The current generation seemns to find all physical contact trangressive.Teens kissing is problemmatic only if…
No, I'm not a victim. You don't get to decide that for me, so stuff your presumptuous judgmentalism and your alligator tears where it hurts.
You are EXACTLY the type of person I described above who wants to FORCE people to feel victimized, shamed, abused and traumatized after an experience like mine when nothing could be further from the truth. Luckily, your opinion means nothing to me.
Tell me: Is a two year-old "child" in the same category to you as a 13 year-old "child?" What about a newborn "child" and a 15 year-old "child?" All the same to you?
I first saw this film two and a half years ago somewhere online. It stuck with me and I've been wanting to watch it a second time for at least a year but couldn't find it anywhere. Tonight I did find it, and now I remember why it haunted me so. I have some questions, wish there was someone here to chat about the flick with.
Sid Lucero is as epic in this role as he is beautiful to look at. Emilio Garcia is his equal in the acting department and their chemistry is powerful to behold.
Not a joyful movie but to me an impactful one well worth watching. I will watch it a third time someday in the future.
The current generation seemns to find all physical contact trangressive.Teens kissing is problemmatic only if…
I'm not worried about fictional depictions of underage sex. lol They're FICTIONAL.
OK, well, I think people who are 15 and 25 who want to have sex are going to go right ahead and do so regardless of what the government says about it.
"Minors don't have the experience and perspective that adults have and are..." As I said there are plenty of moronic adults and mature 15 year olds. Arbitrary numbers pulled from the air by sex-phobic politicians are BS. And American society's increasingly demented demand that anyone who has sex under the age of 16 or 18 or whatever should be severely traumatized for life by it certainly causes far more harm than it prevents.
I had a consensual experience at 13 with a doctor likely around 40 years of age. One of the hottest sex memories of my life and I never regretted it for a minute. Never thought about it much, actually. Nowadays, if anyone found out, I'd be berated into pretending to feel shame and violation surrounding that experience and the 40 year-old would go to jail. For what? To me, a deeply positive part of the experience was knowing for sure I was not alone. Who else was offering that to me as I grew up gay/closeted/hating myself in 1970s Kansas? No one. lol
As I said, if someone has been forced, coerced, blackmailed, abused into having sex against their will we have laws against rape/sexual assault that cover that sort of thing. Statutory rape laws are panty-sniffer statutes for people far too focused on what other people are doing with their genitals. You disagree. That's fine.
Oh my god, save me from self-righteous Americans... Like, as if America is a utopia of tolerance for addicts...…
Alternatively, save the rest of us from YOUR self-righteousness.
You don't make clear where you reside but wherever it is the view from the altar you're standing on must be stunning.
Maggi64 SPECIFICALLY made it clear she is talking about CELEBRITIES/ARTISTS and how they are treated by the press and society when revealed to have a drug problem, NOT to all drug users everywhere in America all at once. If the situation is admitted to, treated and dealt with, the celeb will definitely, generally not be morally judged in the press and MANY drug/alcohol addicts have returned to successful careers in America:
Robert Downey Junior Nicholas Cage Elizabeth Taylor Drew Barrymore Winona Ryder Britney Spears Rob Lowe Eminem Christian Slater Willy Nelsen Alanis Morisette Billy Joel Brad Pitt Bradley Cooper Bruce Springsteen Elton John Eric Clapton Gwyneth Paltrow Daniel Radcliffe Dax Shepard Demi Lovato Drew Barrymore Dwayne Johnson Elton John Eminem Eric Clapton Gerard Butler J. K. Rowling Jada Pinkett Smith Jamie Lee Curtis Jim Carrey Josh Brolin Kat Von D Kate Moss Katy Perry Kirsten Dunst Kristen Bell Kristin Davis Lady Gaga Lindsay Lohan Macaulay Culkin Macklemore Matthew Perry Mel Gibson Nicole Richie Paula Abdul Russell Brand Sheryl Crow Stephen King Steven Tyler Tim McGraw Travis Barker Wayne Brady Zac Efron Gerard Butler Jamie Lee Curtis Jim Carrey Josh Brolin Kate Moss
The U.S. is, in many ways, a deeply messed-up place but when it comes to how entertainers who have booze and drug problems are treated the public is extremely forgiving and eager to give second, third and fourth chances.
