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IMO, I think ep. 5 was what this wreck needed., a life preserver! Lmao!

Up until Ep. 5, I was in total agreement with you. The series WAS a trainwreck. However, with Ep. 5, maybe (just maybe now), there might be some light at the end of this dark tunnel. I'm now intrigued to see where it goes (especially with the Tul/Hin/Tin saga).

Okay! For someone who doesn't really care for reboots, Ep. 5 was pretty darn good, with the exception of the Kla/No sick story (I skipped through it). But, as for Tin/Can, their "new" characters now seem in line with this rebooted story. I liked Tin's crying scene and how he turned to Can for comfort. We finally get to know a little more history about Tin and his older brother and the reason for their lifelong feud. I agree with BriBri123. This Ep. should have been a lot sooner in this series.

I agree!

Well, you're right on your points. The relationship was slow. But, I think that was because in Sotus, it was a secondary to the hazing storyline, as well as Arthit and Kong not really knowing what was happening between them. But, you're still right -- they could've moved it along at a little faster pace. Now, I'm totally with you on Sotus S, which I didn't care for at all for numerous reasons. The main one being exactly what you stated, "Arthit's don't touch me, kiss me" behavior. Especially, since by then they had supposedly been in a relationship for over 2 years. Also, we didn't get any family dynamics in Sotus S either. What! Neither told their families??? All of their friends knew. Hmmmm!

I'm sorry BLBoy. I just saw your response today. Well, IMO, Sotus had, unlike so many othe BLs, a definite main plot (the hazing system) and a side plot of the developing relationship of Arthit and Kong. Thereby, the word "S.O.T.U.S." having a dual meaning for the show. AND, with the exception of one line of dialogue, it didn't focus on any of the major stereotypes or tropes normally associated with BLs. IMO, that is what made the series great.

Awww! Thanks! I will. You do the same.

You're right. I also like some of the story. I'll just have to put my memory of S1 aside and enjoy the show. But, they do need to move the story along. I'm really intrigued about Tul/Hin. As you allude to, it might just be the surprise storyline.

Excellently put sony_t! Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Totally agree!

Actually, Kengkla did NOT acknowledge that he did anything wrong! He asked what he could do for "forgiveness." He NEVER actually apologized or even attempted to say he was sorry for what he did. That's completely different. AND, they could've redone that whole scene if they wanted to. But, they didn't. Oh well.

Wow! All the varied comments! I'm not sure I agree or disagree with any of them. BUT, they're all interesting, for sure!
For my part in this whole discussion, I've stated before that I'm not a big fan of "redos." (especially, when they're redoing parts of the original story and not redoing it all). Like many of the comments posted, I totally agree that it's too confusing, messy, and lacking cohesion.
Furthermore, we're expected to forget important parts of S1 that existed (the redone parts anyway), and expected to just accept the character and story changes (without any explanation). WOW! The producers, writer, and director really missed the mark here, IMO.
I don't think the changes would've been so bad, had the production company gave just a little more explanation as to what is currently happening. As one poster commented, they could've used a little creativity and come with something better than what we've gotten so far. Now, as for those who like the changes better, great! None of us should be "haters" of those who actually like the changes. However, those of us who don't like the changes, feel "cheated" (at least I do) for what we believed could've have been a much better series, worthy of a S2.
Now, back to commenting specifically on episode 4. Interesting! If I hadn't seen S1, I probably could've and would've accepted thess scenes a great deal more. I liked the inclusion of the Tul/Hin story line. It could possibly shed some light on why Tul's so hateful towards his younger brother (i.e., older brother forced to marry, have kids, etc. and hide the fact that he's gay scenario). I could even see how Tin's character could be "softer, kinder, etc.," while Can's character is little more "inviting" to Tin's advances. But, there was a S1, and we DID already see these characters already established. I would love to wipe my memory clean and start over. But, I'm unwilling, because to do so would be ignoring those parts of S1 that I actually found enjoyable to watch (even if they were sad at times).
But, the part I'm NOT willing to "let slide" is the Kengkla/Techno plot line. I'm sorry, this is just wrong on sooo many levels. Not once in that ep. did you here Kengkla say "I'M SORRY!" But, yet, he is wanting Techno to forgive him! AND, to make matters worse, his OWN BROTHER knew about it and probably allowed his brother to be RAPED! I think this makes Technic worse than Tul. But, more importantly, this is a SICK story plot, for sure. The rest of you can continue to watch that sickness. But, for me, NOPE! I won't give credence to that kind of sickness, not even in a BL drama. I'll simply skip over those scenes entirely. Sometimes it's good to vary from the novel.

Very good point!

Yeah, I agree. Wasn't the best, but not the worst either. It might have done better as even a "more mini series." Maybe, just 2 or 3 eps, or even 1 like they did in ReminderS and Skyy. Sometimes, lesser is better! lmao!

P.S. Also in agreement with My Day. Wow! It really sucks! Too many tropes, stereotypes, and useless exaggerations..

Totally agree! The final episode, IMO, was probably better than the whole last 4 eps of S1 and the first 4 eps of this "S1+." A little intimacy, a little bit of a story plot and a little connection of the characters is all it takes to make a decent ep.

Wow! What an interesting post! You made a great deal of sense, especially about making the story work with the creativity of the writers (and director). However, I would slightly disagree with one little thing, Can. IMO, Can's character was a little "off" as well. His character was no where as "timid" as he is portrayed in these early episodes. And, I think that Can's character was at times the comic relief the series needed. I don't see that in these first two eps. But, everything else, I totally agree!

You may be somewhat right about the actual incident. Although Techno's first words out his mouth the morning after were "my b*tt, my b*tt, and Kengkla telling him that they "did it." I agree you about the non-com fantasy issue. But, IMO sexual assault of any type (especially towards someone incapacitated) is just so wrong on many levels. And you're right about its prevalence. And, I think you may have seen my comment about the sexual assault of Type by Tharn (and fans dismissing it and giving Tharn a pass). I believe this is one of the reasons its still so prevalent -- let the couple be "cute, attractive, or adorable" and the sexual assault in okay. I'm just smh!!!

Yeah. I thought it was just so wrong on many levels. That pushed some of the advances that Thai BL's have made back at least the (5) years I mentioned.

Yep! You're right on that one!

And P.S. Don't forget that Tharn sexually assaulted Type, too! But, many fans just blew that off and gave Tharn a pass. WRONG!