Jong Suk was 12 and mentally ill when what happened, happened. Subsequently, he entered a psychotic, long-term…
I will ask again: What would be accomplished by exposing someone for killing someone else 25 years earlier, when they were 12 and mentally ill? I will state again: The cop who killed Cheolie had BLOCKED his own memory of doing so. He had lived 25 years not "knowing" what he had done, therefore he was not "hiding" anything. He wasn't aware of it.
Exposing him after his death wouldn't bring Cheolie back, it wouldn't satisfy his mother-she already knew about the person who killed him, she just didn't know his name. He is DEAD. He chose to fall to his death with his high school friend, to "go see Cheolie." What more do you want? To piss on his grave?
You sound like a lot of MDLers who use black-and-white reasoning as a destined-to-fail method of dealing with a universe made of a billion shades of gray.
Wow. Very powerful film.BUT...there is such a huge, gaping plot hole, that is so stupid and idiotic and moronic…
Plot hole: In the real world, after ONE night time murder of a woman in the rain, all women and everyone else would have been warned publicly, over and over again, to NEVER go out at night under any circumstances, even if it's not raining, and if you HAVE to do so, have at least one other person with you, preferably a man you trust.
But in this film, after FOUR murders, we STILL had women walking around at night, along dark paths, FUCKING ALONE, for god's sake, more or less waiting to be murdered, but nobody seemed to think this was a problem.
And then, near the end, when the one cop's wife was out walking alone at night, stupidly, and she passed a schoolgirl who was also being a moron, and we saw a male figure was watching both of them, the director had them walk ever-so-slowly, as if in slow motion for his tracking shots from the perspective of the killer, when in reality if they HAD been so dumb as to be doing that, they would have been running to get home or wherever they were headed.
But it seems the police/mayor/regional authorities/NO ONE had put out any kind of warning about this.
Another infuriating element was near the end when the cops chased the little retarded guy onto the train tracks and he was killed. Why weren't they charged with second-degree murder or at least manslaughter? But his death was almost a throw-away.
I get that this is under the military dictatorship and that cops did what they wanted to a large degree, but especially regarding the guy who ended up losing a leg, he was so egregiously awful, sadistic, and just plain dumb, he would have been fired. And yet, even after he beat up the LAST guy they were trying to pin the murders on and subsequently started a fight and tore up a restaurant, there he was after all of that, STILL with a job with the police. Give me a break.
BUT...there is such a huge, gaping plot hole, that is so stupid and idiotic and moronic that there is no way I can overlook it. It's going to take this movie from a rating of 8/10, which is what I would have given it had that hole been fixed, to a 6/10 and I feel I'm being generous at that. I will put the plot hole under a spoiler tag reply to this comment.
I never expected, when I started watching this, that the strongest feeling I'd come away from it with is my hatred for every single cop except the older sergeant. The first two cops were sadistic, lazy, corrupt bastards from the beginning, but even the cop from Seoul turned into a douchebag by the film's end. Why is it so hard to accept you have to PROVE that people are guilty with, you know...evidence and shit like that?
I've had enough interactions with cops here in the U.S. to know that this mentality is not inaccurate. Primarily, they do not hesitate to cut corners, plant evidence, assume the worst of innocent people, on and on...so for me, this film rang very true to real life.
What I like most about this film is that to a great degree, it humanized these bastards enough so that they weren't cardboard cut-out, evil cliches. All except for the one who ends up getting what he deserves in the hospital near the end. No sympathy for that asshole, whatsoever. I also liked the odd, quirky bits of humor that showed up here and there until near the end.
OK, 6/10 due to a massive, stupid plot hole that could have been fixed. Otherwise, it would have been an 8/10. All acting is tremendous.
After that kiss Sahara should be suspended. Even though it wasn't intentional and per the synopsis nothing maybe…
Good god, pull that broom handle out of your ass.
The cops would laugh their own asses off if you made that idiotic call, btw. Toki is well past the age of consent in Japan. If there were to be any problem at all, it would be one of a student/teacher situation, which is an administrative issue, not a legal one. And then there's the fact that the teacher slipped and the kiss was an accident. Christ.
omg, I can't believe that in 2023 psycho, Church Lady prudes like you are still around.
