"... don't you guys find it ridiculous when, in every BL, every single man under the sun is gay and in a gay relationship?"Fiction…
"Maybe it's because I hyperfixate on the one couple in romance"
Your preference for a story that concentrates on one couple is understandable. At times, I share this preference. And I believe the addition of a straight "couple" raises valid concerns about the potential shifts in the storyline that you mentioned. Should the focus shift towards the straight "couple" in upcoming episodes, it'll misallocate time that could be better invested in the unfolding and growth of the gay couple’s narrative
"I just don't find it ..realistic?"
Realism in fiction deviates from reality for entertainment purposes. For example, beauty standards are heightened to comical levels, with almost every character maintaining an air of perfection in situations one would expect bedhead or dishevelment. Almost everyone is always camera-ready. In the same vein, we might deviate from realistic proportions of sexuality, such as by having a higher proportion of gay characters
lol it's a bl so of course people are not here for the heteros, and it's fiction.
For those uneasy with stories that are "too gay" or heavily focused on gay relationships, it's recommended they write their own stories or adapt existing stories that incorporate both straight and gay elements. Fully-gay stories shouldn't be straightwashed or watered down to suit your personal preferences
"Girlie there are BLs with Het couples"
I take issue with the prevalent trend in those stories. Their straight elements detract from the essence of the BL genre, a genre meant to celebrate non-straight relationships. It's a conversation worth having on another occasion
Just watched the first episode and I thoroughly enjoyed it, it was fun, the acting was pretty good. The little…
"... don't you guys find it ridiculous when, in every BL, every single man under the sun is gay and in a gay relationship?"
Fiction allows for the exploration of alternative realities and social norms. In a fictional world, we have the freedom to create a society in which homosexuality is the norm
Everyone belonging to a particular group, be it wizards, vampires, or superheroes, is a standard part of creative storytelling. Extending the standard to "everyone is gay" settings shouldn't, therefore, be considered ridiculous. To do so reveals a personal discomfort and prejudice regarding homosexuality rather than a legitimate issue with the storytelling itself
Actor Cha Sun Hyung, who played Seong Hyeon, revealed his most memorable moment to be the cake with the whipped…
Aww, that's precious! Sun Hyung and Jun Seo have a natural connection/chemistry, on and off-screen
And I'm with Sun Hyung on this one, the whipped cream scene is my favorite and a beautiful moment of intimacy between two men who had gone through so much together. It's the highlight of the last episode
Okok. Wait. I just wrote a pretty long reply to a comment below. Not going to paste it all here, but I am confused…
"Meaning that LEGALLY IN SOUTH KOREA, there was no underage relationship AT THAT TIME. (It wasn't raised until later)"
That the legal age of consent was raised suggests the previous law was inadequate in protecting minors. The inadequacy was systemic, lawmakers, courts, the entertainment industry, society. Every adult overlooked the risks that adult-minor relationships pose to minors
Understanding the risks today, some adults are exercising their right to request an apology for past immoral actions, even if legal measures might not provide a satisfactory resolution
"Pictures, talking, videos, AI can fabricate everything. But "fans" are ready to judge based on .... nothing proofed"Multiple…
"... from what I know the family would still need to pay. So there would be an insentive for them to make money"
You're assuming the family fabricated a scandal for financial gain without evidence
"If a scandal channel was cought in lies before and has a strong political push, I am tempted to not belive everything as presented"
Mainstream, respected news sources have had their inaccuracies. Past inaccuracies don't discredit everything a source reports
"And even if the dating would be true it does not mean there was abuse" "I think it's morally wrong only if there is abuse"
Power imbalances and manipulation are forms of abuse
"Again diffrent societies and cultures are different"
Cultural norms don’t override moral principles
Adults have a moral responsibility to protect minors. Any relationship between an adult and a minor is an abuse of that moral responsibility. The onus is on the adult to maintain appropriate boundaries and to understand their interaction with a minor is unequal
"... the majority marry young by 27 they are married with kids, the rate of divorce is low (23%)... They are happy"
How do you know they are happy, and not lying about it? More conservative, religious cultures have extreme social stigma against divorce. They pressure people to stay in unhappy, abusive marriages
"Is it morally wrong?"
Yes, and the cultures you're defending are immoral. A 15-year-old who can't sign a legal contract or vote can't and shouldn't be allowed to make a life-altering decision about a relationship with an adult
I doubt they planned to release anything. Based on their statements, they’ve only asked for an apology. Clearly,…
"Wait so the messages of I miss you and hugs are not proof of a relationship" "Kim Sae Ron and Kim Soo Hyun exchanged messages containing "I miss you," "I want to hug you""
It's inappropriate for an adult to send messages expressing "desire" for physical contact to a minor, or to respond to them
"But again, they put out a handwritten letter that she wrote in 2024 that makes 0 sense, why only put it out now"
Families don’t operate on a PR schedule. Grief, legal considerations, and timing play a role. The letter’s content matters more than the timing of its release
"Plus, the content of the letter does not make sense, because they broke up in 2020, and from there until 2024, it seems that they are implying they were communicating ..."
