Nope, for me, RaySand are end story. I think that even Jojo confirmed it along the line. It will be too obvious…
I will say that it does seem extremely predictable. I would be very happy if the show did not go there. Prove me wrong Jojo.
When did Jojo say that? I know Khao did forever ago but it was well before the script was even written so I have to take it with a grain of salt lol. And well. It could still happen and Sand and Ray get together in the end.
I don't want it. If Mew's gonna revenge sleep with anyone it should be Sand (is this just because I want Sand to kiss everyone in the cast? Maybe. Maybe it is)
For me I was suspicious from the beginning because we were shown how each in his friend group had a certain fault..…
I'm sorry but I just fundamentally disagree. It feels like you want Mew to be responsible for Ray and I just don't agree with that and never will. Ray has issues but he is still an adult and he is still responsible for himself.
And as you said it's more complicated than just "my friend has a crush." Ray is also spiraling and suicidal. How is Mew supposed to ditch him knowing that? Even if he isn't carefully managing Ray's feelings the way so many people seem to expect him to, it's gotta be in the back of his mind that Ray is unstable. It would certainly be in the back of mine.
But Mew has drawn the line. It's on Ray to respect it.
For me I was suspicious from the beginning because we were shown how each in his friend group had a certain fault..…
Here I come to defend Top because I can't help myself.
I do think that initially Top pursued Mew because he was a challenge and probably also to piss off Boston, but somewhere along the way I think he developed real feelings. I will think this until the show expressly tells me otherwise.
And to be fair I think Mew was kind of the same. I think initially he allowed Top in for a couple of reasons: 1 - because he was curious, 2 - because he and Boston are locked in a weird passive aggressive pissing contest and he wanted to prove him wrong, and 3 - because as he said, Top made his heart flutter. Generally I think that Mew is the kind of guy who has lived his life through books and watching his friends be stupid and thus he thinks he knows how the game is played, but he he doesn't really. He didn't account for feelings. Neither of them did.
And in my opinion, it's the feelings that screwed everything up. They made them both insecure, to the point that Mew finally decided to sleep with Top because he thought he'd be bored otherwise and Top was manipulated by Boston. And now everything is a hot mess.
For me I was suspicious from the beginning because we were shown how each in his friend group had a certain fault..…
The thing is, Mew has drawn lines with Ray. Over and over again. Ray just isn't listening, and we're gonna see more of that next ep, looks like.
Sorry, but it's not on Mew to manage Ray's feelings for him. Ray likes Mew, Ray knows Mew doesn't like him, he needs to respect that boundary. If he doesn't, that's not on Mew. Thus far Mew has done *nothing* to lead Ray on besides be his friend.
Now I have a feeling that might change as Mew tries to get back at Top, but it hasn't happened yet.
I think it's the crossed fingers in the poster. That's what did it for me. I still don't know why they're crossed...although…
We'll have to see.
I feel like Mew is going to go very off the rails, to the point that when his better self does kick in it'll be too late, he'll have already set events in motion that are going to have more ripples than he could have foreseen.
Kind of like Sand last ep. He acted out of anger and pain, and didn't care who he hurt in the process...until it was too late and he'd accidentally blown up more than he intended in his desire to get at Top.
I feel like it will go much the same way with Mew. Only bigger, probably. I am very curious to see how whatever Mew does ripples outward and what he inadvertently destroys in his need to take revenge on both Top and Boston.
It's just speculation at this point, there's no proof of anything.
Ah. I know he's been teasing a lot on Twitter but I don't have one so I've not actually seen anything. If he shows up as the Dreaded (or not so dreaded, if you're me and want it to be very messy) Ex I will scream with delight.
I mean, I'll be happy if he shows up at all but I want him to be the ex so badly I can taste it.
It's just speculation at this point, there's no proof of anything.
Has that been confirmed? Being on the set != filming.
Like don't get me wrong I want Mix to show up as the ex like nobody's business, but aside from rumor that he was around at the time of filming maybe and him shitposting on twitter / First giving us next to nothing (for once - this is the time the dude wants to clam up? So wrong) there's nothing concrete. I just don't like counting my chickens is all.
Ex hasn't appeared yet and already has such an impact on the story. Him being taken away by Top, as the main reason…
Lol I just want Sand to be more important than I know he is. I know Mew is the main character but well. I like Sand slightly better. :D I'm sure whatever happens will be a ton of fun.
Ex hasn't appeared yet and already has such an impact on the story. Him being taken away by Top, as the main reason…
NO. Mew needs to go after *Sand* to really rub it all in everyone's face.
I don't think that the ex would do much to Top. But Sand, who Top thinks so little of? Now *that* would be good.
I am suspecting they'll use the ex for more MewTop drama though, which is depressing. i want more Sand drama we already have Ray if we want to use a third dude to cause problems with Mew and Top (I know it's Mew's story but hey, I live in hope).
