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One more thing I am going to add, before I watch episodes 10 and 11:

To me, Squid is the person behind the message. Squid is not necessarily the person who killed the two scientists, unless I know Jiang Yuwen's status. Squid can have a collaborator but given the egos involved, Squid is a leader with no equal.

Mo Yuanzhi is Squid as per the announcement to protect himself from Jiang Yuwen, or he is Squid because he wants to succeed in his goal as per my profiling.

Professor You remembers seeing Mo Yuanzhi kill Jiang Yuwen. We have footage showing the lab was blown up, but no sign of Jiang Yuwen's body, which implies Jiang Yuwen survived in the only way possible: He faked his own death and left as a firefighter. The only way to reconcile these two scenarios is that Professor You saw a murder happen at least twice in the first four loops, and Jiang Yuwen blew up the lab in the fifth loop to escape Mo Yuanzhi. This would imply Jiang Yuwen and Mo Yuanzhi have Ding Qi's ability and given enough time (since they are both significantly older than Ding Qi and thus have more time with the same talent), both of them should be able to figure out how to predict time loops so they are both time-loopers.

My above theory depends on whether Jiang Yuwen is still alive and biding the time to kill Mo Yuanzhi. If Jiang Yuwen is responsible for the two scientists' deaths, then the Squid announcement is Mo Yuanzhi trying to protect himself against Jiang Yuwen. I don't think it would be Jiang Yuwen taunting Mo Yuanzhi because if Mo Yuanzhi is so dangerous, I as Jiang Yuwen would rather kill Mo Yuanzhi than let him know I'm trying to kill him after surviving four murder attempts (unless Jiang Yuwen is so egoistical that he would send such an announcement that would definitely be submitted to the cops for viewing).

If Jiang Yuwen is alive, he is trying to do Mo Yuanzhi in. And Mo Yuanzhi is trying to protect himself but also do in Jiang Yuwen because Mo Yuanzhi realises from the two deaths that he is next, and the only person who could successfully do so must be Jiang Yuwen whose body was never found.

Once we have two time-loopers earnestly trying to do each other in and no longer experimental with the first three loops, drastic changes will be occurring in the fourth loop. It's like playing Go in time-travel 5D.

We're having a back-and-forth about episodes 7 to 9 in an earlier thread. I don't think the primary suspect for Squid is the missing supervisor Jiang Yuwen.

The motives of people can usually be condensed into one sentence, while the methodology of achieving their desires can be as complex or successful/unsuccessful as possible:

"I want ---- BECAUSE ------ "

We are driven by emotions. The most logical or psychopathic person might be able to minimise and evaluate and balance their emotions into becoming logical justification, but the underlying driving factor is still emotional.

I would draw two mindmaps after seeing such a message from Squid:

1) Who would want Mo Yuanzhi dead, if Squid is Mo Yuanzhi's enemy as the message proclaims.

2) Who benefits most from throwing the cops off-track with this message, and why.

Motive of Yu Yinghua (he was my primary suspect) matches 1 and 2: "I want to protect my daughter BECAUSE she needs to be free from Mo Yuanzhi." (And I would profit because she inherits everything if he dies, plus I will eventually control Moma)

Motive of Jiang Yuwen: I am jealous of him/I want him dead BECAUSE he tried to kill me. (Problem with this: Why would Jiang Yuwen go into hiding for years, before trying to get rid of Mo Yuanzhi? What does this say about Mo Yuanzhi?)

Motive of Mo Yuanzhi: I want to be able to do what I want without interference BECAUSE I am a hardworking genius who deserves what I achieved primarily by my own efforts. (My wife is opposing me (such as through the other two scientists in Moma), and I want to get rid of her.)

Motive of Yu Shiya: I want to be free of Mo Yuanzhi BECAUSE I am afraid of what he can do to me.

Han Yu Fei and Tang Xin don't strike me as having sufficient motives and they are too young. They could be collaborators at most, but they don't have the craftiness that we are seeing about Squid.

Based on the murders of the two scientists being easily mistaken as an accident in the most subtle ways, Ding Qi is looking for someone who is good with planning right down to the small details and already knows how to predict loop days, which also means that someone had this ability for significantly longer than Ding Qi. We know this time loop ability can affect someone as a student. That is why my primary suspect has to be a person significantly older than Ding Qi to fit all the criteria: Yu Yinghua, possibly Jiang Yuwen, or Mo Yuanzhi.

