"... a character who is supposedly a green flag: kissed Daon back when Daon was extremely drunk/unable to consent, repeatedly ignored Daon's boundaries, borderline lovebombed him and felt obsessive in a unhealthy way, in episode 7 he refused to let Daon explain"
The actions you describe aren't abusive in this context, they reflect a character struggling with his emotions. For example, the drunken kiss was a mistake made in the heat of the moment and not an intentional act of non-consent
Our green flag thought he misread the signals Da On was sending. He assumed he lost his chance with Da On. And overwhelmed by the false assumption, he at first didn't let Da On explain himself, dreading the confirmation of his mistake
His determination to win the heart of his beloved might've resulted in actions that seemed annoying, pushy, or "abusive." But his goal wasn't to ignore Da On's boundaries, it was to communicate the depth of his feelings for Da On. He learned to wait and give Da On the time to take care of himself and think things through in the last episode
In any case, he's a better partner than the other two characters
He should have remained single. After 2 toxic guys around you, you jump to the next one.They all need therapy.
The character can both seek therapy to work on personal issues and explore a new, healthy relationship. He doesn't have to choose one or the other
Many people in real life experience a series of unhealthy relationships before finding one that's more positive. They don't remain single until they've worked through all their personal issues
Why are these people hung up on sad endings?They accuse happy endings of "pandering" to fangirls, don't they see…
"Besides the finale was the weakest episode of all with a cliché ending"
Tragedy for the sake of tragedy is also clichéd and overused
"And if you want to watch fluffy stuff without activating your brain, there are lot's of shows to choose from"
There are plenty of sad "queer" stories to fulfill your needs
Are you claiming that those who enjoy happy endings are incapable of complex thought? Laughing and feeling good count as "activating your brain"
Happy gay stories receive intense scrutiny, while "straight" stories with happy endings that bear little resemblance to real life are taken at face value. The double standard suggests that you believe gay couples are less entitled to the happiness granted to "straight" ones
"You do know that BLs are catering to girls/woman not to the gay (male) community"
The gender and sexuality of the creator and intended audience don't define the quality of the content
Women are breaking barriers and enriching the world of gay storytelling with their unique perspectives. Many gay men enjoy their works
"When the story is good who carez if it's a happy or sad end?"
Some of us prefer to see the characters we care about find happiness and closure
Not gonna lie, I also found that last kiss disappointing. Seeing how all the previous ones were good I started…
Why are these people hung up on sad endings?
They accuse happy endings of "pandering" to fangirls, don't they see that sad endings pander to their twisted desire to trap others in a cycle of misery?
Gay people/couples have endured enough heartbreak and sadness in reality and fiction, we need more uplifting narratives that celebrate gay love and resilience. I'm overjoyed that our couple's story ended on a happy note
"Because it's a BL we get a happy end. Oh would it be so much better if Co-Worker just died and that would be the end for all. But no, he must get his Daon so all the fangirls are happy"
A gay story should end in tragedy, or else it's pandering to fangirls? Why should it pander to your sadism and "bury the gays?" I wouldn't want my favorite characters to be miserable or meet an untimely demise. Moreover, the character's injury wasn't life-threatening and could be treated with surgery. A sad ending would've felt forced
BL stories focus on the journey of two men finding love and acceptance. A happy ending is a natural, logical conclusion to that journey
I am checking comment section religiously 😭 it aired only for a month and yet it had such an impact. I truly…
Aww, Kate, it's touching to see how much this drama means to you, just as it does to me. Please don't feel embarrassed for loving it, it's simply that good and worthy of our love and attention <3
Saying goodbye to this drama is hard for me. I keep revisiting the first episode, reluctant to let it go
The entire production is incredible, the storyline, the performances, the fearless inclusion of gay intimacy. What's more incredible is how each episode, despite its short running time, surpasses most dramas in quality. I'd be happy to see these male leads star in more Korean BL dramas in the future
This show is awful! How did you manage to finish it? I am halfway through the first episode and nothing works…
"This show is awful! How did you manage to finish it?"
It’s not awful. For a drama with limited resources and a small budget, it does a good job of delivering a solid viewing experience
"I am halfway through the first episode and nothing works for me here: bad acting, ridiculous storyline, a scooter accident save?!? ... Is there are reason why everyone talks as if they are sleepwalking?"
The setup adds a cute, quirky layer to the story
Sometimes, the most memorable performances are the ones where the actors aren’t overacting and hamming it up for the camera. The actors of this project adopted a less-is-more approach. Their quieter, more grounded performances let the story breathe and feel real
People who are calling it bait due to there being less skinship than what they want, simply don't get the plot.…
"There's no need to segregate straight and queer elements, them coexisting in the same universe is actually very progressive"
I disagree, separating "straight" and gay elements into their designated spaces enhances the viewing experience by providing platforms that cater to individual preferences. Some people prefer gay stories, some don't. That's okay and not regressive
On gay-only platforms, gay stories can flourish without interference from the "straight" agenda or becoming lost in a disorganized, jumbled mess. This segregation would acknowledge and respect the diversity in preferences. And everyone would be able to have a cozy corner to call their own
If having morals makes me weird then so be it. I'd rather be weird than a degenerate.
Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me. Until now, I was only familiar with the asexual subreddit and had no idea that an antisex subreddit existed
I've come across "asexuals" who claim some asexuals desire sex and experience sexual attraction, which contradicts the definition of asexuality. Is that what you mean by "asexual" being used too broadly?
