They used the rings and wedding themes in the promos because since episode 1 a potential marriage between Tharn and Type is being discussed and Tharn is seen buying the rings and Type is seen wearing the ring in season 2. The word marriage does not appear in the title of season 2. The title of season 2 is "7 Years of Love", not "Wedding after 7 Years". It appears only in the title of the special. Regarding the wedding footage, the Season 1 preview included the footage from the first Special, too, so it's nothing new.
I have always expected the wedding to be in the special. Just look at my post from almost 3 months ago. Frankly, I don't get why so many people thought that the TharnType wedding would appear in S2.
So all the ratings have dropped by 0,2-0,3 today. Goblin, My Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, Descendants of the Sun, TharnType,.. This website is a joke with zero credibility.
So all the ratings have dropped by 0,2-0,3 today. Goblin, My Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, Descendants of the Sun, TharnType,.. This website is a joke with zero credibility.
You can watch TharnType legally and support the production. These are the official links for international fans. LINE TV uploaded them all on their Facebook page:
People bemoaning the "lack of character development" in Season 2 don’t understand that character development doesn’t mean inherently changing who you are, but becoming a better version of yourself. It’s a neverending journey on which you will make countless mistakes from which you wil learn and that will make you a better person: still flawed, still perfectly imperfect.
The S2 special has the same concept as Our Final Love - an additional epilogue episode which will show TharnType living happily ever after. My guess is that we will get to see them get married, go on honeymoon and live their married life HEA.
hmm, i dont agree I remember season 1 and most comments loved TT, the first episode there was outrage over the…
I disagree. I had been in the S1 comment section since the beginning but by episode 10 I had to stop reading it altogether because some 70% of it were hater central. And frankly, it still is.
Let's face it. The haters have been bashing the series since the beginning of S1. Even if Season 2 were written by Shakespeare and directed by Taika Waititi, they'd still hate it.
To watch Season 2, you don't need to download the Line app if you don't want to. You can watch via these links. They are specifically made for International viewers. I'm from Europe and they work without any problems for me.
Frankly, I think that there are practical reasons behind the change. I suspect if MAME could proceed and continue with the story as she wrote it in her novels, she would . Unlike TharnType, she isn't the producer of LBC2, she is only in charge of the script and I suspect that Tencent Video, which is the producer and owner of the rights, being a Chinese company, had a lot to say about what she can include and what she can't. Notice, how the rating of Season 2 is no longer 18+ but only 15+? Once TinCan get together in the novel, they have many R-rated scenes so she no doubt had to cut them all. Frankly, I would be surprised if there is going to be a one genuine bed scene. Plus, TinCan go on a trip oversees in the novel, Tin's storyline with his brother is really dark and so on.
This is all about money. Because what people often forget is that someone has to pay for this and people watching for free on Youtube don't contribute a single cent for the costs of the drama. Just remember how the director was disappointed after Season 1 because he basically partially self-produced it but ended up with a thousands dollar loss. The love he got from people for uploading the series on Youtube for free didn't pay for his debt. That's reality.
Futhermore, it's almost impossible to film a second season later than one year after the first season, even more so with such a vast cast. So when people are angry why that character is played by another actor or why other character no longer appears, that's why. For more than a year, no one really expected that there's going to be a second season. There's a dozen of actors with different schedules and different personal issues. I understand people are sad and angry with what happened with Saint but that is not the fault of the writer, director or the cast. There was a huge opportunity to film this drama, albeit with changes, and they took it because the series is not only about one actor and character.
Don't be a jerk. There are people just getting into BL who don't need the spoiler. Put it under a spoiler tag
If people are watching Season 2, they know what happened in Season 1. therefore it can't be a spoiler. Who watches Season 2 before Season 1?
If you look at the summary above, it states "Kengla tries to reconcile with No" which, judging by your standards, is a huge spoiler because it reveals what happened in Season 1.
The first 9 minutes of episode 1 are a flashfoward which happens only after the TinCan break-up scene.
Every storyline (AePete, KlaNo,..) continues where it left off in Season 1 with the exception of TinCan which basically gets a reset.