Please don't watch any more of this show unless you remove that broom handle, though I suspect it's rather permanently fixed in place and has been there a very long time.
Wow, what a HUGE breath of delightfully fresh air this show is! It's fluff/cotton candy/unicorns and rainbows as only the Japanese could do it...with just a hint of sexual perv going on. I love this show.
Hachimura Rintaro has the potential to be a major star, and I don't mean just in BL. He is stunningly handsome, exceedingly gifted as an actor, and has charisma/screen presence to spare. We see him here as a thrillingly hilarious comedic actor, but I've no doubt he kills it in dramatic roles as well.
I knew before I saw him in her costume, that Rintaro would be the most beautiful Snow White there ever was. :)
The supporting cast is tremendous also. And so many small details, like having Todo Shinji actually know how to play basketball and make a convincing shot from ten feet, make a great difference in the overall feel of the series.
The plot is racing right along, which is great. We got Toki almost confessing, to him finding out he was going to play Snow White, to the show going on and all the attendant hilarity/drama of that spastic kiss to Toki's reaction, all in one episode. This degree of plot movement would eat up three one-hour episodes of a Thai production of the same story. :)
Can you give a few reasons why you thought it was terrible? I'm geniunely curious because I've seen a million…
Cool. I do hope you enjoy your watch of this show. I have always liked New as an actor. He has a positive, gently charismatic air about him. To me, he just wasn't a good choice for this particular role.
Enjoying this watch a lot, but have to stop at 1:24:00 cause it's so damn late, so will finish tomorrow.
I love this film. The low-key comedic elements sprinkled throughout, against the backdrop of an investigation of brutal rapes/murders, gives it a truly unique atmosphere.
One thing: Once there'd been one or two killings, why in the would ANYONE, let alone women, be out walking anywhere alone at night in the rain? The cops never appeared to issue a public warning about the rain/song/red clothing thing.
I posted high rating for this EP1 but everyone have different opinion. Even ITSAY only have 8.2 rating in MDL...…
It's telling that you equate having rudimentary standards with having a "stick up" one's ass," which means you have no standards at all. Which is why you like this show.
This stick feels pretty good up my ass, by the way. I think I'll keep it there.
Can you give a few reasons why you thought it was terrible? I'm geniunely curious because I've seen a million…
First off, I liked the J-version at first, but by the time it ended, and it had become clear it was more like a Chinese censored-gay bromance than a BL, it pissed me off. One of the leads, I believe it was the actor who played the manager, wouldn't do any kissing or other normal, physical expressions of affections gay people and everybody else in the world does, so in that respect it was nothing but a cock-tease piece of gay-bait.
How do you credibly present a story, the entire basis of which is that a dude has a magical power because HE HASN'T GOTTEN LAID by the age of 30, without making a pretty big deal of him getting laid when it finally happens, and thus his magic disappears? Answer: You don't credibly do that. And that last kiss-tease with the stars or whatever appearing just before their lips touched was the last straw for me. I hate shows that attempt to make big bucks off the BL craze, but then hire actors and directors who with their refusal to honor gay displays of affection in the same way they would straight ones, shame and insult a huge part of their audiences.
So, I wasn't looking at this Thai version as a comparison to the Japanese one. I was totally open to whatever came along.
I found the acting, especially from Tay and New, to be marginal. New isn't inhabiting the character, he is "playing" the character, and it doesn't come off as a fully realized, individual person. He's playing a "type." The slapstick just isn't good. He's too stiff. Comedy isn't natural to him. Tay has always been the stiffer of the two, but here he's boring. Simply put, he's not a very good actor. He's flat. The entire atmosphere of the show is off-putting to me. All the extras and supporting players overact most of their lines and come off as amateurish. This is an ongoing problem with Thai BLs from the last two years, at least. The whole schtick with New reacting to hearing the thoughts of others feels forced. It's not funny, as it was in the Japanese version. It's goofy/eye-rolling/silly. The office environment doesn't feel like a real office; it feels like a college theater production idea of what a real office feels like. Even New's Auntie was playing a type instead of a person. There is an overarching, low-budget, lazy-direction feel to this series. That's common to Thai BLs because they pump them out so fast and it's a problem here as well. Whereas, many Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese BLs have an authenticity thing going on, which means the cast, director, and crew have created what feels like an actual, realistic universe in which the story takes place, this one feels fake through and through.