If having morals makes me weird then so be it. I'd rather be weird than a degenerate.
Both biological and social factors contribute to our beliefs about sex and romance
The influence of society and culture is strong, shaping our perceptions of what constitutes "appropriate" behavior and how we express sexuality. At the same time, biology influences certain experiences during sex and romance, such as the release of hormones responsible for attachment and pleasure
I'm part of the LGB community, and I believe the experiences of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are distinct from those of trans identifying, queer, and asexual people. It'd be beneficial for us/them to be separate entities
If having morals makes me weird then so be it. I'd rather be weird than a degenerate.
I understand that for asexual people, sex and romance are unrelated. For most people, however, sexual (physical) intimacy is a key component of and related to their romantic (emotional) relationships
The belief that all relationships are sexual is inaccurate, and so is the belief that sex and romance are always unrelated
How are you doing now? Have you found support and healing in your life, and are you in a better place emotionally?
The actions you describe aren't abusive in this context, they reflect a character struggling with his emotions. For example, the drunken kiss was a mistake made in the heat of the moment and not an intentional act of non-consent
Our green flag thought he misread the signals Da On was sending. He assumed he lost his chance with Da On. And overwhelmed by the false assumption, he at first didn't let Da On explain himself, dreading the confirmation of his mistake
His determination to win the heart of his beloved might've resulted in actions that seemed annoying, pushy, or "abusive." But his goal wasn't to ignore Da On's boundaries, it was to communicate the depth of his feelings for Da On. He learned to wait and give Da On the time to take care of himself and think things through in the last episode
In any case, he's a better partner than the other two characters
Many people in real life experience a series of unhealthy relationships before finding one that's more positive. They don't remain single until they've worked through all their personal issues
Tragedy for the sake of tragedy is also clichéd and overused
"And if you want to watch fluffy stuff without activating your brain, there are lot's of shows to choose from"
There are plenty of sad "queer" stories to fulfill your needs
Are you claiming that those who enjoy happy endings are incapable of complex thought? Laughing and feeling good count as "activating your brain"
Happy gay stories receive intense scrutiny, while "straight" stories with happy endings that bear little resemblance to real life are taken at face value. The double standard suggests that you believe gay couples are less entitled to the happiness granted to "straight" ones
"You do know that BLs are catering to girls/woman not to the gay (male) community"
The gender and sexuality of the creator and intended audience don't define the quality of the content
Women are breaking barriers and enriching the world of gay storytelling with their unique perspectives. Many gay men enjoy their works
"When the story is good who carez if it's a happy or sad end?"
Some of us prefer to see the characters we care about find happiness and closure
They accuse happy endings of "pandering" to fangirls, don't they see that sad endings pander to their twisted desire to trap others in a cycle of misery?
Gay people/couples have endured enough heartbreak and sadness in reality and fiction, we need more uplifting narratives that celebrate gay love and resilience. I'm overjoyed that our couple's story ended on a happy note
A gay story should end in tragedy, or else it's pandering to fangirls? Why should it pander to your sadism and "bury the gays?" I wouldn't want my favorite characters to be miserable or meet an untimely demise. Moreover, the character's injury wasn't life-threatening and could be treated with surgery. A sad ending would've felt forced
BL stories focus on the journey of two men finding love and acceptance. A happy ending is a natural, logical conclusion to that journey
The entire production is incredible, the storyline, the performances, the fearless inclusion of gay intimacy. What's more incredible is how each episode, despite its short running time, surpasses most dramas in quality. I'd be happy to see these male leads star in more Korean BL dramas in the future
It’s not awful. For a drama with limited resources and a small budget, it does a good job of delivering a solid viewing experience
"I am halfway through the first episode and nothing works for me here: bad acting, ridiculous storyline, a scooter accident save?!? ... Is there are reason why everyone talks as if they are sleepwalking?"
The setup adds a cute, quirky layer to the story
Sometimes, the most memorable performances are the ones where the actors aren’t overacting and hamming it up for the camera. The actors of this project adopted a less-is-more approach. Their quieter, more grounded performances let the story breathe and feel real
"Does it get any better?"
It gets better every episode
I disagree, separating "straight" and gay elements into their designated spaces enhances the viewing experience by providing platforms that cater to individual preferences. Some people prefer gay stories, some don't. That's okay and not regressive
On gay-only platforms, gay stories can flourish without interference from the "straight" agenda or becoming lost in a disorganized, jumbled mess. This segregation would acknowledge and respect the diversity in preferences. And everyone would be able to have a cozy corner to call their own
I've come across "asexuals" who claim some asexuals desire sex and experience sexual attraction, which contradicts the definition of asexuality. Is that what you mean by "asexual" being used too broadly?
The influence of society and culture is strong, shaping our perceptions of what constitutes "appropriate" behavior and how we express sexuality. At the same time, biology influences certain experiences during sex and romance, such as the release of hormones responsible for attachment and pleasure
I'm part of the LGB community, and I believe the experiences of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are distinct from those of trans identifying, queer, and asexual people. It'd be beneficial for us/them to be separate entities
Are you asexual, if I may ask?
"Top" and "bottom" are convenient labels people use to discuss their favorite dynamics. They don't imply "fetishization"
They're similar to "jock" and "nerd." The terms aren't 100% accurate. And they exist to convey ideas quickly
The belief that all relationships are sexual is inaccurate, and so is the belief that sex and romance are always unrelated