I'm not putting this under spoiler because I consider it a general information, futhermore even MAME herself published this explanation on her Twitter account. This is the translation of her posts:
I actually like the way these issue were dealt with in the story. The reason why Type hates gay isn't because…
I think you misunderstand me. Thus our communication is quite unsuccessful. I never implied that people lacked the ability to analyze or intelligence. I merely said that watching a work of art is an interpretative process and that it depends on the viewer's knowledge and experience to what conclusion they will arrive.
When I talked about MAME's approach to her writing I based it on the way she described building her characters and stories from the translation of her Instagram lives. If she wanted to take only the "fluffy" questions she wouldn't have responded on social media after the criticism of the first few episodes.
As I mentioned before, only a very limited amount of information and interviews are translated into English so how can you know whether she does or does not respond to them or how she responds to them? From your question about the novel I assume that you don't speak Thai just as I.
Like you said, the only thing we'll agree on is that we disagree.
I actually like the way these issue were dealt with in the story. The reason why Type hates gay isn't because…
I don't think MAME has been ambigous about those topics in the drama, she merely used artistic and literary means to expresses it and counted on the audience's inteligence to analyze and interpret.
I've been following TharnType way before it had aired and as far as I know right after the early episodes aired and some people expressed their criticism regarding the matter the actors, MAME and the director responded to it on social media multiple times. It's been more than 7 months so I can't find them without spending substantial amount of time on it but their responses are out there.
I don't know what "panels" you've watched but from my experience, people usually use them only to ask about the NC scenes and how handsome both Mew and Gulf are, how good together they look and so on. I would blame more the journalists and the audience for failing to come up with relevant questions. My opinion is that MAME actually thinks deeply about the way she writes the characters and relationships based on her live broadcasts on Instagram. But once again you would have to search the whole Twitter for the translated snippets of those broadcasts. I think this is one of the drawbacks of being an international fan and not speaking Thai - there is a very limited amount of translated materials. And the videos and articles which are translated are usually the abovementioned ones focused on fanservice,
I actually like the way these issue were dealt with in the story. The reason why Type hates gay isn't because…
I think that the issues you have are not so much about a failure of the writer and the drama but rather your expectations of the story, fiction and communication in general. TharnType is not an educational show but fiction. And I don't mean it in the sense that it is a fantasy but rather an art. And ART IS ABOUT INTERPRETATION. Art is rarely explicit - it presents you with hints, implicitations, ambiguity... Reading books is basically about analyzing and guessing the writer's intentions.
In the scene with Khom, Type literally says: "I KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE I CONDEMMED. ...Tharn taught me IF I LEAVE OUT THE GENDER..." So everything you want there is really there but in a style suitable for fiction. That's how you express something in fiction. Saying things like: "I realize now that the man that assaulted me was a pedophile, his sexual orientation is not what made him rape me, it was his sickness" - it sounds like something from a documentary or an educational program or what people say after years of therapy. Even a real person wouldn't be so explicit. But if you compare the two quotes, everything you wanted Type to say, he says it, only leaving out the dictionary definitions.
TharnType is an R-rated show - before anything happpens, you need to read 5 sentences of warnings. It's for mature audience. The authors of fiction - be it books, movies or TV series - expect certain degree of education and cultural and shared knowledge from their viewers. Even more so in fiction meant for mature audience. R-rated doesn't mean - LOOK! THERE IS SEX AND NUDITY! - as some people tend to often misunderstand it. Authors don't expect the audience to be stupid or clueless. The main point of fiction isn't to educate people, even if it might be a secondary function, instead it's for the audience to make its own opinion, to think and to arrive to the conclusion by their own interpretation of the work.
I'm a translator with degrees in English and Translating/Interpreting. One of the state exam subjects is Pragmatics. It's not mental gymnastics. Pragmatics is one of the key aspects of language. Three of the main rules in Pragmatics are that 1) COMMUNICATION IS FINDING THE SPEAKER'S/AUTHOR'S COMMUNICATIVE INTENTION, 2) IN CONVERSATION, THERE IS ALWAYS MORE COMMUNICATED THAN IS SAID, 3) CONTEXT IS KEY. And if the receiver fails in one of those, a misunderstanding occurs.