People don’t always "cut off" an ex. The letter might be addressing past unresolved feelings, not recent direct contact
"... because the father came out saying the youtuber had a horrible effect over her and they were angry on what was said about KSR"
Expressing anger toward harmful media coverage isn’t proof of an agenda
"They kept puting out circumstantial evidence acusing him but said they don't want to put everything else in order to what?"
Not releasing all evidence at once is a legal strategy
Releasing all evidence could give the accused an opportunity to interfere with the investigation by tampering with digital records, threatening those who testify against him, or creating false "evidence" to support his defense
"Pictures, talking, videos, AI can fabricate everything. But "fans" are ready to judge based on .... nothing proofed"Multiple…
It's possible there are people who would benefit from discrediting the person in question, it's also possible the story is true and the person is facing legitimate consequences for his actions
Many news stories have been broken by independent journalists or smaller media organizations. The platform on which a story is first reported shouldn't be the basis for determining its validity
Korean society is absolutely astonishing (I want to use other word but dont want to be rude). How can you cancel…
"Pictures, talking, videos, AI can fabricate everything. But "fans" are ready to judge based on .... nothing proofed"
Multiple sources report the same information, it's less likely that the evidence has been fabricated
Cancelling someone is a social response. In a court of law, the standard of evidence is higher than in the court of public opinion, where people judge based on the information available. The public is bringing attention to the allegations of misconduct, encouraging courts to conduct their own internal investigation and take appropriate action. That's a good thing, the public is preventing information from being hidden
The way, "This is entirely her parents' fault", is being repeated right now.. sounds exactly like this (pay attention…
"The criminal will commit a crime, why can't YOU be careful? If you roam around with a body, the criminal will cut it, right? Poor guy is just doing his work, why are you roaming around with that neck?"
Feminism holds male perpetrators of grooming accountable. And it supports the creation of safe houses, shelters, and other resources for girls and women experiencing domestic abuse. It's helping children
"Western countries like America still allow 19 year olds to have sex with 14 year olds"
The age of consent in most Western countries or states is 16, 17, or 18, and engaging in activity with someone under that age is considered statutory rape. For example, "the age of consent is 17 years old in New York and anyone who engages in sexual activity with a person under the age of 17 can face statutory rape charges." In Canada, "a person must be at least 16 years old to be able to legally agree to sexual activity." And "the age of consent in England and Wales is 16. This means that sexual activity between two or more people is always unlawful if at least one of the people is under the age of 16"
And I must say, you’re quite eloquent yourself! Our exchange was a pleasure thanks to your thoughtful and engaging responses
They go to the same school. And the four of them are close friends
Chan Young and Ji Yu aren't together in the source material
Your preference for a story that concentrates on one couple is understandable. At times, I share this preference. And I believe the addition of a straight "couple" raises valid concerns about the potential shifts in the storyline that you mentioned. Should the focus shift towards the straight "couple" in upcoming episodes, it'll misallocate time that could be better invested in the unfolding and growth of the gay couple’s narrative
"I just don't find it ..realistic?"
