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I need to say this, because not enough people are, and it’s frustrating to watch a show like this go underappreciated. There’s a certain kind of viewer who treats dramas like a checklist. They flood MDL asking, “Do they break up? Is there a second lead? Is it angsty or sweet?”. And when it doesn’t, they tune out. These people aren’t watching dramas, they’re screening for comfort. And honestly, that mindset is a big reason why this drama, and many others like it, don’t get rated as highly as they deserve and also why you see people complaining about story elements that are clearly intentional.

Because this drama doesn’t cater to those cookie cutter expectations. It’s dark. It’s vengeful. It’s driven by fury and power plays. The leads aren’t just flawed, they’re villain-coded in the truest sense. There’s no redemption arc. The female lead straight-up commits murder. That kind of storytelling, especially for a female character in a C-drama, is practically unheard of.

And I say this as someone who loves romance. But I’m not watching this for swoons. I’m watching because it’s different. Because her character feels like an outlet for people who carry excess rage, the kind of person who just wants to see everything burn. People like me. Not the ones who want to be comforted by a familiar storyline.

Sure, some of the writing leans a little too convenient. But in the bigger picture, that doesn’t matter. What matters is that in a dramaland oversaturated with righteous, selfless, endlessly loving leads, this one is just rage. And that deserves to be seen. And praised for what it is.

yeah I can't think of any fl who also committed murder the way she did. in terms of characterization, her type is rare in the cdrama universe. its entertaining

You’ve clearly missed the point every single time. At this stage, it’s not even worth correcting, you’re just not built for this conversation. Stick to surface-level takes. This one’s way above your head.

At this point, if you still don’t understand the issue, that’s not a lack of clarity on my part, it’s a lack of comprehension on yours. I’ve already explained this multiple times, slowly and thoroughly. If you can’t keep up, just say that. If your brain can’t process nuance beyond “she didn’t hug a kid = bad woman,” then respectfully, this conversation is above your level.

Isn’t it crazy how someone’s appearance can become so ugly once you learn their true identity? His face makes me want to vomit, he looks so sleazy.

Exactly. It’s wild how people are so quick to jump on her for not reciprocating a hug, as if she didn’t just watch 6 people die in the span of two days. Like, hello? She’s probably in shock, traumatized, grieving in real time. But nope, all of that gets thrown aside because a woman didn’t perform emotional availability on cue. The entitlement to her tenderness, even in her own pain, is the most tired, gendered expectation. And to have these takes while watching a drama that is clearly feminist? That’s some Olympic-level mental backflipping. crazy work

You’re missing the point. What is misogynistic is the assumption that a woman automatically becomes a mother just because she’s married to someone with a child. No one would place the same emotional expectations on a man who marries into fatherhood and doesn’t immediately bond with his stepchild. This isn’t about parenting, it’s about how fast and unquestioningly we expect women to give of themselves.

The issue isn’t about failing as a parent. It’s about being forced into parenthood by societal expectation, without consent, space, or care. That pressure is not neutral, it disproportionately falls on women. That’s where the misogyny lies. And honestly, the mental gymnastics you’re doing to miss that? I don’t know if you’re just unaware, or actually committed to misunderstanding the point so you can keep pretending it’s about morals instead of gendered expectations.

its internalized misogyny, how dare a woman not be a mother. they wouldn’t have cared if the roles were reversed

boooo

If you think Han Yan was in the wrong for not reciprocating her stepdaughter’s affection, that’s misogyny. Full stop. It’s rooted in the idea that women owe love, care, and maternal energy just because they’re women. How can you expect a young woman, who just lost her own mother, to suddenly become one? There’s something deeply insidious about the way society demands motherliness from women as if it’s automatic or obligatory. That’s not compassion. That’s internalized misogyny. Check yourself.

im on episode 19 and its definitely not going downhill for me. still very solid

episode 18 is just incredible....no words just chills

her dad is starting to creep me out...

Loving Duling’s performance here, nailed this character

let me put you on, Filter. it was excellent, highly underrated.

Thanks for confirming! One more validation for the ego bank next time someone tells me I’m wrong when I say someone looks like someone. 🤣

Did anyone else feel off about the arc with the 15 year old courtesan? First of all, its strange no one bats an eye but making her a rival to Boonta, the female lead, felt extra strange. Why is Boonta, an adult woman, being portrayed as jealous of a 15 year old?

Maybe they were aiming for realism, but there was a nonchalance to the way its addressed that felt off, especially since the show didn’t seem critical of it. Boonta is supposed to be a modern woman shouldn’t she have said something? Or at least reacted differently to a 15 yr old doing s work in a brothe!? Plus that old woman who said something along the lines of meh that’s normal, there are even younger courtesans. And the the madam?? who sold her off?? and we, the viewers are supposed to just be cool with the madam??

This drama is truly excellent. The pacing and storytelling are top-notch, with no dull moments throughout. It’s a lighthearted sci-fi with hints of mystery, yet it carries an underlying social message. The acting is outstanding, and the characters are incredibly charming and wholesome. The soundtrack is amazing, and Jian Ci is such a cutie I’m officially a fan. This show is severely underrated!

if you look closer he kinda has the same traits as Zhang Xin Cheng the could pass as siblings

No, this is about women’s empowerment. Women have not yet been fully liberated and do not stand on equal footing with men. Erasing their struggle and collapsing their experience under a universal umbrella disregards the reality of gendered oppression. FL is living a distinctly female experience, and her struggles are deeply rooted in gender dynamics.