If you're an artist in Korea, good luck getting similar treatment from the press, the "netizens," or the Puritanical, judgmental society at large.
I haven't seen the series yet, so I don't know if it was just a drug-related issue. But in the manga, it happens…
Most annoying in the U.S. though, is the deliberate disinterest in separating "accusations" from proven "convictions" in a court of law. People here LOVE to jump to the conclusion that accusations, especially involving sex, are true when in fact they may very well be false.
Great example: Amber Heard, who attempted to destroy Johnny Depp with her tall tales of abuse but who turned out to be more of an abuser than abused. The jury told her to pound sand and ordered her to pay him $5M for defamation. I love that.
It takes just a little bit of mental work to think to oneself, "OK, well person A says person B did this awful thing but an accusation is not evidence so I'll just cool my jets and decide what I think further down the line, in a court case or after more information comes to light." But most people don't want to make even that little bit of effort, which by the way, our legal system is based on, because it's a lot more fun to screech self-righteously about how evil and bad public figures are.
Being a celeb in the West OR the East is often a blood sport. K-Pop and K-Entertainment, with its long list of artist suicides in Korea, doesn't slow down these people at all. They're on to casting aspersions on the next one they've got their sites fixed on for smoking a joint or, god forbid, dating someone. And forget being gay even though I'd guess 80% of K-Pop male performers are gay, it's the end of your career. It's no surprise people kill themselves. They desperately want into the game but once they get there and discover it's a hell-hole, it's too late.
I'm pulling big-time for Yoo Ah In. He needs to get out of Korea.
The current generation seemns to find all physical contact trangressive.Teens kissing is problemmatic only if…
Agree with all you said except the second sentence.
Is a 16 year-old kissing/boinking a 19 year-old "problematic?" And what do you mean exactly when you say "problematic?" Is it so only IRL or also if it's a fictional representation of such? Because 16 year-olds willingly kiss older people every day and I don't see many of those kisses as "problematic" at all. Unless someone's being physically forced, blackmailed, deliberately abused, etc. I generally think of it as none of my business. I know very mature 16 year-olds and several extremely immature 25 year-olds. These arbitrary number-thresholds are silly.
But the main problem in this thread and many others is that certain MDLers see two actors IMPLYING through ACTING OUT that they are having sex as the same thing as you know, having sex. It's absurd.
The biggest problem in the world is people of various ages KILLING each other, not KISSING each other. But you'll never see these weirdos in comments whining about portrayals of murder in live-action, fictional storytelling.
lol It's called "acting." Nothing even the tiniest bit explicit was shown. You saw two 15 year-old TEENAGERS exchange…
Do you know if two teens below the age of 16 can consent to do it with each other? If not, then that's silly. No stupid, interfering law is going to stop horny teens from boffing each other.
I’ve read the manga it’s based on and that’s not why Kazuma cried. Don’t read if you don’t want to know.He…
Did you know that a Manga is NOT a script for the live-action adaptation? It is a SOURCE and anything about it can be changed as the story is retold.
Why would Kazuma cry over "taking" Ren's first time? Ren is no innocent. He was headed for the hotel with another dude. I like my interpretation better than yours. :D
It's mostly just you. Teenagers have been having sex for thousands of years.
Thing is, those messy human activities are what make for great drama. If everything was ironed out and perfect in the relationship, there would be no dramatic tension and nowhere to go with the story. My take on the crying was that he was deeply moved by the experience of having sex with Ren, with whom he is clearly in love. He wasn't crying out of regret, he was crying out of the intensity of what just happened between them which was a beautiful thing for him.
lol It's called "acting." Nothing even the tiniest bit explicit was shown. You saw two 15 year-old TEENAGERS exchange…
The age of consent in Japan is 13. Google is your friend. Most U.S. states have 16 as the age of consent.