The same can be applied to the issue with Tar. Also, in this case, do not forget that Love by Chance is the sequel of the story. It's an integral part of Tar's story and you don't watch the LOTR trilogy without The Two Towers, do you? Even years later, when Type asks Tar whether his brother knows about the rape, Tar admits he still hasn't told Tum. Type himself would prefer for him to admit the truth at least to his closest family but Tar still refuses, and thus Type doesn't push the issue because it's Tar's choice and no one else's. It's another proof that it's been Tar's choice all along. If he still can't admit it to Tum, there is no way he would be willing to go public with what happened to him.
It's normal for people to have issues even with their favourite shows but watching and reading fictional stories is always very subjective. We project our own expectations, biases, experience and education into it. So your opinion is definitely legit even if I don't agree with it, I still respect it. However, I wanted to mention the more objective aspecst here, as well.
I loved Tharntype, I had some issues with the story, but i love the cast specially the two main actors. My main…
I actually like the way these issue were dealt with in the story. The reason why Type hates gay isn't because he doesn't know the person who assaulted him was a pedophile. It's important to look at the event through the eyes of the 11-year-old boy: First, it was a man who did that to him. That is what stands out for him. It's something out of ordinary . As he grows up, he realizes that the person was a pedophile but he concentrates on the fact that it was a man. It is the same logic why women who are raped grow to despise men, as the whole gender. They are aware that the person who raped them must have been a deviant, a deranged person , a violent criminal... Deep down they know that, that all the men are not like that but the trauma is too deep. So just like those women, Type blames men - men, who have sex with other men because by his logic those who have sex with women would never do that to him. It's a logic based on real-life situation. Plus he is no longer a child so he doesn't see pedophiles as a danger to himself.
Type gradually lets go of his prejudice and homophobia throughout the whole series, but the process is slow, gradual and thus realistic. You just don't get rid of a decade of bias over a few months. There is this beautiful moment when he admits to Khom in the Special that he still isn't over his bias but he is slowly becoming more accepting of gay people. It takes him a couple of years but he gets there and becomes the biggest gay matchmaker in the LBC universe. The man got together more couples than Cupid.
Regarding Lhong and why he didn't go to jail - that's also one of the many reasons why I love TharnType so much: it doesn't depict a picture-perfect world but a realistic one. In an ideal world, he would stand a trial and would go to jail. And Type had all the proofs to send him there. But he didn't - because it wasn't about him or Tharn, it was about Tar. It was Tar's choice. He was the main victim, the person who suffered the most. And he doesn't want to go through that, he isn't ready or strong enough for that at this moment - telling his parents, his brother, and most importantly, everyone knowing what happened to him.
Trials are public, the press will get to know, they will write about it, they will talk about it on TV and thus, everyone will know - everyone in Tar's neighbourhood and school. And Type understands the harsh reality of his situation when his father was seeking justice for him - they talked about him in the newspapers, everyone who knew him pitied him,... Frankly, I think it was brilliant move from MAME to share the reality of it because it explains so much why Lhong doesn't get punish by the conventional means. And Tar's situation would be even worse than Type's ever was because Tar was a gay who was gang-raped - they would forever gossip about him, doubt him, blame him,... He would probably had to move and leave the life he so very slowly and bravely started to build again. In the end, it would be Tar who would suffer the worse fate.
I know that people will argue that someone like Lhong has to be punished by law because otherwise more victims would arise or that it sends the wrong message. It sends a realistic message - that justice can't be always achieved completely or through conventional means. Plus, the sentence for such a crime is several years so he would come out quite soon and nothing would stop him from committing the same crime again. And more importantly, he might not have been 18 at that time so the sentece might have been lower or he might not have gone to jail at all. What people sometime forget is that if Lhong tried to do anything, Type still has the recording of his confession and there is no doubt it serves as a deterrent and an insurance which he wouldn't hesitate to give to the police in such a case. If Lhong got punished by law and came out nothing would hold him back from committing revenge but holding that piece of evidence as a deterrent and making him fear punishment forever has a sound logic to it and might be more beneficial to all the victims involved.
I've been reading on twitter ( I have no way to verify it until the translated books are released) the following:1)Tum…
I haven't read the book since I don't understand Thai but I read spoilers from a reliable source who read it and all those claims are false. I mean the mere fact that they claim Tum and Tar are biological brothers should be a hint the person talks bullshit - they are STEP brothers. Furthermore, MAME herself confirmed that the drama will deviate from the book in 80-90%. Therefore any speculations based on what happened in the novel are useless anyway.
