MaintainingMama

Binged it. It was okay. Pleasantly surprised by the sex scene and even the kisses. Japanese BLs go from zero affection, maybe a hug and definitely a falling into the arms stunt or basically porn. Never am in between. So this was a refreshing change.

It started off super cheesy, but I am somehow invested.

well done explanation! So many just saw it as an excuse to shiw guys having sex and didn't pay attention to the story behind the story. I couldn't agree more with your take on this. I find it fascinating that in the end, it was 'South Korea', ie greed, capitalism that killed him.

What does that even mean?

My heart weeps for Uea. I PRAY they introduce a therapist, cause this kind of abuse is going to take a lifetime of therapy. He will NEVER be sucessful in a relationship with anyone, even King until he does. Man, as good as this series is (I am enjoying it for the most part) the abuse from literally everyone in his life is too much. Man!

While nothing is clear, like at all, with the subs being better, it was watchable. I am back engaged. It helps that Ken has chemistry with Din and Mr. Lue. Otherwise I would not be invested. Phayu and Hin are meh at this point. I ain't buying their relationship, even with the nice addition of butt grabbing. (Something that should be added to all series, as its usually the first place one grabs when one is being affectionate/frisky)
I am mostly invested as I am waiting to see what the heck this show is supposed to be about.
Although, I think that dude with the slashed eye is responsible for killing Din. Nok and them dudes on the side of the road were his underlings back in the day, and as long as Ken stayed gone, they weren't endanger of being caught. Now that Ken is back and he can ID his people, slashed eye dude has to get rid to everybody who can be ID'd. I am pretty sure Nok is unaware he is probably on the list...

Yess!!! I have been saying this for both seasons! I never found them toxic just imperfect people who fell in love and were figuring it out. Like most people. The truly only toxic relationships are those who refuse to change, are both unhappy and stay together out of some petty, crazy reason.

Throw the whole rating system away. The fact that this is rated the same as ITSAY is NUTS!!! While it wasn't the worst series I have seen (still goes to Bite Me), there was literally zero chemistry between either leads. I didn't believe anyone with all that confessing going on. I love Perth and Chimmon individually. But this ship is NOT it. They look like bros hanging out. They look like they make the best buddy team, but they have zero chemistry. I didn't believe Phuwin/Nueng, when he was crying after Pond/Palm got shot. Not a tear to be seen. Phuwin desperately needs to take several crying workshops. Maybe the great Gun Atp can run it, cause yeesh! Everybody took turns overacting and then underacting. Normally I love Perth, but again, he overacted so badly in that hospital scene. Poor Pond being shook to death by Phuwin to demonstrate the despair that would show up on his face. Sigh...
Where did Palm's father go? Why didn't he come back? He abandoned his teenage son the handle to guy who killed at least 2 people and seriously injured another!?!?! Then when that son is shot and injured badly enough to be paralyzed, he is still a no show, even when that means that the family he held above his actual son had to take care of them?!?! Someone make it make sense. The blantant box undered the pants legs...like who edited this? Then to have Palm leave for only 3 months and there is zero resolution on him leaving 'for his own good'. Just 'don't do it again!' Huh?!? What exactly is Nueng going to do? Help run his families company, help run Palm's bar or go study music abroad. All while haven't yet graduated high school. HUH!?! And its rated WHAT!?!
Well I guess that ends the rant. I cannot fathom how the score for this is even close to ITSAY or Not Me. Ludicrous! Higher than KinnPorsche!?!? Huh!? WTF!

This wasn't nearly as bad as it could be for the low budget and newbie actors and the horrible subs with poor writing. 🤣 I still need to know what happens with Matteo and Shogun, BurgerKing and even the brothers cause they finally said concretely in the preview for the next season, that they are stepbrothers. Something that should have been said repeatedly during the show just to drive the point home that they are not blood related. Mostly I need morr BurgerKing, who at first because of their baby faces was the pairing I wanted nothing to do with. I like that show is talking about things that get ignored when it comes to teenagers and sex/relagionships.
1) that teenagers are gonna have sex and its likely not going to be in safe places with condoms tucked in draws for easy access.
2) that sex is a huge responsiblity and you shouldn't partake until you are both mentally and physically ready as well as ready to deal with the consequences.
3) Nothing is black and white. That teacher is equal parts evil and good. Mostly she pisses me off, but as an older person, I get her frustration with all the shenanigans. She needs a better way of dealing with it than being a bitch though.
Yes its all over the place and the editing is crap, but it has just enough good stuff to keep me intrigued, so I will tune into next season.