Thing is, none of that matters. This is a fictional story and the actors are doing a thing called "acting." They did NOT have sex IRL, on the set. You know this, yes? It is not against the law to PRETEND that two twelve year-olds had sex, if that were in the script. It is against the law for them to ACTUALLY have sex, which they did not, nor was anything the least bit graphic shown.
What exactly do you respect? These struggling actors probably need the cash or being sold by their parents. Do…
What did they do that has you in knots? They kissed and hugged and ACTED. Get over it. It's fictional story-telling and the fact you're beside yourself with outrage at what the acting/directing caused you to imagine in your head is clear evidence the actors and director did a great job.
This is the first time I am watching Young Jteens in scene like that. It has never happened before, and it is…
LOTS of things that happen IRL are a small drop in the pond of life. That's part of what makes them so interesting. Who wants to see only scenarios that are extremely common and thus boring.
However, it is important to note that you actually SAW very little. You saw two teens kiss and pretend to be in a sexual situation. Nothing the least bit explicit was shown. You made the rest up in your head, as intended.
Since you're so "upset" by this show, I assume you will stop watching, yes?
japan's age of consent really needs to go up, cause that was weird as hell. Disturbing even. No need to literally…
How was two teens having sex "weird?" How was it "disturbing?" NOTHING was "literally" shown. You saw NO ONE having sex. You saw two actors acting. The rest you made up in your head, as you were intended to do. A visual reference to something as important to the plot as you are talking about is far more impactful than just talking about it in the aftermath.
If you can't handle where this show is going, don't watch.
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You are EXACTLY the type of person I described above who wants to FORCE people to feel victimized, shamed, abused and traumatized after an experience like mine when nothing could be further from the truth. Luckily, your opinion means nothing to me.
Tell me: Is a two year-old "child" in the same category to you as a 13 year-old "child?" What about a newborn "child" and a 15 year-old "child?" All the same to you?
Sid Lucero is as epic in this role as he is beautiful to look at. Emilio Garcia is his equal in the acting department and their chemistry is powerful to behold.
Not a joyful movie but to me an impactful one well worth watching. I will watch it a third time someday in the future.
9/10
Below is a link to where I found it online:
OK, well, I think people who are 15 and 25 who want to have sex are going to go right ahead and do so regardless of what the government says about it.
"Minors don't have the experience and perspective that adults have and are..." As I said there are plenty of moronic adults and mature 15 year olds. Arbitrary numbers pulled from the air by sex-phobic politicians are BS. And American society's increasingly demented demand that anyone who has sex under the age of 16 or 18 or whatever should be severely traumatized for life by it certainly causes far more harm than it prevents.
I had a consensual experience at 13 with a doctor likely around 40 years of age. One of the hottest sex memories of my life and I never regretted it for a minute. Never thought about it much, actually. Nowadays, if anyone found out, I'd be berated into pretending to feel shame and violation surrounding that experience and the 40 year-old would go to jail. For what? To me, a deeply positive part of the experience was knowing for sure I was not alone. Who else was offering that to me as I grew up gay/closeted/hating myself in 1970s Kansas? No one. lol
As I said, if someone has been forced, coerced, blackmailed, abused into having sex against their will we have laws against rape/sexual assault that cover that sort of thing. Statutory rape laws are panty-sniffer statutes for people far too focused on what other people are doing with their genitals. You disagree. That's fine.
You don't make clear where you reside but wherever it is the view from the altar you're standing on must be stunning.
