podcast so they can do that little I'm Coming Home number. The loan shark signs the surety so he has an excuse to be a stalker. The boss makes him go to Vietnam so we can still have the I'm Coming Home number. And the boss loves him so she lets him go... and she has the leniency for this whole fiasco to go down, right?

So. I get the sequence of events in the show were thought-out (which honestly is a low bar to have for show, that is the bare minimum). However, not coherent. Why? Because it makes no logic sense (that's my coined phrase btw). They interconnected multiple illogical, far-fetched events to attempt a coherent story. It just cannot be called a coherent story when I am constantly asking myself "What the heck?" while watching. There is such thing as a fairy-tale story, but the events have to at least be logical in a fairly-tale way. I don't think these events are logical in any world.

I do agree with you that the show shouldn't be any longer because I don't think the writer would know how to develop the plot points better based on this writing (hahah). I think this length is probably the best. It did what it sought out to do.

And with that being said, I did compliment this show on many points throughout my absolute destruction of the plot. I think what other people like, good for them! I really enjoy Lovely Writer, HIStory 4: Close To You, and Brothers right now which are all getting a lot of hate and trash. I even trashed Lovely Writer when I love the series (hahahah).

I can see how someone can overlook these plot points because the story meets the bare minimum of the events going together.. maybe they don't go together well, but they go together. I personally missed the chemistry of the main characters, but I still do just like to see gay things. So I will always sit all the way through gay things when they are this short. It is another gay thing, and gay things are good. So kudos to South Korea. More gay things please, but I would like them if they were a little better.

The best thing I've watched so far was Method and that didn't even have a happy ending, so starting from now, my bar for Korean BL has reached an all time low.

I also spent way too much time writing this and should have probably been reading my textbook... oHHH wEllll

I really think you should keep watching. I didn't particularly enjoy the first episode either, but the show starts moving afterwards. Although, you may be one of the people who continue disliking the show. The next episodes to me are distinctly different from the first one nonetheless. Continue to see if you like it or not. I think only part of one episode is not enough. I enjoy it.. something about it man.

Yeah you are right. This show takes places in 100% BL fantasy world. We should suspend all logic while watching.

Hahahah. Love your comment. Read them to filth.

I think this is good but like others say it is nothing special about it. I am not sure why it has an 8 rating but that's just me.

I hope SK keeps doing more stuff because I will be watching. Most of what SK has put out so far though has been sub par.

Mmmm. Given the fact that Yongjie is about to turn 20 means he has only been legal for 2 years. XingSi said he realized he was gay in highschool or college (don't rememner).. He is 28 so his little brother was very young at that time. I do not think that's it.

You can say that again.

Really though. With the opening with him talking about how he realized he liked men and being in the know with all the BL talk, you'd really think he'd be more aware than this. Hahahah.

I love the confused and hesitant gay men. That "I like girls" really wasn't convincing Mu Ren. I love the show!

I'm right with you. I pretend that one don't exist. Lol.

I don't know how many people like Stay Away From Me, but that one and Crossing the Line are my personal favorites.

Oh! I had forgotten that MODC was written by someone else and it is the same woman as this one. I really understand your concern then. Maybe this will turn out a mess. Lol. Maybe in a good way though? Fingers crossed.

This show is really so good for me. At first it was kind of hard to get through, but then I got hooked at episode 3-4ish and now I'm all caught up. I can say that the newest episode (7) though when Chol's father had a heart attack (or failure?) really sent me for a loop. I was shook shook, and then they resolved it so easily.. Like lol.. Okay.

Anyways, I really enjoy these lower budget Thai series. This show has its own charm, and I love the slow-moving G-rated romance. The show is 15+, but I haven't really seen much for it to even need that rating. Haahahah. Maybe two guys having their faces close together is too spicy for 14 year-olds. Not sure.

Can't wait for season 2. RamKing is such a legendary couple for me that will forever be in my heart. Too bad they don't have their own show!

This is not written by Lin Pei Yu. It has a different writer. I think MODC is just a rare disaster. Lol. But I think this show will have a slow-burning romance and that's how it will last so long because Cheng Li has to keep going after Mei Fang for a while and then he has to get over the rejection and whatnot. The step-brother plot also has a potential to go somewhere because that breaking-in thing is crazy! Maybe they will have lots of fighting and disagreements at first. I think you are right that they may have to add some other type of plot or it may have some fillers.. but I don't know. I think it will work out. We will see though!

Also with what you said of 1 and 2. I love those as well, but for me 1 is way too short (not as in the story doesn't work but I like longer series). As for 2 it is longer, but I think it's the length it is because of budget. As the HIStory series continues it gets longer just because they have more money. Mini series are typically done by smaller studios and amateurs, you know? Since Thailand can make some decent series that are this long (and some much longer), I don't see why HIStory cannot do it as well.