I could go on, but that's the gist of why I dropped this.
Also, my taste level and expectations have risen over the last three years since I discovered BL/Asian gay cinema/Asian cinema. Though I never liked garbage like the queer-bait, gay-shaming SOTUS series, with its swirling cameras and weird mannequin poses designed to hide the horrifically shameful sight of two men kissing, I loved many other Thai BLs; both seasons of Love Sick, Make It Right, Love By Chance, Grey Rainbow, TharnType, Together With Me, and others.
But many of those shows had a raunchy, unself-conscious innocence that I haven't seen in a new Thai BL for ages, including this one. Moonlight Chicken was the last watchable one. I don't watch anything just to kill time. If I want to "kill time," something is seriously off with the way I'm living my life. I want shows that engage and challenge me, make me laugh, and yes, even think. All that can happen, even in BLs, as shown by the wildly superior ITSAY and IPYTM, which it's hard to believe came out of the same country as the other 500 bad Thai BLs.
So in a nutshell, the Thai version of Cherry Magic doesn't pass the "is this worth my time?" test. So off to the trash can it goes.
I posted high rating for this EP1 but everyone have different opinion. Even ITSAY only have 8.2 rating in MDL...…
And look who's yapping back to every reply I leave. You're a Chihuahua. Repeating your nonsense back at YOU is deliberate...bro. Not surprised that went over your head, though.
I posted high rating for this EP1 but everyone have different opinion. Even ITSAY only have 8.2 rating in MDL...…
"spreading hate..." Standard comment section BS. I don't "hate" this show. I don't "hate" you. I don't know you.
If you look around here, you'll see hundreds of comments to which I have not responded. Let's see..."spreading hate," "under every comment," etc. Seems to me you've got nothing to say that isn't a gross overstatement or exaggeration meant to misdirect the reader. You've got nothing when it comes to explaining how this show is high quality, so lies and insults are pretty much your only option.
Again, I'll leave as many comments as I please. What's ridiculous is that you can't bring yourself to simply not respond to me.
Look, just express your opinion in one comment and go. It's not that hard.
hmmm...what about my "shit" is "white?" Do you mean that as a reference to the color of my skin? If so, how is that relevant? Sincerely, I'd like to know what you intended with this statement.
My guess is the makers of Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese BLs began trying to emulate what the Thai BL industry has been doing because whether I like them or not, a LOT of people do like those awful shows Thailand pump out twice to three times a week. And in doing so, the Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese BLs began to drop in quality.
It's been frustrating to get excited about the BLs coming out of those countries because Thailand gives me nothing, but then watch the quality of those shows plummet.
Are you watching the Japanese BL "Sahara Sensei to Toki-kun?" It is unique, different, and very funny.
No. I watch all kinds of movies, from gay-themed to crime/thriller to dark/twisted/psycho to sports to comedies to science fiction and horror, all depends on the quality. Most of my faves are Korean.
When it comes to romance/drama I definitely prefer gay stories, but I've watched every damn BL and gay-themed film out there. I don't like 99% of what Thailand produces, BL-wise, so that leaves me without an ongoing BL series most of the time.
I enjoyed a lot of early Thai BLs, but the last three years or so they've been terrible. Moonlight Chicken was the last one I liked.
Exposing him after his death wouldn't bring Cheolie back, it wouldn't satisfy his mother-she already knew about the person who killed him, she just didn't know his name. He is DEAD. He chose to fall to his death with his high school friend, to "go see Cheolie." What more do you want? To piss on his grave?
You sound like a lot of MDLers who use black-and-white reasoning as a destined-to-fail method of dealing with a universe made of a billion shades of gray.
But in this film, after FOUR murders, we STILL had women walking around at night, along dark paths, FUCKING ALONE, for god's sake, more or less waiting to be murdered, but nobody seemed to think this was a problem.