I'm 100% certain no cheating will be involved because MAME doesn't write OTPs who cheat and she is the one who…
Actually, Mame herself confirmed in one of her instragram live broadcasts that the focus will be heavily on TharnType's relationship, just like in season 1. I think the amount of time dedicated to other couples or storylines will only take the same amount of time as the TumTar relationship in season 1.
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I have always expected the wedding to be in the special. Just look at my post from almost 3 months ago. Frankly, I don't get why so many people thought that the TharnType wedding would appear in S2.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/2525229217761969/
I'm from Europe and they work without any problems for me.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/2525229217761969/
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This is all about money. Because what people often forget is that someone has to pay for this and people watching for free on Youtube don't contribute a single cent for the costs of the drama. Just remember how the director was disappointed after Season 1 because he basically partially self-produced it but ended up with a thousands dollar loss. The love he got from people for uploading the series on Youtube for free didn't pay for his debt. That's reality.
Futhermore, it's almost impossible to film a second season later than one year after the first season, even more so with such a vast cast. So when people are angry why that character is played by another actor or why other character no longer appears, that's why. For more than a year, no one really expected that there's going to be a second season. There's a dozen of actors with different schedules and different personal issues. I understand people are sad and angry with what happened with Saint but that is not the fault of the writer, director or the cast. There was a huge opportunity to film this drama, albeit with changes, and they took it because the series is not only about one actor and character.
If you look at the summary above, it states "Kengla tries to reconcile with No" which, judging by your standards, is a huge spoiler because it reveals what happened in Season 1.
Every storyline (AePete, KlaNo,..) continues where it left off in Season 1 with the exception of TinCan which basically gets a reset.
I'm not putting this under spoiler because I consider it a general information, futhermore even MAME herself published this explanation on her Twitter account. This is the translation of her posts:
https://twitter.com/rkatepuka/status/1301166440163278850
https://twitter.com/rkatepuka/status/1301167031908261888
When I talked about MAME's approach to her writing I based it on the way she described building her characters and stories from the translation of her Instagram lives. If she wanted to take only the "fluffy" questions she wouldn't have responded on social media after the criticism of the first few episodes.
As I mentioned before, only a very limited amount of information and interviews are translated into English so how can you know whether she does or does not respond to them or how she responds to them? From your question about the novel I assume that you don't speak Thai just as I.
Like you said, the only thing we'll agree on is that we disagree.
I've been following TharnType way before it had aired and as far as I know right after the early episodes aired and some people expressed their criticism regarding the matter the actors, MAME and the director responded to it on social media multiple times. It's been more than 7 months so I can't find them without spending substantial amount of time on it but their responses are out there.
I don't know what "panels" you've watched but from my experience, people usually use them only to ask about the NC scenes and how handsome both Mew and Gulf are, how good together they look and so on. I would blame more the journalists and the audience for failing to come up with relevant questions. My opinion is that MAME actually thinks deeply about the way she writes the characters and relationships based on her live broadcasts on Instagram. But once again you would have to search the whole Twitter for the translated snippets of those broadcasts. I think this is one of the drawbacks of being an international fan and not speaking Thai - there is a very limited amount of translated materials. And the videos and articles which are translated are usually the abovementioned ones focused on fanservice,
In the scene with Khom, Type literally says: "I KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE I CONDEMMED. ...Tharn taught me IF I LEAVE OUT THE GENDER..." So everything you want there is really there but in a style suitable for fiction. That's how you express something in fiction. Saying things like: "I realize now that the man that assaulted me was a pedophile, his sexual orientation is not what made him rape me, it was his sickness" - it sounds like something from a documentary or an educational program or what people say after years of therapy. Even a real person wouldn't be so explicit. But if you compare the two quotes, everything you wanted Type to say, he says it, only leaving out the dictionary definitions.
TharnType is an R-rated show - before anything happpens, you need to read 5 sentences of warnings. It's for mature audience. The authors of fiction - be it books, movies or TV series - expect certain degree of education and cultural and shared knowledge from their viewers. Even more so in fiction meant for mature audience. R-rated doesn't mean - LOOK! THERE IS SEX AND NUDITY! - as some people tend to often misunderstand it. Authors don't expect the audience to be stupid or clueless. The main point of fiction isn't to educate people, even if it might be a secondary function, instead it's for the audience to make its own opinion, to think and to arrive to the conclusion by their own interpretation of the work.