I cannot find sufficient motive for An Lan or Yu Shiya to be Squid, also because their profiling doesn't match. Yu Shiya is also not smart enough to fit the profile of the person Ding Qi is hunting for.

What if Squid is someone else and not Mo Yuanzhi? Mo Yuanzhi is still very suspicious because it would be weird to kill two top scientists and not go after the CEO plus the company. The message from Squid seen by the cops would therefore also help to throw them off the tracks of Squid, if Mo Yuanzhi is trying to palm the liability of being a suspect onto someone else.

The message became my pivotal point of suspicions about Squid because it is too obviously jarring. If I am Jiang Yuwen or Yinghua who wants to kill Mo Yuanzhi for whatsoever reason because I know Mo Yuanzhi is dangerous, I just want to kill Mo Yuanzhi and not be daft enough to announce it to the person I want to kill.

Based on the message and what unfolded in episodes 8 and 9, Mo Yuanzhui is now slightly ahead of Yu Yinghua and Jiang Yuwen in my evaluation, as the primary suspect to be Squid.

Motive of Ding Qi : I want to protect as many lives as possible, especially those I care for.

By episode 11, I should be able to crystalise my guesswork. I have not yet read the novel for this drama.

https://kisskh.at/766293-give-me-five#comment-23512860

Looking forward to it!

arpar and I are exchanging guesswork about Squid, Jiang Yuwen and one more character here (after watching episodes 8 and 9 yesterday). Feel free to weigh in: https://kisskh.at/766293-give-me-five#comment-23507178

The motives of people can usually be condensed into one sentence, while the methodology of achieving their desires can be as complex or successful/unsuccessful as possible:

"I want ---- BECAUSE ------ "

We are driven by emotions. The most logical or psychopathic person might be able to minimise and evaluate and balance their emotions into becoming logical justification, but the underlying driving factor is still emotional.

I would draw two mindmaps after seeing such a message from Squid:

1) Who would want Mo Yuanzhi dead, if Squid is Mo Yuanzhi's enemy as the message proclaims.

2) Who benefits most from throwing the cops off-track, and why.

Motive of Yu Yinghua (he was my primary suspect) matches 1 and 2: "I want to protect my daughter BECAUSE she needs to be free from Mo Yuanzhi." (And I would profit because she inherits everything if he dies, plus I will eventually control Moma)

Motive of Jiang Yuwen: I am jealous of him/I want him dead BECAUSE he tried to kill me. (Problem with this: Why would Jiang Yuwen go into hiding for years, before trying to get rid of Mo Yuanzhi? What does this say about Mo Yuanzhi?)

Motive of Mo Yuanzhi: I want to be able to do what I want without interference BECAUSE I am a hardworking genius who deserves what I achieved primarily by my own efforts. (My wife is opposing me (such as through the other two scientists in Moma), and I want to get rid of her.)

Motive of Yu Shiya: I want to be free of Mo Yuanzhi BECAUSE I am afraid of what he can do to me.

Han Yu Fei and Tang Xin don't strike me as having sufficient motives and they are too young. They could be collaborators at most, but they don't have the craftiness that we are seeing about Squid.

Based on the murders of the two scientists being easily mistaken as an accident in the most subtle ways, Ding Qi is looking for someone who is good with planning right down to the small details and already knows how to predict loop days, which also means that someone had this ability for significantly longer than Ding Qi. We know this time loop ability can affect someone as a student. That is why my primary suspect has to be a person significantly older than Ding Qi to fit all the criteria: Yu Yinghua, possibly Jiang Yuwen, or Mo Yuanzhi.

I cannot find sufficient motive for An Lan or Yu Shiya to be Squid, also because their profiling doesn't match.

What if Squid is someone else and not Mo Yuanzhi? Mo Yuanzhi is still very suspicious because it would be weird to kill two top scientists and not go after the CEO plus the company. The message from Squid seen by the cops would therefore also help to throw them off the tracks of Squid, if Mo Yuanzhi is trying to palm the liability of being a suspect onto someone else.

The message became my pivotal point of suspicions about Squid because it is too obviously jarring. If I am Jiang Yuwen or Yinghua who wants to kill Mo Yuanzhi for whatsoever reason because I know Mo Yuanzhi is dangerous, I just want to kill Mo Yuanzhi and not be daft enough to announce it to the person I want to kill.

