grapejuice

This is interesting. The tone around her certainly did change. I wouldn't have said that she became dull but she did undergo a transition. She became resigned and then slowly that changed to acceptance. She mellowed and became more calm and tranquil. More like a Bodhisattva. And so she sat back more and watched more as her life evened out and they all became more mature.

I would like to have been taken into more of her plays because they would have taken us into her thoughts and her heart when she became more interior and more Buddha like.

I think it was deliberate though. quite deliberate. In order to accept everything that comes your way in life. The good and the bad. The easy and the excruciatingly hard. In order to live well and not experience a lot of suffering because you're constantly fighting what is happening. In order to let go of things that you treasured without more undue suffering ... this is what a Buddhist would do.

Become more placid. More monk-like. A little bit removed.

there are no last moment memories once she lies down on the bed ...

But when she's looking out into the yard, seeing everyone doing different things, and then they disappear one or two at a time --- presumably she's remembering them all dying as time passed ... or we're being shown who dies and who lives longest

during that whole scene ... there are no men shown at all ... not her grandfather, either of her fathers, no scholar han or lu, none of them ...

So it's not like her family is remembered and LJQ is the only person that she isn't remembering ... she's JUST remembering the women in her life because they are, presumably her focus ... the ones she's concerned about the most ... the ones she's written about ... the ones she's written for .... None of the men are shown. Not just LJQ.

Obviously, the women are the people that she most remembers and grieves the loss of ...

If we'd actually seen it we would have winced and felt some sympathy. But less so if we just hear about it. Then it's ok to laugh louder.

That crossed my mind a number of times. And the fact that she's an introvert.

When she entered the Lin household the first time, there was a chance for her to escape. But the second time, no, there was no hope of her ever again being completely in control her own identity, her own life, and where she would live it. She wanted to be that eagle but it could never happen again.

I don't think we have much company but I thought the same thing. She was thinking about the owing rather than whether they should spend the next life together. She was saying that he didn't owe her anything anymore. He had paid for his sins and he had matched everything she had done for him. She was thinking that they don't owe each other anything anymore and/or it doesn't matter anymore because they're past all that..

I mean she didn't know that he was going to breathe his last breath a minute later and she doesn't want him to feel bad anymore. I don't think she fully understood that he really was proposing to her for their next life because he knew that he was about to leave the one that they had been sharing. We'll never know what her clear answer would have been if she had known that this was an ending and he was really preparing for his next life.

But I like what you noticed... that he was scared, that if there were no outstanding debts left for him to pay ... then she might not seek him out in the next life. But he doesn't need to owe her anything for them to meet again. And maybe also, he doesn't need to lock her into their next marriage. She allows him to wrap her in the red thread of fate, so they will definitely meet again.

My understanding of what I heard was different than the others I read so I thought I would share it.. I'm allowed to speak too. It isn't really a yes or no question

wow. I saw her in exactly the opposite way and would love to know her ... so I guess the two of us should never meet. 🙂

She doesn't continue on or die alone. He dies but she still has the family that she has created with him. It's not sad anymore than real life is sad. She goes on, with purpose, to raise her family and write many plays.

Internalized misogyny is definitely a thing that is real. The world is still male centered. And women as well as men still accept that this is the way it should be ... at least unconsciously.

There's so much evidence for these facts right here in this kind of reaction.

So, obviously we need more stories like this one ... that shift center ... in order to combat this most unfortunate phenomenon over time.

And we need to talk about it, as you suggest. And then ... we have to keep acting to do something about it. At least in our own minds ... since we can, at least, control what we have in our own minds and hearts.

One brick in the wall ... one at a time.

It betrays the fact that we all still believe a woman's life is all about love for a man. That every story about a woman must include a love story where she falls and wants to give herself away to a worthy man. We watched too many fairy tales and there was nothing to counter them. So any woman acting differently ... is some kind of an aberration. Cold. Hard. Selfish. Unfeminine. Wrong.

I believe that the writer has written it so that we'll argue over it forever. She's made it ambiguous on purpose. There's evidence for both views so you can read it both ways or some other way in the middle.

He's saying he wants to repay her in their next life ... she doesn't know he's about to die ... so she says one life was enough ... for him to repay her. He's already repaid her in this life. That's how I took it. She doesn't know that he's proposing for the next life. She's just assuring him that he no longer has anything he needs to pay her.

He says that he owes her a lot from this life (things he's done wrong and things she's done for him, I guess) so he wants to keep paying her back in the next lives. I think he means that literally and as an excuse to be with her again. He knows he's dying.

She then says that one life has been enough ... the implication not being that she's unwilling to meet him again. ... She doesn't know that he's about to die ... she doesn't know that he's making his last wishes known ... she thinks he's making a point with the red thread of fate ... that they were fated to be together ... and he's apologizing ... n

Is she taking him seriously that he's proposing they be together in their next life???

The realization quietly overtakes her when he breathes his last breath beside her... but she has already answered.

So, her answer, in my view, is that he has already re payed her in this life. She may or may not want to marry him again in a next life. She doesn't know that's what he's asking. She believes and she's saying that he has already repayed her in this life ... for his sins against her and all that she's done for him ...

Sorry @Panna. By this point in the drama, and another one I was watching, so many people had come into the comment sections asking one question, "Is there romance?" or when is the first kiss? or is there skinship ..l that I was just losing it. We had such a great drama here and that's all they wanted to know. Romance was their definition and criteria for good. Anyway, the preoccupation with romance was starting to really eat at me ....so I blew on a couple of people including you.... I apologize to you sincerely.

the author for Moonlovers and the screenwriter for AtC are the same person ... !!! she knows how to cause good pain 😊

keep watching. it's always subtle.
between the grave scene and the second wedding night ... there was a death, another death so mourning and then a two year physical separation before the celebration

lol

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