I, too still like the series. But, I don't like the way the series has been going since Wat and Tine officially got together. It seems their relationship is becoming just silly and tropish. Now, Tine is going through the jealousy stereotypes. Wat appears to be only out for sex from Tine. And Tine, previously "Mr. Chic," is now going through such emotional ups and downs that would make a person with bipolar depression look sane. Where is the confidence first shown in his character during the first episodes. Granted, falling in love can cause emotional changes, sometimes even to extreme. But really, this is a bit much. I never thought that I'd say this. But, I'm now starting to get bored with this series and waiting for the last episodes to come and go. I strongly hope the ending episodes are much better than these last 3 or 4.
I took the general advice and only watched eps 1-9 and then read the alternate ending instead of watching ep 10,…
Eps 11 - 20 isn't that bad. As indicated in the posts, Yu Xi Gu meets an untimely end in eps 19-20, which changed the whole dynamic of the series. I personally don't think it was necessary to make such a dramatic change in this series, as well as in the rest of the HIStory series. All the previous HIStory series had appropriate endings, most were happy, and a couple was okay. None were as tragic and out of kilter as this one. The producers of these series seemed to show LGBTQ+ relationships in a positive way without the expected stereotypes and tropes constantly found in the BL genre. THe series always gave hope at the end that the leads in the series would be alright, until MODC. Yes, Yu Xi Gu is bullied because he' smart. Yes, Yu Xi Gu looks anorexic. Yes, Xiang Hao Ting and Sun Bo are jerks. And, yes you want to see the bullies get their just desserts in the end. But, if you really watch the first 10 eps, you gradually see the transformations of all the characters leads and secondaries. You find that Yu Xi Gu actually does have a few friends among his bullies. You find that Xiang Hao Ting does actually have heart down deep inside. And you see how enemies can actually become friends and even more when you get past the surface. Everything previously mentioned was the saving grace of the series. Then the show, instead of following the shows of the previous HIStory series, chose to have the ending that it did. That was unfortunate, because the show was destined to make milestones, had the producers and directors simply had the courage.
Although Tine went from being Mr. Chic to Mr. Weak over the course of two episodes I don’t see anyone saying…
I'm unsure if you were referring to my post??? If so, I apologize. I was merely making a point that the series was drifting down the stereotypical trail by changing Tine's character by having him take on more feminine characteristics and behaviors (without any history or reason for the sudden changes). And, my comment about the "bottoming" issue was not to speak for the LGBTQ+ community on this issue, but to expose a common trope/stereotype in many of these BLs. Therefore, I totally agree with you that everyone should just enjoy the series and stop the stereotypes. BTW my younger brother is gay, and he's educated our family on many things we did not know about the LGBTQ+ community.
My interpretation was that Bohn wanted sweet, nice Duen back, since Duen has been very confrontational with Bohn…
Actually, I think a lot of us were thinking the same way. I just go without commenting about it. I agree with you. Had he said almost anything else, it probably would've been ok. lol But, then there was the scene in the car a little bit later in the ep. I just think Tri-Creation missed a good chance to make a quality ep vs just another BL with tropes.
Okay, okay. I'm going to have to comment on this most recent episode. Although this series has its flaws, it was…
P.S. Someone reminded me of the scene with Bohn and Duen in the car after Bohn tracked him to where Duen was meeting his cousin. The jealousy thing took hold of Bohn (yet again), when he promised Duen that he wouldn't do it anymore. The way Bohn grabbed Duen, forced him in his car, and pounced on him was NOT cool. This actually does underscore that at times their relationship is toxic, and that Bohn is a real douchebag of a boyfriend. But, yeah, luv will make people do some weird, even sometimes violent things. Although this is typical BL drama, unfortunately, this kind of stuff happens in real-life relationships, too.
I think Duen is perfectly capable of being super sweet and nice to Bohn, cook for him and also top him, just saying…
Good point! Now, was Bohn a virgin? I thought I recalled in an earlier ep where he and the guy at the restaurant "kind of" stalked out guys? Or, am I in error again? lol
My interpretation was that Bohn wanted sweet, nice Duen back, since Duen has been very confrontational with Bohn…
Interesting interpretation. I totally agree with you. I think that Bohn did want the sweet, nice Duen back. Unfortunately, in the scripted dialogue Bohn added that simple little part, "do whatever for me." AND, maybe you're right in that the eng sub translation didn't get the true meaning of what Bohn was saying. If so, I'm very glad to stand corrected. LOL
Okay, okay. I'm going to have to comment on this most recent episode. Although this series has its flaws, it was doing well with teaching good messages about gay relationships (remember the conversation that Mek had with Bohn about "top" or "bottom" not necessarily being what he thought). That was good. It showed a series willing to tackle that age old question in LGBTQ+ relationships. We thought that the character of Bohn was beginning to learn, especially when he and Duen are discussing what Bohn thought had happened the previous night. Bohn stated that he would "accept" whatever happened the previous night because he wanted to be with Duen. He then followed that statement with that they "could discuss their status (referring to top vs bottom) later. I was like OMG! Now, that's how a relationships should be! I thought that the writers and director was finally giving us a little taste of what it's like for a couple to behave better than the just the same old BL trope. Congrats!
AND THEN WE GET TO REST OF THAT SCENE! Bohn then follows up with "can I have the old Duen back, the one who will do whatever for me. I like him." This is then followed with the flashback or flash forward (I'm not really sure which) of Duen, Bohn, and their little brother and sister at the store -- "wanting Mummy and Daddy to go back to the way things were... and DUEN AGREEING TO DO IT!!!" And, in the span of just of a few minutes, the series went from being somewhat sophisticated in the way they treat gay relationships back to the same old hubby/wifey, seme/uke trope as other BLs. What a shame!
But, I still like the series and I have hope that in the last few episodes that it can get a little of that sophistication back. I know, I sometimes daydream too much... LOL
Like so many others, I liked scene 4 where Sarawat is finally telling Tine the truth about how they got together. That was actually cool. Now, as for the rest of the episode (1 - 3), I'm not so sure. The pacing was slow, the romance didn't feel like it was there. The trick P.Dim pulled was just silly (even if it was in the novel). I also don't like the way the series is portraying Tine. It starts out as stating that he's "Mr. Chic," and it seems that he becomes "Mr. Chick." The series increasingly seems to make Tine's character take on more "feminine" characteristics. I know again, that's the old common BL trope, a "straight" guy (who's supposedly into girls) becomes the "wifey" (and seems to always "bottom") for the "gay" guy. Just once, why couldn't it be the other way around in these BL's??? Oh, I forgot, then it might not be as successful a BL drama.... lmao!
BTW my younger brother is gay, and he's educated our family on many things we did not know about the LGBTQ+ community.
AND THEN WE GET TO REST OF THAT SCENE! Bohn then follows up with "can I have the old Duen back, the one who will do whatever for me. I like him." This is then followed with the flashback or flash forward (I'm not really sure which) of Duen, Bohn, and their little brother and sister at the store -- "wanting Mummy and Daddy to go back to the way things were... and DUEN AGREEING TO DO IT!!!" And, in the span of just of a few minutes, the series went from being somewhat sophisticated in the way they treat gay relationships back to the same old hubby/wifey, seme/uke trope as other BLs. What a shame!
But, I still like the series and I have hope that in the last few episodes that it can get a little of that sophistication back. I know, I sometimes daydream too much... LOL
P.S. I still luv this series though!