Wenxia

I really like reading your comments - you always paint this story in such rich emotional tones. Alas, what can I do that I just interpret it differently. Maybe one day I'll rewatch and see all those missing pieces. Btw, I actually dislike the use of W's internal monologues as a plot device in this series. I'd much rather be convinced that they have a soul deep connection by watching the story unfold, than being told about it. Especially, when I find the narrator a tad unreliable;)
I like your take on Namo - she did play it cool with Sean - maybe she cried because she didn't realize earlier how much she cared, other than dashed hopes...

Lol don't we all know how forgiving W can be... I only hoped for him to assert himself more. I don't think it matters much how hard a slap is - its effects are mostly psychological. I know in other cultures it may not have that same undercurrent of humiliation as it has in mine - but paired with B calling him a moron... I just couldn't help but root for him showing some of that spunk he seemed to have gained over the months with the gang. Not that I wasn't tempted to call W a moron (repeatedly) over the course of this series, but not to his face;)

About the choking, W literally says at the end of ep6 that a second before he almost lost consciousness and was nearly dead because of Sean, he started to doubt if S would want to compensate the mission fail with his life - so he at least thought it was possible. Adding how much of a betrayal that was to Sean, it felt to me that any trust they might have built beforehand was fractured at that moment. If you binged this series, you probably would have a different experience than me stewing on that ending for a week;) So in your mind, if they had romantic feelings for each other at that time, would W be more or less likely to move past it? Btw I don't deny any of the feelings between them - only that as a viewer I feel a disconnect with how abruptly the story progressed from that fracturing of trust in ep6, through awkward interactions in ep7, to a sudden deep trust, emotional and physical intimacy in the following episodes.

I remember that scene about namo now - maybe that was subtitles fault, cause I thought he denied there being anything between them. They might have slept in one bed but no parts were touching - probably my pervy mind automatically translated it as platonic;)

As far as I remember Michael Schumacher lost 20+ kg in 2-3 months coma just saying;p and we did see that naked unblemished back of B's - did you miss it?:D

*Shrug* who isn't;) sorry, if it sounded that way to you - S/W do make a twisted sense to me - doesn't mean I'm gonna buy everything about their story:)

Hopefully:) I do hope the reveal will happen next week.

Sigh, I was so hoping for W to slap back. Seriously, that boy has to stop taking shit from people or at least call out crappy behaviour.
But this plot hurts my brain ...or I'm having a case of getting lost in translation. Cause I feel like every second ep sth comes at me out of left field. I was so shocked with Sean and Namo! they read as completely platonic to me before. I can't recall anything in either conversations or body language between them, that'd indicate romantic feelings?!
Also, I couldn't help but roll my eyes when W talked about a soul deep connection with Sean. Like, weren't you convinced that you're gonna die at his hands a couple days earlier? Did that blow to the head with a helmet give him amnesia... How exactly did he come by that infinite well of trust?
And then there's that instant coma recovery… though the reason for B waking up was really funny:) I mean it had to be at least 8-10 weeks right? And they still look identical? - no complications, no scarring, no weight loss?
Thankfully, Dan and Yok still make sense to me. Dan's story surprised me a little, because I thought he would've left the police if he'd killed someone. Still, I get his reasoning. I like that they have opposite views with yok, yet seem to complement each other. Unar's mural in this ep was pretty great. Gotta say ep7 is still my favourite by far:)

There are so many great stills online captured by people from the last two eps, it made me again appreciate the directing and cinematography. The camera stays so close to these guys, it really doesn't let us miss much. Maybe that's part of why people got so riled up about DanYok early on. Their interactions are full of extreme close-ups with such tight framing that you can't help but be drawn in and feel for them:) I'm really curious about the next series 'the forbidden' P'Nuchy is making with Josh Kim for hbo. I've just watched Josh's 'how to win at checkers (every time)' and liked how he kept the tension high throughout the film. Emotions + tension seems like a good recipe for a thriller.

You mean, as if he suspected the twins to be switching places with each other? That's a disturbing thought… That's not much of a proof though.They could just duplicate the marks on the other brother's hand. Lol I guess he got the leaning kissably close to check for contact lenses part right;)

Maybe people who watched this movie are just more objective in their ratings, than those who shower the popular dramas with 10s. I think 7.8 is a pretty high rating once you take it away from MDL context. This site has a weird algorithm that prioritises popularity and a lot of people who forget it's a 10* scale, not 5*. I've seen so many people bashing a show and then giving it 7 as a low rating. Then others rate everything they liked 10. I usually check the comments here, but the ratings on other sites.

I'd love to spend a day in Chai Jidan's head. She comes up with the wackiest stuff;)

I've no idea how their connection works - I claim creative license on that;) I'm not gonna defend my first post, I know how unlikely it is:) Still, B's a mystery, involved in sth dangerous, and the brothers haven't kept in touch. It's at least plausible to me that he'd think the end justifies the means.