And then, near the end, when the one cop's wife was out walking alone at night, stupidly, and she passed a schoolgirl who was also being a moron, and we saw a male figure was watching both of them, the director had them walk ever-so-slowly, as if in slow motion for his tracking shots from the perspective of the killer, when in reality if they HAD been so dumb as to be doing that, they would have been running to get home or wherever they were headed.
But it seems the police/mayor/regional authorities/NO ONE had put out any kind of warning about this.
Another infuriating element was near the end when the cops chased the little retarded guy onto the train tracks and he was killed. Why weren't they charged with second-degree murder or at least manslaughter? But his death was almost a throw-away.
I get that this is under the military dictatorship and that cops did what they wanted to a large degree, but especially regarding the guy who ended up losing a leg, he was so egregiously awful, sadistic, and just plain dumb, he would have been fired. And yet, even after he beat up the LAST guy they were trying to pin the murders on and subsequently started a fight and tore up a restaurant, there he was after all of that, STILL with a job with the police. Give me a break.
BUT...there is such a huge, gaping plot hole, that is so stupid and idiotic and moronic that there is no way I can overlook it. It's going to take this movie from a rating of 8/10, which is what I would have given it had that hole been fixed, to a 6/10 and I feel I'm being generous at that. I will put the plot hole under a spoiler tag reply to this comment.
I never expected, when I started watching this, that the strongest feeling I'd come away from it with is my hatred for every single cop except the older sergeant. The first two cops were sadistic, lazy, corrupt bastards from the beginning, but even the cop from Seoul turned into a douchebag by the film's end. Why is it so hard to accept you have to PROVE that people are guilty with, you know...evidence and shit like that?
I've had enough interactions with cops here in the U.S. to know that this mentality is not inaccurate. Primarily, they do not hesitate to cut corners, plant evidence, assume the worst of innocent people, on and on...so for me, this film rang very true to real life.
What I like most about this film is that to a great degree, it humanized these bastards enough so that they weren't cardboard cut-out, evil cliches. All except for the one who ends up getting what he deserves in the hospital near the end. No sympathy for that asshole, whatsoever. I also liked the odd, quirky bits of humor that showed up here and there until near the end.
OK, 6/10 due to a massive, stupid plot hole that could have been fixed. Otherwise, it would have been an 8/10. All acting is tremendous.
The cops would laugh their own asses off if you made that idiotic call, btw. Toki is well past the age of consent in Japan. If there were to be any problem at all, it would be one of a student/teacher situation, which is an administrative issue, not a legal one. And then there's the fact that the teacher slipped and the kiss was an accident. Christ.
omg, I can't believe that in 2023 psycho, Church Lady prudes like you are still around.
Please don't watch any more of this show unless you remove that broom handle, though I suspect it's rather permanently fixed in place and has been there a very long time.
Hachimura Rintaro has the potential to be a major star, and I don't mean just in BL. He is stunningly handsome, exceedingly gifted as an actor, and has charisma/screen presence to spare. We see him here as a thrillingly hilarious comedic actor, but I've no doubt he kills it in dramatic roles as well.
I knew before I saw him in her costume, that Rintaro would be the most beautiful Snow White there ever was. :)
The supporting cast is tremendous also. And so many small details, like having Todo Shinji actually know how to play basketball and make a convincing shot from ten feet, make a great difference in the overall feel of the series.
The plot is racing right along, which is great. We got Toki almost confessing, to him finding out he was going to play Snow White, to the show going on and all the attendant hilarity/drama of that spastic kiss to Toki's reaction, all in one episode. This degree of plot movement would eat up three one-hour episodes of a Thai production of the same story. :)
Bravo! Can't wait for next Friday.
https://kisskh.at/list/3rWQjk74
I have always liked New as an actor. He has a positive, gently charismatic air about him. To me, he just wasn't a good choice for this particular role.
I love this film. The low-key comedic elements sprinkled throughout, against the backdrop of an investigation of brutal rapes/murders, gives it a truly unique atmosphere.
One thing: Once there'd been one or two killings, why in the would ANYONE, let alone women, be out walking anywhere alone at night in the rain? The cops never appeared to issue a public warning about the rain/song/red clothing thing.
This stick feels pretty good up my ass, by the way. I think I'll keep it there.
Have a great day!
