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Yep exactly, all secrets out in ep 14, divorce ep 15 or 16. I messaged you with more info and spoilers. And true, we begin to see more of his trauma in ep 12.

Even though Guan Zi Jing is playing a villain, the dude is still funny man, like in ep 12. He's just so comedic. I love it though, nice little breather. I hope he doesn't turn into a psycho ex when she moves on. Wan Peng facial expressions are also so good, she conveys so much annoyance in him with just a couple looks.

Hahaha I know what you mean sometimes things are so bad they're good 😂

We saw flashes of it in ep 12 and I do feel for him, never easy loosing someone you love, will be interesting to understand fully what happened.

No it's fair enough, I think he should draw a clean line, and I think he will. I think after the divorce, when he realizes his love for FL, it will help him move on from Fang Lie's sister, and once that happens, then Fang Lie will have no control over him anymore and he will be able to totally disregard her.

Thats ok, you're entitled to your opinion, it's fair enough. I just think it's not easy let go of those connections after his loss. He obviously still feels guilt because of her sister, so he feels a burden to take her of her because of her sister.

So true! I love their relationship now, the little meals they have together now and chatting openly. And her sister always saying how she will support and protect her, gotta love it.

This is going so be super hypocritical after my comment before on ML and understanding peoples pain and backstory but after ep 12 screw it 😂, Fang Lei needs psychiatric help, she needs to be put in a straight jacket and locked up away from ML, only then will I take the time to try and understand her. But it shows, she was out of order before her sister's death, she might be inexcusable. Idk where her obsession comes from. Dramas are all about emotions anyway and these are mine for her.

Side note, I noticed in ep 12 in Fang Lie's apartment, everything seems very adult and grown up decorations, expect her living room with the colored couches, it seems almost child like. Possibly showing how she stuck in the past, unable to move on, that one section just struck me as super contrasting o the rest of the apartment.

Hahaha so true, you know the explosion is coming, as we get closer and closer the suspense gets better

Hahaha thats pretty cool, must make badly shot cdramas with bad dialogue particularly annoying for you 😂 but I agree, the director has done a great job here

Yeh absolutely insane

100%, the director said they were going for a realistic urban couple and life, and lets be honest, if you a CEO raised by strict and competitive parents or went though what FL went though, you're not going to be perfect. You will be flawed, and thats what makes this drama good.

Hahaha no problem, yeh mostly FL, but good point on the panning back to ML now and then. Its smart camera work showing us there's more beneath the surface for him, good catch.

Side note, end of ep 11, introducing that brother and sister duo with so much fanfare and aura, makes me nervous, I can't tell if they're friends or foes, I'm thinking foe, but they were pretty interesting in ep 12, hope they turn out to be friends.

Roughly if the schedule stays the same, October 10th, not including express, with express a couple days before that

Yeh well put, just like reading a good book, forming opinions and theories as you go along, but you shouldn't finalize anything before you reach the end. Hope you're enjoying the show.

Hahaha true true, it is a great show, I can't wait for the post-divorce era and him chasing FL relentlessly 😂saw a spoiler photo of them both dressed up in pink barbie cowboy outfits shooting a scene, can't wait for that

Yeh in a spoiler clip, we see ML loved a woman previously (I think Fang Lie's sister), but she dies and he's distraught, still keeps a keepsake of hers. So he has trauma as well, but we don't see that yet, (spoiler clip not shown in the drama yet). All we see is him scheming and manipulating FL without knowing his backstory, but we know all about her painful backstory. So yeh I agree, would be nice to see his POV, I think it should come soon, but I think would have been really cool if we swapped between them and saw their different POV's and thoughts at the same time.

Yeh but there was a reuter going around of them filming a kissing scene so that jokes started from that, so I think it's only minor, minor romance but still there. But that was just a Reuter, whether it's in the final cut or not, we'll see.

I commented this in reply to someone else but I feel like I want to mention it again, regarding the ML, and this is just my opinion:

We watch the show in FL's perspective. So even though she lies and manipulates, we have seen her backstory, seen her painful childhood and understand her motives are pure. So even though she lies and manipulates, we support her, because we understand her and understand the reasons for why she lies. Where as for ML, it's a mystery. Spoiler clips and hints tell us he has a tragic backstory regarding Fang Lie's sister that drowned. He also has a painful past, but because we haven't seen his backstory or understand his past and his reasons for his lies and secrets, we judge him more harshly than the FL.

Now imagine this is flipped, we started the show on the ML's POV. We see his tragic backstory, understand his pain and why he does what he does. Then we see the FL we know nothing about, all we know is she is a liar and manipulator. We would hate her as well.

I'm not saying what the ML has done is not despicable. It definitely is, and he needs to redeem himself. But before we judge him, lets give the show time to allow us to understand him, lets see the pains he's gone through and understand why he is, the way he is now. I hope the show gives the ML the same amount of depth and good story writing that they gave FL (I believe they will).

They both need to heal from the past, independently. And from the looks FL is further along that road. But slowly, as he heals, I believe ML will redeem himself. I believe ML was not born as a liar and manipulator, same as FL. They were both shaped by traumatic past events, so let's see what ML's trauma was before we judge him too harshly.

Anyway, just my opinion, looking forward to seeing how everything plays out.