I'm a translator with degrees in English and Translating/Interpreting. One of the state exam subjects is Pragmatics. It's not mental gymnastics. Pragmatics is one of the key aspects of language. Three of the main rules in Pragmatics are that 1) COMMUNICATION IS FINDING THE SPEAKER'S/AUTHOR'S COMMUNICATIVE INTENTION, 2) IN CONVERSATION, THERE IS ALWAYS MORE COMMUNICATED THAN IS SAID, 3) CONTEXT IS KEY. And if the receiver fails in one of those, a misunderstanding occurs.
The same can be applied to the issue with Tar. Also, in this case, do not forget that Love by Chance is the sequel of the story. It's an integral part of Tar's story and you don't watch the LOTR trilogy without The Two Towers, do you? Even years later, when Type asks Tar whether his brother knows about the rape, Tar admits he still hasn't told Tum. Type himself would prefer for him to admit the truth at least to his closest family but Tar still refuses, and thus Type doesn't push the issue because it's Tar's choice and no one else's. It's another proof that it's been Tar's choice all along. If he still can't admit it to Tum, there is no way he would be willing to go public with what happened to him.
It's normal for people to have issues even with their favourite shows but watching and reading fictional stories is always very subjective. We project our own expectations, biases, experience and education into it. So your opinion is definitely legit even if I don't agree with it, I still respect it. However, I wanted to mention the more objective aspecst here, as well.
Type gradually lets go of his prejudice and homophobia throughout the whole series, but the process is slow, gradual and thus realistic. You just don't get rid of a decade of bias over a few months. There is this beautiful moment when he admits to Khom in the Special that he still isn't over his bias but he is slowly becoming more accepting of gay people. It takes him a couple of years but he gets there and becomes the biggest gay matchmaker in the LBC universe. The man got together more couples than Cupid.
Regarding Lhong and why he didn't go to jail - that's also one of the many reasons why I love TharnType so much: it doesn't depict a picture-perfect world but a realistic one. In an ideal world, he would stand a trial and would go to jail. And Type had all the proofs to send him there. But he didn't - because it wasn't about him or Tharn, it was about Tar. It was Tar's choice. He was the main victim, the person who suffered the most. And he doesn't want to go through that, he isn't ready or strong enough for that at this moment - telling his parents, his brother, and most importantly, everyone knowing what happened to him.
Trials are public, the press will get to know, they will write about it, they will talk about it on TV and thus, everyone will know - everyone in Tar's neighbourhood and school. And Type understands the harsh reality of his situation when his father was seeking justice for him - they talked about him in the newspapers, everyone who knew him pitied him,... Frankly, I think it was brilliant move from MAME to share the reality of it because it explains so much why Lhong doesn't get punish by the conventional means. And Tar's situation would be even worse than Type's ever was because Tar was a gay who was gang-raped - they would forever gossip about him, doubt him, blame him,... He would probably had to move and leave the life he so very slowly and bravely started to build again. In the end, it would be Tar who would suffer the worse fate.
I know that people will argue that someone like Lhong has to be punished by law because otherwise more victims would arise or that it sends the wrong message. It sends a realistic message - that justice can't be always achieved completely or through conventional means. Plus, the sentence for such a crime is several years so he would come out quite soon and nothing would stop him from committing the same crime again. And more importantly, he might not have been 18 at that time so the sentece might have been lower or he might not have gone to jail at all. What people sometime forget is that if Lhong tried to do anything, Type still has the recording of his confession and there is no doubt it serves as a deterrent and an insurance which he wouldn't hesitate to give to the police in such a case. If Lhong got punished by law and came out nothing would hold him back from committing revenge but holding that piece of evidence as a deterrent and making him fear punishment forever has a sound logic to it and might be more beneficial to all the victims involved.
For more proof that Tum and Tar are step brothers, this is a Thai person who read the novels and regularly makes English subtitles for Thai videos:
https://www.facebook.com/LazySubber/posts/sharing-this-again-because-some-people-think-tars-ex-raped-him-its-not-it-was-a-/713205702380217/
This is what she said:
https://i.imgur.com/nyjVJki.jpg