How do you credibly present a story, the entire basis of which is that a dude has a magical power because HE HASN'T GOTTEN LAID by the age of 30, without making a pretty big deal of him getting laid when it finally happens, and thus his magic disappears? Answer: You don't credibly do that. And that last kiss-tease with the stars or whatever appearing just before their lips touched was the last straw for me. I hate shows that attempt to make big bucks off the BL craze, but then hire actors and directors who with their refusal to honor gay displays of affection in the same way they would straight ones, shame and insult a huge part of their audiences.
So, I wasn't looking at this Thai version as a comparison to the Japanese one. I was totally open to whatever came along.
I found the acting, especially from Tay and New, to be marginal.
New isn't inhabiting the character, he is "playing" the character, and it doesn't come off as a fully realized, individual person. He's playing a "type."
The slapstick just isn't good. He's too stiff. Comedy isn't natural to him.
Tay has always been the stiffer of the two, but here he's boring. Simply put, he's not a very good actor. He's flat.
The entire atmosphere of the show is off-putting to me. All the extras and supporting players overact most of their lines and come off as amateurish. This is an ongoing problem with Thai BLs from the last two years, at least.
The whole schtick with New reacting to hearing the thoughts of others feels forced. It's not funny, as it was in the Japanese version. It's goofy/eye-rolling/silly.
The office environment doesn't feel like a real office; it feels like a college theater production idea of what a real office feels like.
Even New's Auntie was playing a type instead of a person.
There is an overarching, low-budget, lazy-direction feel to this series. That's common to Thai BLs because they pump them out so fast and it's a problem here as well.
Whereas, many Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese BLs have an authenticity thing going on, which means the cast, director, and crew have created what feels like an actual, realistic universe in which the story takes place, this one feels fake through and through.
I could go on, but that's the gist of why I dropped this.
Also, my taste level and expectations have risen over the last three years since I discovered BL/Asian gay cinema/Asian cinema. Though I never liked garbage like the queer-bait, gay-shaming SOTUS series, with its swirling cameras and weird mannequin poses designed to hide the horrifically shameful sight of two men kissing, I loved many other Thai BLs; both seasons of Love Sick, Make It Right, Love By Chance, Grey Rainbow, TharnType, Together With Me, and others.
But many of those shows had a raunchy, unself-conscious innocence that I haven't seen in a new Thai BL for ages, including this one. Moonlight Chicken was the last watchable one. I don't watch anything just to kill time. If I want to "kill time," something is seriously off with the way I'm living my life. I want shows that engage and challenge me, make me laugh, and yes, even think. All that can happen, even in BLs, as shown by the wildly superior ITSAY and IPYTM, which it's hard to believe came out of the same country as the other 500 bad Thai BLs.
So in a nutshell, the Thai version of Cherry Magic doesn't pass the "is this worth my time?" test. So off to the trash can it goes.
Repeating your nonsense back at YOU is deliberate...bro.
Not surprised that went over your head, though.
Says the commenter who just wasted more of ITS time and gave it to this peasant. lol Cause anyone who disagrees with you is a "peasant."
Freak.
If you look around here, you'll see hundreds of comments to which I have not responded. Let's see..."spreading hate," "under every comment," etc. Seems to me you've got nothing to say that isn't a gross overstatement or exaggeration meant to misdirect the reader. You've got nothing when it comes to explaining how this show is high quality, so lies and insults are pretty much your only option.
Again, I'll leave as many comments as I please. What's ridiculous is that you can't bring yourself to simply not respond to me.
Look, just express your opinion in one comment and go. It's not that hard.
Do you mean that as a reference to the color of my skin? If so, how is that relevant? Sincerely, I'd like to know what you intended with this statement.
It's been frustrating to get excited about the BLs coming out of those countries because Thailand gives me nothing, but then watch the quality of those shows plummet.
Are you watching the Japanese BL "Sahara Sensei to Toki-kun?" It is unique, different, and very funny.
When it comes to romance/drama I definitely prefer gay stories, but I've watched every damn BL and gay-themed film out there. I don't like 99% of what Thailand produces, BL-wise, so that leaves me without an ongoing BL series most of the time.
I enjoyed a lot of early Thai BLs, but the last three years or so they've been terrible. Moonlight Chicken was the last one I liked.