Oh I have never been so sad for a show to be over. This deserves the popularity that 2gether got and more! Gemini amd Fourth need to surpass BrightWinnin popularity and fame. I said what I said. Don't get me wrong, I loved 2gether and as one of the gateways into BLs, it was amazing. But that show benefitted greatly from the pandemic. MSP was a better story, was better acted and had better singing by the leads. I was so nervous for Gemini and Fourth's kiss cause a GMMTV kiss can be hit or miss and is usually miss. But it was great. I even liked Win and Sound's kiss even though I never bought into them as a couple in the series. I cannot wait for Our Skyy for MSP.

Khaotung's acting was top notch as always. That last whispered, Let's eat was soooo very painful to hear and see. I felt ever piece of his pain.
One thing about this show, nobody can take a clue. Alan couldn't get that Wen had moved on and the breakup was ifficial, Gaipa ignored the million times Uncle Jim was rejecting him. And even Wen needs to back off and let Jim miss him a little bit. Although Mix is killing it with the sexy, sultry flirting. That scene by the boats was great acting wise, but I need Wen to stop throwing himself at Uncle Jim, all these rejections are giving second hand embarassment.

Oh thats right!! I forgot! Thanks!

Sound problems from last week, except for Earth's sighing were fixed, at least I didn't notice them. Mix and First, Gemini and Fourth are killing it. Both scenes with First and Mix were brilliantly written, acted, directed. This stepped away from 'boys love' and just became a very complicated depiction of when love leaves a relationship. Then came Gemini and Fourth bringing us back to BL with that lovely coming of age, new love, first love scene by the sign. Then they showed us they are going to be an entire problem in future series with top tier acting. I often dislike when non (fill in any disability) portrays someone with a disability. It cannot be helped sometimes and because this is primarily a show case of Gem and Fourth's acting, I get why they went in this direction. This could have been portrayed sooo badly by Gem, a newbie actor. I honestly think it would have been awful outside of any other director than Aof. But Gem's commitment to portraying someone deaf is amazing. It was so visible on his face the frustration of everyone talking around him, about him but not including him, not like Li Ming was. Gah, and then tears. Simply not enough can be said about their acting abilities.
I am not sure if I am frustrated by Uncle Jim or Earth's portrayal of him, but his repeatedly telling Li Ming to stop, and pulling his arm felt off to me. His sighing in frustration but never really saying anything but then also looking surprised and upset when whoever he is talking to calls him out on his BS. I simcerely cannot tell if he like Wen.
Which is why is was soooo fruatrating (literally the only thing that bothered me in the entire episode) when Wen showed up to Jim's house. I needed Wen to go live on his own, figure out what he wanted outside of Jim and then make that happen. His constant calling despite veing ignored was too much. And when Jim embraces him when he literally has ignored 50 + messages made no sense. Same with Jim going back to get the loan from the same bank, bank officer. Why would he go back, it made no sense.
This is definitely up there with ITSAY and Not Me for great acting and directing. And next week, we get a kiss!!

See this is why I think Hira maybe on the spectrum, because he says he doesn't understand why Kiyoi feels the way he does, even when it was kind of clear toward the end of Kiyoi's speech. But no, I blame them both. Kiyoi never asks how Hira feels. That is why Kiyoma pointed out that he was leeching off of Hira. He knows and loves that Hira obsesses over him, takes care of him. But in a healthy relationship, they should be taking care of each other. But not in a way that we want, but in a way THEY want and need. Case in point, when Kiyoi takes Hira shopping for clothes. Hira had zero desire for a new wardrobe, let alone the clothes Kiyoi forced him to pick. He never asks Hira what style he liked, he just dressed him as he saw fit. Hira went along, because he loves Kiyoi, and probably doesn't care as much about clothes, but he still never really had any say. Part of that is his fault for not advocating for himself. But Kiyoi takes some of the blame as well. Another example is the soup incident. Even though Kiyoi messed up and thought Hira shouldn't eat disgusting food, Hira was sooo happy Kiyoi did that for him, he didn't even notice it didn't taste like it should. Hira was genuinely hurt he didn't get to eat it. Kiyoi did not consider Hira's point of view and never does. They both need therapy to build empathy for one another and themselves.