Based on the message and what unfolded in episodes 8 and 9, Mo Yuanzhui is now slightly ahead of Yu Yinghua and Jiang Yuwen in my evaluation, as the primary suspect to be Squid.

Motive of Ding Qi : I want to protect as many lives as possible, especially those I care for.

By episodes 10 and 11, I should be able to guess. I have not yet read the novel for this drama.

Your theories are pretty good. My reply to this is also about profiling, after watching episode 8 and 9 yesterday:

I have finished episodes 8 and 9.

If you have not watched any of those two episodes and you don't want spoilers, come back to this comment later.

I'm still using my pivotal point being Squid's message viewed by the cops about killing Mo Yuanzhi and destroying Moma as something I don't believe about Squid. With such messages and the medium as per the situation, it's to take the message as it is but still suspect the motives of the messenger not necessarily matching what has been sent. The cops would be made aware of this message from Squid, so I would take what is said with a giant pinch of salt since everyone is a suspect.

If what Mo Yuanzhi says is true about replacing Yu Shiya's father as her backbone (she didn't answer him back) and if Yu Yinghua doesn't show up as a character by episode 11, then the person I will suspect as Squid is:

1) Jiang Yuwen whose body we don't have

2) Mo Yuanzhi

Your theories could be correct. Jiang Yuwen could be trying to kill Mo Yuanzhi, and they are both time perceivers. Why I say Mo Yuanzhi could be Squid comes from the first loop of Ding Qi protecting him. Ding Qi is trying to catch someone with the same power as him. That person would know the first four loops don't count and if they wanted to completely ensure Ding Qi doesn't suspect them, make the bomb go off at the wedding and take out most of the team plus Mo Yuanzhi.

If Jiang Yuwen or Yu Yinghua was Squid, he would want to ensure the bomb at the wedding would happen by the fifth loop, and would never trigger it as a possibility for the first four loops, definitely not in the first loop. Yu Yinghua has a good motive to want to protect his daughter. Jiang Yuwen... Why would Jiang Yuwen vanish? Is Jiang Yuwen actually still alive?

If Mo Yuanzhi was Squid, triggering the bomb at the wedding in the first loop would be ideal to ensure Ding Qi doesn't suspect him.

What does Mo Yuanzhi want?

What does Jiang Yuwen (if that one is alive) want?

I am curious about what Yu Shiya was horrified to see in the most-restricted area of the Moma lab, which only Mo Yuanzhi can access. Was it a body part of Jiang Yuwen?

We have some soupy looks and at one point, FL tries to briefly address the elephant in the room. ML just as briefly doesn't address it. Primarily having normal platonic conversations. That's where we are at, for seven episodes.

Very tiny, since nothing has gotten off the ground.

My current theory is as follows:

I don't believe Squid's entire message about killing MYZ and destroying Moma. If there is a personal vendetta against MYZ, destroying MYZ and depriving him of everything he has would suffice including taking over Moma. I reckon Han Yu Fei may believe he is very smart, but he does not know he is a cog in Squid's system. Moma has a cash flow issue. I am wondering whether anyone in Volly would be colluding with anyone in Moma about taking over Moma. Yu Yinghua?

Professor You would need enough instigation to enable all the chaos to happen at the talk, even if he already carries enough grievances against MYZ (which we have yet to figure out is legit or not). I would like to know about Yu Yinghua, the father of Yu Shiya. Yu Yinghua might have all the pieces and knowledge of decades for this situation to be Squid. As to motivations, he's a father and a "famed investor". How did he make his money?

If Squid is An Lan, Ding Qi's heart would break but I don't think Squid is An Lan or Yu Shiya. Maggie is sus but I believe she is answering to someone. Sometimes, it is best when the leader or colluding leaders appear as a follower, also because Squid would not want Ding Qi to have enough clues to win in the fifth loop. So currently, my biggest reservations are for Yu Yinghua and Tang Xin. Unless Yu Shiya knows who Squid is ie her father, and does not want MYZ to be killed and hence wants to get MYZ off the board.

Thank you for letting out what's been stewing in your mind, and being on your way after leaving this comment to let people know you won't have to "insist on watching his dramas" due to his appeal- Who is forcing you to watch Bai Jingting? If you have a problem with Luo Yunxi's acting, take it to his fan page or a drama page where he's starred/starring and expound on your issues with his acting. I suggest you parse your opinion on the "Whispers Of Fate" drama page after that drama starts airing in end-October, if Luo Yunxi also weighs heavily on your mind.

