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I'm waiting for Shi Eun to dazzle in evening wear like she does in the title sequence. So gorgeous. Open up and bloom like Sa Hun's mother has! Demand your fair share of your family's money and live it up!!

Lol, I fear that you're right. The ghost went from being a possible threat to Dong Mi's plans to a lecherous joke. To the actor - WHY?

Season 3? Mmm, maybe it's Netflix money.
I agree that BHR and PSH staying together wouldn't make sense emotionally, but perhaps the writer is asserting that something good CAN come out of infidelity - a divorce that liberates you, or a true transformation. Or in the case of Yu Shin, seduction by his stepmom? I dunno. Let's see the rest of Season 2!

Ha - there used to be in Parade magazine a column called "Can This Marriage Be Saved?"! Too even-keeled, unflappable. I have called him a sociopath in other posts. I'd like to know why. What was the trauma he couldn't get over? His father marrying his beloved Dong Mi?

To digress, people here seem to think that Song Won is the master manipulator. Nope - Yu Shin and his stepmother are manipulative enough for the entire drama.

Yes. I like how Pi Young acknowledged that her own advice to Shi Eun (and by extension, her snobbery towards U-am) was absolutely wrong. As for Ji-a, I didn't care for Little Miss Perfect until now. But the poor baby has gone through a lot these past weeks.

Perhaps Ji-a and U-am now become closer as friends - not future girlfriend/boyfriend.

Undoubtedly, the affair would have continued and I'm glad she told him so. What I meant to say is that he let it go as long as it had because he thought he had a winning card - Pi Young would choose family above her pride. But, he was wrong.

Ugh. If he does breach that line, he is beyond redemption. How could he ever look Jia in the face after that?

When is the ghost going to do something other than feel up or leer at young women?

Excellent point - that he is just not in touch with his own emotions. Cunning and intelligent and knows what to say when... maybe high EQ but zero for authenticity. I too am curious about whether he is redeemable.

Agree with you. By the end of the long conversation, he saw that he had really lost her and was truly sorry. Too little, too late.

Agreed on all points. But I thought at the end when he realized his arguments had not made a dent, he was agreeing to fold his cards. He was not plotting something dramatic to make her regret her decision.

lol! Now the real fight begins.

Why is this marked a spoiler?

I'm terrible at guessing who the murderer is in serial killer dramas because I don't remember clues or specific episodes. What a prodigious memory you have!

I'm going with my gut feeling about Song Won because of how she appears 98% of her screen time. She has consistently been the wise unni with the two friends, and with Sa Hun, his parents, now with Seo Ban. She was curious about why he sought her out again, and there is something about the power of interrelatedness (he's a friend of her friend) that you don't just cut off someone because timing for a job didn't work out. Btw, he clearly says he's not interested in marriage or love, just children. I interpret Ep 11 as explaining how her values had shifted, and that having a baby is life giving (literally), unlike other desires. I will have lost all respect for the writer if suddenly in 4 episodes she manufactures a future between them.

Keeping the ring and displaying the picture in her own room where nobody else is likely to see it - so what? Closure means different things for different people. If an ex gave you something that marked the better times of your relationship, wouldn't you keep it? I have. I also don't remember the parents giving her money. Perhaps they pressed an envelop into her hands. Can't she accept it for baby preparations? She turned down an apartment.

You have brought up the point previously that the couple in the department store looked too young to be her ex- in-laws. I don't remember exactly - maybe it was her ex and his new wife. So what? The point is, she was heartbroken at the sight of the family, and as she told Sa Hun, she missed the relationship with the parents more than the actual marriage. What are you implying? That she's actually trying to get back at her ex by flaunting her own baby? Does that really ring true?

I had to go back to Ep 8 and watch that clip. After being savagely attacked by BHR in the restaurant, how could she not be angry while listening to the program? She might have been thinking, wow, all of that advice I gave to Sa Hun about being the bigger person, yielding, being more generous to his wife - no WONDER he wanted out. Or did you think the wise counseling was all an act? To what end? To get him to buy her dinner and seduce him?

If people are deceitful, there's a generally good (logical) reason behind it - immoral or not - unless they're just sociopaths and have no relationship with truth. I can't think of any reason Song Won would have for lying to so many people. She has everything she wants. I don't know if she still wants a future with Sa Hun.

Honestly, I don't know why they don't just call it off. The dinner they had with her friends was awkward. But previews show that Hye Ryung is trying - by cooking. Is that enough? Is communicating more openly enough?

I hope for everyone's sake that he doesn't spend the rest of his life moping and that he lets go of one woman gracefully and resolutely.

I agree with you and Bloom C that he is a master manipulator. Pi Young saw through his words and even said she would discourage anyone from marrying a psychologist/psychiatrist. I also didn't know how much of it was the same kind of self-serving lies he told A Mi and how much of it was sincere.

But by the end, I came to believe that he was truly remorseful. He may have thought at the beginning of the affair that he could simply wrap it up with A Mi and go back to Pi Young. He probably thought it would never come to divorce because Pi Young is so intelligent and rational; he assumed that if she considered every aspect, she would agree that it would be best for them to stay married if only in name. Or that her own experience without her dad would sway her. He did not consider how her trust was irrevocably shattered and their marriage was defiled.

I think it's more complicated than personal persuasiveness or linguistic sophistry. People stay together for tons of reasons, usually financial and because of the kids. What he was saying isn't wrong about divorced families in Korea.

Fortunately, SPY could afford to leave. As for "looking good", perhaps you meant self-care? For example, I don't think the professor left his wife because she looked old and tired, but I think she had forgotten that she was more than a mother and he wanted a flesh and blood wife, not a saint or martyr. Don't get me wrong, I think the professor is selfish and short-sighted and should have tried harder and he may get his comeuppance yet. If only Shi Eun had loved herself to expect more of her husband, encouraged her children to do more for themselves, and to embrace self-pampering, rest, sensuality.

I think Yu Shin and Sa Hun are now in their own private hell. The professor may get his reckoning - and he may not. This seems to be a different makjang. A person doesn't need to have his entire life destroyed because infidelity. Knowing that he has now destroyed a great marriage and family and is somewhat responsible for SPY's inability to make her amends with her mom is something Yoo Shin will probably carry to the end of his life. I think that's worse than public opprobrium or financial ruin - you can overcome those.

I too love the flowering of the love between Pa Hun's parents. It's dispiriting seeing all the comments about them being "trash" (what does that even mean exactly?) because they are generous towards the woman who is carrying their grandchild.

Yoo Shin has been the most repulsive of the three (again, there was a LOT of hate towards Sa Hun, whose crimes were a misdemeanor compared to the felonious Yoo Shin), but by the end of the episode, I had much more respect for both of them. The conversation summarized in an hour the torrent and cycles of emotions that couples experience in a lifetime. Good job, writer!

That was a misstep on her part - and the writer's device to have her impregnated.

I don't think the onus was completely on him. While there are no scenes of him expressing his frustrations about the marriage, in every scene they do communicate about something other than outings, she completely shuts him down. I'm sure you know people like that in your life - I do. If they are blindsided, it is not because the other person didn't try.

Could he have forced her to go to counseling? I don't know. Did he try to seek counseling/advice for himself through Song Won? I think so.
In the other 2 marriages, the couples had normal conversations about mundane things, the foundation of relationships. They never had that easy interaction. She was always on his case about something, always with an agenda.