Oh man this was so good. Hira is emotionally stunted (honestly he has to be on the spectrum), so he cannot deal with others emotions let alone his own. His absolute confusion on why Kiyoi would be mad at him not wanting to meet his family was so well done. He spent the whole episode warring with himself, vasilating between how wonderful Kiyoi is and how he doesn't desrve him to panicking at the thought of not being with him. Him trying to form himself into who he thinks Kiyoi wants and deserves but at the same time, you could tell he was on the verge of telling Kiyoi he didn't want to be a photographer. He was close to voicing his opinion, but Kiyoi interrupted him. No one ever asks what he wants. Even Kiyoma, who comes off as 'understanding' Hira, so why would Hira know. His parents gave him a camera, not because he liked taking pictures, or he asked for it but because THEY thought it would help him. Social emotional development happens by spending time with PEOPLE. How was Hira supposed to learn to 'people' if no one ever interacted with him? His speech problem isolated him from his parents amd his peers. It made it so that others treated him like he was lesser than. So of course he believed it. His own parents didn't/don't seem to have time for him.

So WHY on Earth would Hira believe that someone who looks like Kiyoi, is loved by EVERYONE and is on his way to actually being famous, like someone like him?! Its all so tragic and they are both acting so well in this. Kiyoi seems like the victim in all of this and I will admit this has to be so hard for him, who just wants to love and be loved. But as Kiyoma points out, he is selfish in many ways. He KNOWS Hira will kill himself to do whatever he wants. But does he take the time to understand what Hira wants? WHY he thinks like he does?
I truly wish this was regular length and not 4 episides because it could better explore all the complexcities of this amazing show and characters.

Man, this episode was bad. I rolled my eyes a million times watching this. I almost wonder if they filmed this episode first, because I truly feel like Pond and Phuwin had more chemistry in the first episode then they did in this one. Phuwin was kind of pulling his weight, acting wise, especially when he has to display anger, like in the scene where he realizes that Palm thought about killing his mom. He delivered that well...until it switched to him softening for Palm and their difficult situation. Then it was an awkward embrace and unbelievable lines of loves...Palm acted like he was with a buddy instead of someone he would literally die for. That dinner/dance scene was the most unromantic thing I have ever witnessed.

Acting wise the only ones delivering are Nat and Perth. Kit is a scary bad guy, his reasons/motives are as old as time, so therefore they make sense. That scene with Perth/Chopper was the best one in the episode.

Someone tell me if body guards means something different in Thailand then anywhere else, because literally no one is good at bodyguarding. Tanya should have at least 2 guards in front of her room alone. When Nueng is there, there should be a minium of 5 watching the doors/exit points. When Palm was taken by Kit's men, he had so many opportunities to put up a better fight than he did. The wash bucket alone should have been used before trying to escape. Just making a run for it when you are literally surrounded is an amature move. Its not something someone who is trained in fighting and is supposed to be a body guard does. Also, why was there literally no one watching Nueng while at dinner? Like not 1 extra guy? Palm doesn't go with just for shits and giggles?!? Sigh...I was so glad when it ended. I only want to see the end because I have a feeling its going to be Chopper to the rescue and that should hopefully make up for the turn tnos show has made for the worse.

Agreed. I had to lower my score after this episode.

Aww thank you!!

Hehe, yes, I second that begging ThaiBL Fan to sub this mess. I have never quit a show, even Physical Therapy or Lordt, Bite Me. So I will probably watch to the end, but man I thos gets vaguely better. Thanks for the Warp Effect comment. I figured I would get lots of push back but if I did they kept it to themselves, which is good! 🤣

No clue who I am routing for in the Shogun, Matteo, Ken mess. Matteo treats Shogun better overall, but I think Ken truly loves him. What I like about this sblhow in general is them showing how confusing the teenage years are and how most teens make it all worse by either trying to hide or by exposing others. This last episode was a perfect example of that. While I hate how Ken's current girlfriend is behaving, she is reacting lile a typical teenager. Exposing her boyfriend after finding out he wasn't faithful. I would bet money she was thebone who sent the clip about Prim too. She must have found it on Ken's phone at the same time she took the screen shots. She hates her, which is understandable, from a teens prospective. I meam heck, she is even discriminated against because of Prim (although full blame goes to the teacher who is the absolute worst)
I have nonidea what to think abou the brother storyline. Its freaking weird and while THANK GOD they sort of clarified they are step brothers or adoptive brothers (it was only clear they weren't related by blood), this whole storyline is just yuck. Less of this please.
I miss BurgerKing, the least problematic.