At this point, I have rewatched all episodes and have read most of the comments on here. I would really like to…
I think it's the crossed fingers in the poster. That's what did it for me. I still don't know why they're crossed...although now that I think about it it would be really funny if they were just crossed because he's hoping that his gamble on Top works out (although my mind is still on telling fibs).
Unless we're being manipulated as an audience via the narration I don't think Mew's done anything truly manipulative yet. I refuse to buy into the idea he and Ray slept together and that's literally the only thing that's really been called into question at this point.
So yes. I take back my manipulative Mew agenda. At least, the Mew was manipulating everyone the whole time bit. I think he's gonna dabble a little in being an evil mastermind starting next ep. :D
Apparently this is a hot take, but I find him the least awful of the group. I'm starting to root for him really…
I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about you but myself. *I* am not going to pretend that Top hasn't done anything wrong. I personally don't care if you do. I'll just ignore it the way I try to ignore most things that rub me the wrong way.
I think I hit a nerve with you with my post, which wasn't my intention. I prefer to not think of it as who is "better" than anyone else because it's not fun for me personally to argue over who is the greenest flag or whatever, I hate the concept. I think people in general are way too apt to think in black and white morality as it is, and in a show like this it frustrates me deeply. They're people, every one of them is going to have their good and bad points. Even the ones that we all personally don't resonate with for whatever reason. And pitting them against each other as if it's a race and only one can win just frustrates me to no end.
And sure, I have my characters I don't like. Well, one, actually. And half of it is the way they're excused every little thing they do while people hold every other character to a higher standard. And I'm really really tired of the passive aggressive lecturing about how we need to understand them when they themselves are not trying to understand anyone who isn't nice to that character specifically. But here's the fun part - such is perception that the character I am speaking of probably isn't the one that came to your mind while reading it.
As to your last point, I have been thinking about that lately because I don't think it's as simple as an actor crying prettily (although I DO think that actor bias can play into it. Would what Sand did this episode make people angrier if he wasn't played by First? Would Ray's destruction become less palatable if he weren't played by Khaotung? Is the reason people dislike Top or Mew so much because they didn't like them in previous dramas and have thus decided they can't act? Would people think Nick was a soft smol bean if he weren't being played by Mark? No way to tell). I think it also has to do with the nature of the BL beast - people treat TharnType as a romantic story even when Tharn is SAing Type because that's how it's presented in the show, whereas cheating is almost always presented as an awful thing to do to someone.
I am not a fan of cheating, but I wouldn't be mad at Top myself for the sex, so maybe I'm just wired differently myself. I would blame him for sleeping with my friend though. And I'd blame him for not telling me about it because he knew that I wouldn't like it. I'd blame him for trying to lie about it when confronted. I don't think he's the worst though. Then again I don't think that about any character here, I am more apt to think of it in a "wow I really can't stand this guy" way than a "wow this guy is the most morally corrupt." But then again Boston is one of my faves so maybe that has something to do with it. 😁
Disclaimer: this isn't shots at anyone here, it's just some stuff I've been pondering of late. Honestly I've had a lot worse times here than on this page, and I've been finding a lot of the discussions about this show refreshing and fun. But there are places on the internet that are like wading into a war zone when discussing this show, and this is more a reflection of those spaces than here.
After! Boston is definitely going to come after Nick next ep.
I want everyone kissing everyone, so I totally hope it happens. I doubt that Nick will move on either way, so he should kiss Papang and Sand and Mew and...😂
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When did Jojo say that? I know Khao did forever ago but it was well before the script was even written so I have to take it with a grain of salt lol. And well. It could still happen and Sand and Ray get together in the end.
I don't want it. If Mew's gonna revenge sleep with anyone it should be Sand (is this just because I want Sand to kiss everyone in the cast? Maybe. Maybe it is)
Lately I've seen more people saying that Mew will revenge sleep with Ray to get at Top.
Do you guys think this is likely? I think it's almost a certainty lol (think I've said it here before already too).
If so, what do you think the outcome will be?
I don't agree with it but sometimes you just have to learn the hard way. Guess that's Nick.
(not really I'm sure I'll enjoy it either way but it would be a lot of fun if that's what happened - and if he was after getting Sand back)
And as you said it's more complicated than just "my friend has a crush." Ray is also spiraling and suicidal. How is Mew supposed to ditch him knowing that? Even if he isn't carefully managing Ray's feelings the way so many people seem to expect him to, it's gotta be in the back of his mind that Ray is unstable. It would certainly be in the back of mine.
But Mew has drawn the line. It's on Ray to respect it.
I do think that initially Top pursued Mew because he was a challenge and probably also to piss off Boston, but somewhere along the way I think he developed real feelings. I will think this until the show expressly tells me otherwise.