The mother - I meant now, not 15 years ago. Sorry, but I feel like a lot of what you wrote is just guesswork. How do you know what B would do or how he feels? We and W barely know anything about who B is - the boys didn't keep in touch. And was it proven so far in the show that Todd lied about sth? I can't recall anything. Not saying your theory isn't right, just that mine would be more fun;)

Of course you can fake a coma ...on TV ..I'm sure a soap opera somewhere proved it. I'm not questioning that he got seriously beaten up, only the coma part

You forgot to add 'in my opinion';P I wrote the above as just a bit of fun. But if T, who everyone and their mother suspects from ep1, will indeed turn out to be it - I'd be majorly disappointed. I love how unpredictable this series is - I never know what to expect from next episode, let alone the ending:) So I do hope they have a better twist in store for us than that. My serious opinion is that we know so little about B's past, anyone can be a suspect:) We haven't even met the mother yet or know why they're estranged.

My theory is that B was never in a coma. I think he got beat up. Then together with Todd decided to bring W in to assume his identity - to keep the heat off himself and free him up to do whatever he was doing in the first place:) With Todd's connections they could've just bought off the hospital staff, etc. to dupe White. I do know it's incredibly far-fetched thank you:D But that's the only scenario I can come up with that would explain why only Todd seems to know about B's condition, there was no police inquiry which would've meant the gang got questioned, mother's disinterest, and why Todd didn't just use his money to hire a team of private investigators to solve the case - that is if the coma is a scam:) Wouldn't that be a good twist?

Slightly;P Maybe I'm projecting but adding intimacy on top of that secret feels like a much heavier burden to me. You know, my comment is only half-serious. I know we need the mystery alive for the sake of the plot:) But I genuinely felt like their dynamic got slightly rewritten there.They were so awkward with each other last ep and now suddenly the trust is there and boundaries are down? and W just casually caresses Sean's ear like he does it every other day... Btw my problem is not with S having issues. I just wish W would've called him out on it, instead of giving him a pass because he's already 'suffering inside'. Let's help Sean, not enable him. Though it does seem to be in character for White;)

Really? He gave me mostly 'good guy' vibes. I don't think he meant to cry:) more like a reaction to baring himself both literally and figuratively, and not having to pretend in front of yok. Looks like he carries a lot of guilt that ties to his art. Maybe he's witnessed Tawi or another privileged person get away with a crime, and could do nothing about it as a cop, so the art became his outlet for these emotions.

Wow the comments section exploded lol.
On that rooftop when White said: „Sean, have you ever thought about” I was sure he's gonna finish with „...going to therapy?” I liked the other thing they did too... But seriously, Sean has issuuueeesss. Probably why he's my favourite:) And hey finally White fought back! Sort of... but talking about trust and yet not telling Sean who he is? Tsk tsk. Well, Sean didn't tell him he knows/suspects either… they're such a mess I swear. Btw, I thought they were building up to an angry make-out session, not this emotional closeness… where did that come from. The casual caressing of the ear gave me a little pause at first. Not that I'm exactly complaining… well…;)
Best line in this ep: "if you don't put away that pillow, I'll assume you're thinking about sth other than art"😂 Yok's killing me. I'm thrilled with their storyline ...and I'm more than ready for real B to join the party!

This made me laugh! I agree with both of your comments:D

I was a little disappointed that the motive didn't tie in well with the type of attack. For all these loops they were fighting so hard to blow up this bus… But wouldn't it have made more sense revenge-wise to put bombs under the driver's/police officers cars for example - instead of killing off a bunch of random people in a bus, 5 years after the accident with their daughter?

Finally a series I could watch with my partner who dislikes C-dramas:) A very enjoyable drama, especially in later episodes.

Some strong points:
- Well-written characters. Big draw for me was that most of these characters felt like someone I might have met in real life. The main pair frustrated me at first with their bumbling efforts, but once I let go of my expectations and saw them as young people who let the emotions get the better of them (a lot of the time:)), they drew me in.
- Pretty good acting all around. ZJM felt a little lifeless to me at first but she came out of her shell beautifully in later episodes. BJT has pretty good comedic timing and I loved his not very southern accent:)
- Well-constructed story with a fair share of funny and heartwarming moments, and no logical errors. I liked that the story turned out to be completely different from what I expected with a lot of screentime given to people's life stories. A few of these made me really emotional, even more so because the show doesn't try to be melodramatic. Life's just unfair sometimes...
- Beautiful Xiamen!!!! I love this city. Spent some of the best years of my life there<3

A few problems I had with this drama:
- The beginning dragged. The story unfolded too slowly - some early episodes passed without unveiling any new info. I think the problem is with the directing. I can see how scenes like the one in the hospital or police questioning from the first loop could be written as suspenseful. I just don't think the director pulled it off.
- The mystery was too predictable. I've guessed quite a lot of the events in the story, including who was the guilty party. It's always disappointing when those you suspect turn out to be it.
One more thing in spoiler.