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Yes, you're right. People or households are often labeled by their neighborhoods. I think what you're getting at is that BHR is realizing that her husband continues to call Song Won.

Yes, I love karma too. And the doctor has it coming. The professor and the lawyer won't win any morality awards, but at least they came clean and are dealing with the consequences and they want their wives/ex-wives to eventually have more than they were able to give them.

I appreciate your essay about this drama, which I just finished :) i agree that the premise was promising and that the series could have been better. And I respectfully disagree with your condemnation of CWK's husband.

I respect marriage vows and believe that spouses should be there through sickness and poverty. But he had no idea how damaged she was, and neither did she. If the ultimate good is to provide their own daughter with some stability, perhaps it's not such a terrible thing for the husband to leave and try to start a new family with someone else. Plus, CWK was way too invested in her clients, and was spending considerable time and energy nursing her sister. No wonder that the husband and daughter felt she was absent from the marriage.

With the shocking events that emerged at the end of the series, the husband may begin to understand what was missing, but that shouldn't preclude him from wanting to have a relationship. Knowing the truth, perhaps CWK can finally move on and eventually find love again herself.

Interesting - hadn't realized that it was nominated for so many awards and didn't win any of them. I think you nailed it - not entertaining, despite the decent cast and the horrifying deaths.

Not sure how one would be able to make an entertaining drama out of such a heavy topic like child abuse, but after a run of serial killer dramas (Flower of Evil, Mouse, Beyond Evil) and oldies but goodies like Stranger and Signal (not Tunnel, though), I'm convinced that you have to connect with at least one character, and have some comic relief. There was none of that here. Could not get behind any of the main characters, only N.

I'm an overthinker too :) And I found Cha Woo Kyung frustrating and unlikeable. Something about her flat voice, her bursts of rage - made her a loose cannon that people did not want to be around. I'm going to get crucified for saying this (look at the comments on Love Marriage Divorce about adulterers), but I can fully understand why her husband left. And I hope that he and his girlfriend go on to have a happy relationship. CWK's trauma is relatable and understandable, and I hope that her daughter is unscathed by all of that.

Does anyone know where I can find this? Coming here after finishing Mine. It's no longer on Netflix.

When you put it like that, the ending is anti-climactic. But then, I think Mine was about how these outsider women overthrew the oppressive environment within the compound and took over Hyowon.

I didn't care for the early episodes, partly because of the extreme artifice and stifling formalities at every meal, every conversation. The peacock mother and her cream pie daughter were literally cracking up, breaking dishes and throwing tantrums. Towards the end, they too were freed. The longest-serving "maids" (I hate that word) ended up leaving, hopefully with ample compensation for their roles in breaking down the old order.

I'm a Christian too and I don't believe that being gay is sinful. It was a beautiful love story. Surely, you must agree that Suzy was a true match, and that her husband is a bumbling fool.

I dropped Chicago Typewriter because the ML was insufferable, but seeing Yoo Ah In here (love, love, loved him here), I'm motivated to go back and try again.

Me too! I thought season 1 was very slow and too talky, especially the scenes with SPY and her mother, and the writer artificially sped things up with shock value gimmicks like killing off the doctor's father. Season 2 seems like a realistic exploration of the ramification of their choices. At the risk of drawing the ire of everyone here who thinks Song Won is a cunning snake, I want her to end up with the lawyer and his in-laws, but perhaps that's too simplistic.

SPY - rapprochement with her mother, even if her mother dies off? Acknowledging how arrogant she is and accepting her daughter's crush?

LSE, the writer - emerging as a desirable woman, not just a mother and workhorse? She's so gorgeous in the opening title - hope that she gets to glam up in a beautiful cocktail dress too and empower her kids to get past this trauma.

Lawyer's parents - father finally appreciating his wife and loosening up his ideas of authority and sovereignty? Mother enjoying her own life for once?

Ah Mi - uniting with her father and dating men her own age?

Nam Ga Bin - gives up the shallow boyfriend and finds fulfillment and family elsewhere? If it's with the professor, I hope he enjoys changing diapers and running after toddlers at an age where most men are enjoying retirement.

BHR - ends up with the rich shallow boyfriend and the two of them can have their glamorous life, until they grow old, go broke or learn about a bastard kid he has somewhere?

One can dream.

I don't condone adultery, but there is tons of cheating in other dramas. I wonder why this drama is getting so much flak for realistically examining the emotions, impossible choices and collateral damage that comes after the affair is exposed?

I loved how the MIL's plan was foiled by the doctor's one act of decency.

I fully agree that women should be fully supported whether they want children or not. And yes, PSH knew that going into the marriage. But people are allowed to change their minds and renegotiate the marriage. So he told his wife that he wanted a divorce, and she agreed initially before changing her mind. People can do that.

I completely understand her shock and her anger, as well as her desire to get back by contemplating an affair of her own. Let's see what happens with the producer's brother.

Life is hard and one's desires do not always align with others' or with biology. As for his parents, sure - they are very conservative. And BHR knew that when she got married. What would you have them do - completely cut off that grandchild because of BHR's feelings?

I agree. Early in the first season, he was making a bid to talk to her, but she was on the phone with her mom. When he was sick, she kicked him out of the bedroom. The 5 other women (yes, even the mistresses) demonstrate that it is possible to be a career woman AND be loving, taking care and consideration of others. BHR has struck me as very shallow. I would expect her to have some soul, some depth as a musician, but there's none of that. Yes, she is clever and articulate - will grant her that. But as someone to settle down with and enjoy grandkids? No way.

I seem to be the only one defending Song Won, but I think Sa Hyeon was just shocked by how much she was showing. She was very slim just a short time ago and now she looks ready to give birth. But you could be right - the sarcastic way that Hye Ryung asked her if she lived in Nonhyon-dong (a pretty pricey neighborhood) could be a clue.

They did. Seo Hyun calls her to say that she's going to meet her.

I see. It does seem that the writer has spent the most time on this couple, and I wonder if Song Won is indeed playing the long game. But the writer seems to have laid out the characters as they are - nothing hidden from the viewer. The doctor is despicable for manipulating three women, and what is moving that plot forward is what Sa Pi Young and her mother-in-law will do when they find about Ah Mi.

Look, I hope everyone gets his/her just desserts as well. I hope the professor ends up alone, that the lawyer is able to end up with Song Won (the purest relationship to me), and that his wife ends up with the producer's brother. They seem to be equally narcissistic and shallow, perfect for each other. I hope the mother-in-law gets her comeuppance with the ghost and that the doctor suffers the most.

What?!!! You’re right! I can’t believe that he was the robot-like Jang Baek Ki!

Much better than either. Penthouse is a different animal altogether. Graceful Friends was a letdown.

Yes, the production is the most opulent I've ever seen. Penthouse looks tacky by comparison.

It bothered me at first, but I guess like everything else you get used to it. It really raises the bar for chaebol dramas.