Maggi64 SPECIFICALLY made it clear she is talking about CELEBRITIES/ARTISTS and how they are treated by the press and society when revealed to have a drug problem, NOT to all drug users everywhere in America all at once. If the situation is admitted to, treated and dealt with, the celeb will definitely, generally not be morally judged in the press and MANY drug/alcohol addicts have returned to successful careers in America:
Robert Downey Junior
Nicholas Cage
Elizabeth Taylor
Drew Barrymore
Winona Ryder
Britney Spears
Rob Lowe
Eminem
Christian Slater
Willy Nelsen
Alanis Morisette
Billy Joel
Brad Pitt
Bradley Cooper
Bruce Springsteen
Elton John
Eric Clapton
Gwyneth Paltrow
Daniel Radcliffe
Dax Shepard
Demi Lovato
Drew Barrymore
Dwayne Johnson
Elton John
Eminem
Eric Clapton
Gerard Butler
J. K. Rowling
Jada Pinkett Smith
Jamie Lee Curtis
Jim Carrey
Josh Brolin
Kat Von D
Kate Moss
Katy Perry
Kirsten Dunst
Kristen Bell
Kristin Davis
Lady Gaga
Lindsay Lohan
Macaulay Culkin
Macklemore
Matthew Perry
Mel Gibson
Nicole Richie
Paula Abdul
Russell Brand
Sheryl Crow
Stephen King
Steven Tyler
Tim McGraw
Travis Barker
Wayne Brady
Zac Efron
Gerard Butler
Jamie Lee Curtis
Jim Carrey
Josh Brolin
Kate Moss
The U.S. is, in many ways, a deeply messed-up place but when it comes to how entertainers who have booze and drug problems are treated the public is extremely forgiving and eager to give second, third and fourth chances.
If you're an artist in Korea, good luck getting similar treatment from the press, the "netizens," or the Puritanical, judgmental society at large.
Great example: Amber Heard, who attempted to destroy Johnny Depp with her tall tales of abuse but who turned out to be more of an abuser than abused. The jury told her to pound sand and ordered her to pay him $5M for defamation. I love that.
It takes just a little bit of mental work to think to oneself, "OK, well person A says person B did this awful thing but an accusation is not evidence so I'll just cool my jets and decide what I think further down the line, in a court case or after more information comes to light." But most people don't want to make even that little bit of effort, which by the way, our legal system is based on, because it's a lot more fun to screech self-righteously about how evil and bad public figures are.
Being a celeb in the West OR the East is often a blood sport. K-Pop and K-Entertainment, with its long list of artist suicides in Korea, doesn't slow down these people at all. They're on to casting aspersions on the next one they've got their sites fixed on for smoking a joint or, god forbid, dating someone. And forget being gay even though I'd guess 80% of K-Pop male performers are gay, it's the end of your career. It's no surprise people kill themselves. They desperately want into the game but once they get there and discover it's a hell-hole, it's too late.
I'm pulling big-time for Yoo Ah In. He needs to get out of Korea.
Is a 16 year-old kissing/boinking a 19 year-old "problematic?" And what do you mean exactly when you say "problematic?" Is it so only IRL or also if it's a fictional representation of such? Because 16 year-olds willingly kiss older people every day and I don't see many of those kisses as "problematic" at all. Unless someone's being physically forced, blackmailed, deliberately abused, etc. I generally think of it as none of my business. I know very mature 16 year-olds and several extremely immature 25 year-olds. These arbitrary number-thresholds are silly.
But the main problem in this thread and many others is that certain MDLers see two actors IMPLYING through ACTING OUT that they are having sex as the same thing as you know, having sex. It's absurd.
The biggest problem in the world is people of various ages KILLING each other, not KISSING each other. But you'll never see these weirdos in comments whining about portrayals of murder in live-action, fictional storytelling.
Why would Kazuma cry over "taking" Ren's first time? Ren is no innocent. He was headed for the hotel with another dude. I like my interpretation better than yours. :D
They are ACTORS.
Actors PRETEND to do lots of stuff that's not actually happening.
Most U.S. states have 16 as the age of consent.
Thing is, none of that matters. This is a fictional story and the actors are doing a thing called "acting." They did NOT have sex IRL, on the set. You know this, yes? It is not against the law to PRETEND that two twelve year-olds had sex, if that were in the script. It is against the law for them to ACTUALLY have sex, which they did not, nor was anything the least bit graphic shown.
Good Lord.
Stop watching.
However, it is important to note that you actually SAW very little. You saw two teens kiss and pretend to be in a sexual situation. Nothing the least bit explicit was shown. You made the rest up in your head, as intended.
Since you're so "upset" by this show, I assume you will stop watching, yes?
If you can't handle where this show is going, don't watch.