Realism in fiction deviates from reality for entertainment purposes. For example, beauty standards are heightened to comical levels, with almost every character maintaining an air of perfection in situations one would expect bedhead or dishevelment. Almost everyone is always camera-ready. In the same vein, we might deviate from realistic proportions of sexuality, such as by having a higher proportion of gay characters
"Girlie there are BLs with Het couples"
I take issue with the prevalent trend in those stories. Their straight elements detract from the essence of the BL genre, a genre meant to celebrate non-straight relationships. It's a conversation worth having on another occasion
Fiction allows for the exploration of alternative realities and social norms. In a fictional world, we have the freedom to create a society in which homosexuality is the norm
Everyone belonging to a particular group, be it wizards, vampires, or superheroes, is a standard part of creative storytelling. Extending the standard to "everyone is gay" settings shouldn't, therefore, be considered ridiculous. To do so reveals a personal discomfort and prejudice regarding homosexuality rather than a legitimate issue with the storytelling itself
And I'm with Sun Hyung on this one, the whipped cream scene is my favorite and a beautiful moment of intimacy between two men who had gone through so much together. It's the highlight of the last episode
That the legal age of consent was raised suggests the previous law was inadequate in protecting minors. The inadequacy was systemic, lawmakers, courts, the entertainment industry, society. Every adult overlooked the risks that adult-minor relationships pose to minors
Understanding the risks today, some adults are exercising their right to request an apology for past immoral actions, even if legal measures might not provide a satisfactory resolution
You're assuming the family fabricated a scandal for financial gain without evidence
"If a scandal channel was cought in lies before and has a strong political push, I am tempted to not belive everything as presented"
Mainstream, respected news sources have had their inaccuracies. Past inaccuracies don't discredit everything a source reports
"And even if the dating would be true it does not mean there was abuse"
"I think it's morally wrong only if there is abuse"
Power imbalances and manipulation are forms of abuse
"Again diffrent societies and cultures are different"
Cultural norms don’t override moral principles
Adults have a moral responsibility to protect minors. Any relationship between an adult and a minor is an abuse of that moral responsibility. The onus is on the adult to maintain appropriate boundaries and to understand their interaction with a minor is unequal
"... the majority marry young by 27 they are married with kids, the rate of divorce is low (23%)... They are happy"
How do you know they are happy, and not lying about it? More conservative, religious cultures have extreme social stigma against divorce. They pressure people to stay in unhappy, abusive marriages
"Is it morally wrong?"
Yes, and the cultures you're defending are immoral. A 15-year-old who can't sign a legal contract or vote can't and shouldn't be allowed to make a life-altering decision about a relationship with an adult
An adult has no business sending those messages to a minor, that should raise everyone's red flags
"Kim Sae Ron and Kim Soo Hyun exchanged messages containing "I miss you," "I want to hug you""
It's inappropriate for an adult to send messages expressing "desire" for physical contact to a minor, or to respond to them
"But again, they put out a handwritten letter that she wrote in 2024 that makes 0 sense, why only put it out now"
Families don’t operate on a PR schedule. Grief, legal considerations, and timing play a role. The letter’s content matters more than the timing of its release
"Plus, the content of the letter does not make sense, because they broke up in 2020, and from there until 2024, it seems that they are implying they were communicating ..."
People don’t always "cut off" an ex. The letter might be addressing past unresolved feelings, not recent direct contact
"... because the father came out saying the youtuber had a horrible effect over her and they were angry on what was said about KSR"
Expressing anger toward harmful media coverage isn’t proof of an agenda
"They kept puting out circumstantial evidence acusing him but said they don't want to put everything else in order to what?"
Not releasing all evidence at once is a legal strategy
Releasing all evidence could give the accused an opportunity to interfere with the investigation by tampering with digital records, threatening those who testify against him, or creating false "evidence" to support his defense
Digital forensics exists. Metadata, timestamps, and device tracking can prove whether the messages are real
"I don’t meddle in other people’s lives because I have my own"
This isn’t "meddling," it’s engaging in societal responsibility
"I don’t judge anybody because I am not God or a court"
You're judging the people who don't believe Kim Soo Hyun is "innocent" and accusing them of having no life
Your words: "haters are people without personal life"
You're misrepresenting how evidence works. A single unverified claim isn’t the same as a pattern of consistent testimonies
Eyewitness testimonies, documentary evidence, and multiple sources reporting the same thing increase credibility
"People's talking? Video and pictures that everybody, even child, can fabricate?"
Photos, texts, and videos are pieces of evidence. They aren’t absolute proof alone, but combined, they build a strong case
Many news stories have been broken by independent journalists or smaller media organizations. The platform on which a story is first reported shouldn't be the basis for determining its validity
Multiple sources report the same information, it's less likely that the evidence has been fabricated
Cancelling someone is a social response. In a court of law, the standard of evidence is higher than in the court of public opinion, where people judge based on the information available. The public is bringing attention to the allegations of misconduct, encouraging courts to conduct their own internal investigation and take appropriate action. That's a good thing, the public is preventing information from being hidden
There's no chemistry
Society in a nutshell
The age of consent in most Western countries or states is 16, 17, or 18, and engaging in activity with someone under that age is considered statutory rape. For example, "the age of consent is 17 years old in New York and anyone who engages in sexual activity with a person under the age of 17 can face statutory rape charges." In Canada, "a person must be at least 16 years old to be able to legally agree to sexual activity." And "the age of consent in England and Wales is 16. This means that sexual activity between two or more people is always unlawful if at least one of the people is under the age of 16"
Sources: https://www.jasongoldmanlaw.com/insights/age-of-consent-romeo-juliet-laws-for-new-york
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/sexual-consent/
Some countries allowing 14-year-olds to engage in activity with 19-year-olds doesn't mean it's a good idea or should be legal