And to be fair I think Mew was kind of the same. I think initially he allowed Top in for a couple of reasons: 1 - because he was curious, 2 - because he and Boston are locked in a weird passive aggressive pissing contest and he wanted to prove him wrong, and 3 - because as he said, Top made his heart flutter. Generally I think that Mew is the kind of guy who has lived his life through books and watching his friends be stupid and thus he thinks he knows how the game is played, but he he doesn't really. He didn't account for feelings. Neither of them did.
And in my opinion, it's the feelings that screwed everything up. They made them both insecure, to the point that Mew finally decided to sleep with Top because he thought he'd be bored otherwise and Top was manipulated by Boston. And now everything is a hot mess.
Sorry, but it's not on Mew to manage Ray's feelings for him. Ray likes Mew, Ray knows Mew doesn't like him, he needs to respect that boundary. If he doesn't, that's not on Mew. Thus far Mew has done *nothing* to lead Ray on besides be his friend.
Now I have a feeling that might change as Mew tries to get back at Top, but it hasn't happened yet.
I feel like Mew is going to go very off the rails, to the point that when his better self does kick in it'll be too late, he'll have already set events in motion that are going to have more ripples than he could have foreseen.
Kind of like Sand last ep. He acted out of anger and pain, and didn't care who he hurt in the process...until it was too late and he'd accidentally blown up more than he intended in his desire to get at Top.
I feel like it will go much the same way with Mew. Only bigger, probably. I am very curious to see how whatever Mew does ripples outward and what he inadvertently destroys in his need to take revenge on both Top and Boston.
I mean, I'll be happy if he shows up at all but I want him to be the ex so badly I can taste it.
Like don't get me wrong I want Mix to show up as the ex like nobody's business, but aside from rumor that he was around at the time of filming maybe and him shitposting on twitter / First giving us next to nothing (for once - this is the time the dude wants to clam up? So wrong) there's nothing concrete. I just don't like counting my chickens is all.
I don't think that the ex would do much to Top. But Sand, who Top thinks so little of? Now *that* would be good.
I am suspecting they'll use the ex for more MewTop drama though, which is depressing. i want more Sand drama we already have Ray if we want to use a third dude to cause problems with Mew and Top (I know it's Mew's story but hey, I live in hope).
Unless we're being manipulated as an audience via the narration I don't think Mew's done anything truly manipulative yet. I refuse to buy into the idea he and Ray slept together and that's literally the only thing that's really been called into question at this point.
So yes. I take back my manipulative Mew agenda. At least, the Mew was manipulating everyone the whole time bit. I think he's gonna dabble a little in being an evil mastermind starting next ep. :D
I think I hit a nerve with you with my post, which wasn't my intention. I prefer to not think of it as who is "better" than anyone else because it's not fun for me personally to argue over who is the greenest flag or whatever, I hate the concept. I think people in general are way too apt to think in black and white morality as it is, and in a show like this it frustrates me deeply. They're people, every one of them is going to have their good and bad points. Even the ones that we all personally don't resonate with for whatever reason. And pitting them against each other as if it's a race and only one can win just frustrates me to no end.
And sure, I have my characters I don't like. Well, one, actually. And half of it is the way they're excused every little thing they do while people hold every other character to a higher standard. And I'm really really tired of the passive aggressive lecturing about how we need to understand them when they themselves are not trying to understand anyone who isn't nice to that character specifically. But here's the fun part - such is perception that the character I am speaking of probably isn't the one that came to your mind while reading it.
As to your last point, I have been thinking about that lately because I don't think it's as simple as an actor crying prettily (although I DO think that actor bias can play into it. Would what Sand did this episode make people angrier if he wasn't played by First? Would Ray's destruction become less palatable if he weren't played by Khaotung? Is the reason people dislike Top or Mew so much because they didn't like them in previous dramas and have thus decided they can't act? Would people think Nick was a soft smol bean if he weren't being played by Mark? No way to tell). I think it also has to do with the nature of the BL beast - people treat TharnType as a romantic story even when Tharn is SAing Type because that's how it's presented in the show, whereas cheating is almost always presented as an awful thing to do to someone.
I am not a fan of cheating, but I wouldn't be mad at Top myself for the sex, so maybe I'm just wired differently myself. I would blame him for sleeping with my friend though. And I'd blame him for not telling me about it because he knew that I wouldn't like it. I'd blame him for trying to lie about it when confronted. I don't think he's the worst though. Then again I don't think that about any character here, I am more apt to think of it in a "wow I really can't stand this guy" way than a "wow this guy is the most morally corrupt." But then again Boston is one of my faves so maybe that has something to do with it. 😁
Disclaimer: this isn't shots at anyone here, it's just some stuff I've been pondering of late. Honestly I've had a lot worse times here than on this page, and I've been finding a lot of the discussions about this show refreshing and fun. But there are places on the internet that are like wading into a war zone when discussing this show, and this is more a reflection of those spaces than here.