With Bai Jing Ting, he's obviously fit and healthy from working out to maintain a physique. "Gaunt" is completely off. I don't know where you're coming from, with "effeminate". A detective is usually not supposed to stand out, otherwise it's hard to catch criminals on the job. And when they do, it's for the screen, not for RL. Bai Jingting is doing well on this front of not being obvious on the job, and also conveying the necessary for the audience.

Based on the previous loops before episode 7, in ep 3 Mo Yuanzhi's wife Yu Shiya collapsed and fainted at seeing his body. Miss third-largest-shareholder was teary (I have not yet ruled her out). Han Yu Fei did not appear to have any reaction to Mo Yuanzhi's death. Han Yu Fei has ultimately encouraged Miss third-largest-shareholder to support Mo Yuanzhi, and persuaded Yu Shiya to vote against Mo Yuanzhi. Of course, everything he has said this far to each of them is nothing to suspect.

You're right that in episode 4, Ding Qi said the line to Professor You, and Professor You remembered this "in a dream", then came to a different conclusion for his goals in another loop, to take the drastic actions he did in episode 7. Squid should be able to have the same effect on people by interacting and also talking to them.

At least in "Beloved", I had a somewhat concrete guess by the end of episode 11 as to who was responsible. I will need to see episode 8 and 9, for any guesswork to be viable.

Thank you for the link! I've taken a look, and it is promising. As an IQiyi VIP member, I should be able to watch all the episodes there. Will start after Mobius. This Director is definitely making my drama-watching easier.

Song Jia Teng was also in "Always On The Move" with Bai Jingting. The contrast in their interactions for both dramas is interesting XD

"Mobius" is making my braincells work harder than the recent Light-On drama "Beloved". If you like crime thrillers with a strong psychological bend and strong human interest angle, check that out.

Near the end of episode 7, when Professor You speaks of someone saying to him in a dream "A life for a life, is it worth it?".... Feels like an important clue to the time loop individual whom Ding Qi is trying to identify and catch. I think another character said this in the previous 6 episodes, but I can't be sure.

The team in ep 7 is adorable, as they try to figure out Ding Qi's ability enabling them to solve cases. Also smiling (then cracking up) at the subtly sweet moments which can include comedy between Ding Qi and An Lan (such as when she asks him in Cantonese why he's here in the lab, and he answers XD)

Something feels very off about Han Yu Fei (to me), the so-called playboy who is much sharper than he appears. In Ep 4 at 10:00 when he is talking to his deceased father, it should all be straightforward in terms of what has been presented as him believing his father was murdered by the unknown identity know as Squid, and him wanting to catch his father's murderer. I have to question why this moment is in the drama. But right now, I cannot figure it out. Does Squid know Mo Yuanzhi's wife?

Episodes 8 and 9 are going to be terrific. How is this drama only 16 episodes?!

Episode 7 thoughts:

Thank you for the summary and details. I don't do romance-first dramas, so The First Frost is something I'll consider for another time. I'm the kind who reckons the Screenwriter and Director are as important as the cast.

I've watched a fair number of Jackie Chan's older films, Jet Li's older films and my favourite HK time period for films was the late 80s to the 90s. I enjoyed the recent IQiyi Light On drama "Beloved", a welcome change from "This Thriving Land" which I also enjoyed but TTL was more bleak.

The two historicals or Always On The Move sounds good. I think I'll go with Always On The Move first.

It is very cool. This Director should have helped to co-direct "The Shadow's Edge", which I watched in the cinema. He would definitely improve the story bloat and camerawork for the action choreography.

Once you add the right music and captions, Loop 5 of the bank heist in episode 1 will never stop being funny: https://m.weibo.cn/status/5210103649144512

Any recommendations on what drama of his I can watch, after Mobius?

Did you watch "The Shadow's Edge" in the cinema? It was a high-octane tech-savvy crime thriller weaving in a visual love letter to Macau, and I think the movie could have borrowed a leaf or two from the director of "Mobius" when it comes to streamlining the story. That said, Jackie Chan and Tony Leung were on fire there.

Thanks for sharing the info. Episode 1 was really nostalgic. Great mix of action and humour while introducing our down-to-earth ML. Love the cantonese and camerawork.